Gender Ratios are so lop-sided? What is going on?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.

Maybe give some thought to the qualities that your culture lauds as being exemplary, or successful. I’m thinking people like Elon Musk, Charlie Kirk, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, DOGE. How many of these wealthy, influential white men finished college? How many of them proudly discuss their college experiences as being foundational in their success? So, I wouldn’t slam you for your viewpoint, although I do encourage you to take a deeper look at who you are openly valuing as role models. What many of you actually value is DOGE: Very young white men — with limited education, lots of power, and extravagantly generous paychecks.

Lol: You do get that you’re claiming “ victimhood” for “white men in particular “ — right? Tell the truth, do you REALLY wish that your “boys” had the opportunities that get offered to people who are not white males? You wish that your kid was a target for ICE?

The only person on that list that I might even consider a worthy role model for a young man would have been Charlie Kirk, primarily for his way of speaking with people who disagreed with him. Do you consider the rest of them people our boys should admire or emulate? That to me is a sign of a sick culture.

Can you provide some examples of this? I have never seen him speak with those who disagreed with him in any way that I would find admirable.

This is a really sad video. “I think you exhibit sinful behavior and you shouldn’t tell people who you are, but WELCOME! Just don’t bring up being gay (Kirk brings up being Christian constantly) and we’ll get along.

That’s not what he said. He said to not lead with your sexuality. Who you sleep with should be the least interesting thing about you.

exactly- no-one straight leads with this as if who you are attracted to is your whole personality. Your romantic/sex life shouldn't be that important part of your identity honestly, human beings have a lot more to their identity than that and the hyper focus on this is bad for people.

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He called him a “complete human being” - which he is. I thought that was a remarkable statement and it seems some need a reminder that their sexuality isn’t their one identity characteristic. It’s one of many.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.

Maybe give some thought to the qualities that your culture lauds as being exemplary, or successful. I’m thinking people like Elon Musk, Charlie Kirk, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, DOGE. How many of these wealthy, influential white men finished college? How many of them proudly discuss their college experiences as being foundational in their success? So, I wouldn’t slam you for your viewpoint, although I do encourage you to take a deeper look at who you are openly valuing as role models. What many of you actually value is DOGE: Very young white men — with limited education, lots of power, and extravagantly generous paychecks.

Lol: You do get that you’re claiming “ victimhood” for “white men in particular “ — right? Tell the truth, do you REALLY wish that your “boys” had the opportunities that get offered to people who are not white males? You wish that your kid was a target for ICE?

The only person on that list that I might even consider a worthy role model for a young man would have been Charlie Kirk, primarily for his way of speaking with people who disagreed with him. Do you consider the rest of them people our boys should admire or emulate? That to me is a sign of a sick culture.

Can you provide some examples of this? I have never seen him speak with those who disagreed with him in any way that I would find admirable.

This is a really sad video. “I think you exhibit sinful behavior and you shouldn’t tell people who you are, but WELCOME! Just don’t bring up being gay (Kirk brings up being Christian constantly) and we’ll get along.

Why are you lying? Did you think no one would call you out? He in NO WAY said any of the bolded. He said he didn’t think *anyone* should lead with what sexuality they are - it’s irrelevant and he pointed out that the young man was a complete person, which he is. Then he said from a Christian perspective, he doesn’t agree with a gay lifestyle, but that in NO way should what we do in the bedroom be a relevant talking point. And then he welcomed him to the conservative movement.

Honestly, why are liberals such liars?

“ Did you think no one would call you out? “
No where did I make it sound like I’m Afraid to or won’t engage with you. Call me out all you wish, that’s the point of the forum format.

As a conservative Christian, Charlie Kirk believes homosexuality is a sin. You gonna argue with me now that Kirk was a United Church of Christ member and doesn’t care at all about people being queer? The young man is asking, because many conservatives have much more extreme beliefs about gay people, and it’d be nice to hear something beyond “don’t talk about your sexuality.”

“ Honestly, why are liberals such liars?”
Why are conservatives so obsessed with the idea that they are the only ones with access to the truth?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.

Maybe give some thought to the qualities that your culture lauds as being exemplary, or successful. I’m thinking people like Elon Musk, Charlie Kirk, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, DOGE. How many of these wealthy, influential white men finished college? How many of them proudly discuss their college experiences as being foundational in their success? So, I wouldn’t slam you for your viewpoint, although I do encourage you to take a deeper look at who you are openly valuing as role models. What many of you actually value is DOGE: Very young white men — with limited education, lots of power, and extravagantly generous paychecks.

Lol: You do get that you’re claiming “ victimhood” for “white men in particular “ — right? Tell the truth, do you REALLY wish that your “boys” had the opportunities that get offered to people who are not white males? You wish that your kid was a target for ICE?

The only person on that list that I might even consider a worthy role model for a young man would have been Charlie Kirk, primarily for his way of speaking with people who disagreed with him. Do you consider the rest of them people our boys should admire or emulate? That to me is a sign of a sick culture.

Can you provide some examples of this? I have never seen him speak with those who disagreed with him in any way that I would find admirable.

This is a really sad video. “I think you exhibit sinful behavior and you shouldn’t tell people who you are, but WELCOME! Just don’t bring up being gay (Kirk brings up being Christian constantly) and we’ll get along.

That’s not what he said. He said to not lead with your sexuality. Who you sleep with should be the least interesting thing about you.

exactly- no-one straight leads with this as if who you are attracted to is your whole personality. Your romantic/sex life shouldn't be that important part of your identity honestly, human beings have a lot more to their identity than that and the hyper focus on this is bad for people.

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He called him a “complete human being” - which he is. I thought that was a remarkable statement and it seems some need a reminder that their sexuality isn’t their one identity characteristic. It’s one of many.

It is beating around the bush that many people think it’s inherently wrong thing to be. We’re literally on a thread where people think men are abandoned because people say negative things about masculinity’ and suddenly you’re confused on why a gay conservative male may need advice when many prominent conservatives are anti-homosexual or have a religious obligation to denounce homosexuality. This isn’t exactly rocket science.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.

I really don’t get it. American society is still very much ruled by men. From top government leadership, to Congress, to the vast majority of boardrooms. Educational leadership, be it K-12 or higher ed, tends to be split about 50/50. So who exactly is abandoning the boys?

I don’t get the obsession with men right now, and I’m a men. Women are literally letting men play them by taking in this BS indoctrination that men are being oppressed to the highest extent, because now women go to school at higher rates (a trend that’s been going on for decades).

Boys are being coddled to the extreme. It is seen as wrong these days to point out the obvious issue of male violence and repeated behavioral disruption. I see this come up all the time with mothers excusing their boys for excessive violence against other students. If your oppression comes from the fact that you can’t sit down for class…you are gonna have a rough life. I see the same things with dads telling their boys that college is a waste of money, useless, etc. We’re priming them to be unsuccessful.

You don't sound like you're actually "a men".

I simply don’t care about what gender you wanna hypothesize me as. Make a damn point.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD has gone on several tours where the gender ratio is almost 2/3 female to male (BU was a recent one that our tour guide said was close to that). What is going on? Why aren't colleges at least trying to balance things a bit? My daughter feels like it will be a weird atmosphere for her when it's so female-heavy. She doesn't just want to go to school with guys who got in through recruited sports. She wants to go to college with smart, goal-oriented men.

In middle/high schools (high performing) girls tend to follow instructions wholeheartedly , do homework religiously and keep at it methodically….
In US high schools - where you are not really tested for deeper expertise- it pays off tremendously.

But it’s in colleges - esp the high end (academically) - where brilliant men restore the time honored lead..

Men are doing terrible at getting into and staying in college.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.

Maybe give some thought to the qualities that your culture lauds as being exemplary, or successful. I’m thinking people like Elon Musk, Charlie Kirk, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, DOGE. How many of these wealthy, influential white men finished college? How many of them proudly discuss their college experiences as being foundational in their success? So, I wouldn’t slam you for your viewpoint, although I do encourage you to take a deeper look at who you are openly valuing as role models. What many of you actually value is DOGE: Very young white men — with limited education, lots of power, and extravagantly generous paychecks.

Lol: You do get that you’re claiming “ victimhood” for “white men in particular “ — right? Tell the truth, do you REALLY wish that your “boys” had the opportunities that get offered to people who are not white males? You wish that your kid was a target for ICE?

The only person on that list that I might even consider a worthy role model for a young man would have been Charlie Kirk, primarily for his way of speaking with people who disagreed with him. Do you consider the rest of them people our boys should admire or emulate? That to me is a sign of a sick culture.

Can you provide some examples of this? I have never seen him speak with those who disagreed with him in any way that I would find admirable.

This is a really sad video. “I think you exhibit sinful behavior and you shouldn’t tell people who you are, but WELCOME! Just don’t bring up being gay (Kirk brings up being Christian constantly) and we’ll get along.

Why are you lying? Did you think no one would call you out? He in NO WAY said any of the bolded. He said he didn’t think *anyone* should lead with what sexuality they are - it’s irrelevant and he pointed out that the young man was a complete person, which he is. Then he said from a Christian perspective, he doesn’t agree with a gay lifestyle, but that in NO way should what we do in the bedroom be a relevant talking point. And then he welcomed him to the conservative movement.

Honestly, why are liberals such liars?

“ Did you think no one would call you out? “
No where did I make it sound like I’m Afraid to or won’t engage with you. Call me out all you wish, that’s the point of the forum format.

As a conservative Christian, Charlie Kirk believes homosexuality is a sin. You gonna argue with me now that Kirk was a United Church of Christ member and doesn’t care at all about people being queer? The young man is asking, because many conservatives have much more extreme beliefs about gay people, and it’d be nice to hear something beyond “don’t talk about your sexuality.”

“ Honestly, why are liberals such liars?”
Why are conservatives so obsessed with the idea that they are the only ones with access to the truth?

You actually put in quotes something that he NEVER said - or even implied. He also never said “don’t talk about your sexuality”. He said there is no need to lead with that, always introducing yourself as “gay”. And he’s right . Do straight people lead with announcing their sexuality? No.

It’s laughable that you claim you have access to the truth when you can’t even correctly quote people. No wonder no one takes you seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:So many complex factors contribute to this. To over simplify and scratch just the surface, we have...

1) An education system that rewards young kids who sit still, can follow orders, take standardized tests since age 4-7, do hours of homework since 5th grade. All of these favor girls who mature sooner, are under greater gender pressure to be compliant. This education hamster wheel is enough to burn any kids out and turn them off school by college age, esp for boys.

2) At the same time, the last two generations of kids (after Gen X who are left to roam wild by themselves) are over-programmed to an inch of their lives for schools, sports, music and other ECs that require unreal level of executive functioning. Girls again fare better here...they are recognized even if they don't score or win the big trophy but are hardworking, collaborative team player; boys in general face higher expectation to have to win gold and be the future MLB/NBA/NHL/NFL start since age 4. All these ES and unrealistic expectations also mean kids (both genders) have multiple opportunities each day to feel bad about themselves that make them crave emotional outlets.

3) This takes us to the addiction to social media, video games, online influencers...boys often dive a lot deeper into these escapes and addictions; some get so lost and disillusioned they can't climb back up from the deep hole. So many of these teen boys are not sleeping even 5-6 hours a night, let alone build the kind of school and EC portfolios and do SAT preps to get into these colleges OP is touring.

This was how education has worked essentially since the 1700s and it used to be much worse. Teachers would literally smack kids in the head who didn't sit still and follow orders...yet boys seemed to do just fine in the 1950s or all the previous eras that were much worse than today.

Let's stop blaming a disciplined classroom for anything...because again, it used to be much, much worse yet we never worried about boys back in the day.

Yeah this is where I get stuck. So girls do better than boys in a system that was created by men, and in which boys flourished for centuries. Girls enter this environment, outperform boys, and somehow it's unfair to boys? What about meritocracy? Shouldn't we be celebrating this and encouraging boys to look up to their female classmates? Isn't that what we always told women and minorities who wanted to compete on the same level as white men? Work harder?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.

Maybe give some thought to the qualities that your culture lauds as being exemplary, or successful. I’m thinking people like Elon Musk, Charlie Kirk, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, DOGE. How many of these wealthy, influential white men finished college? How many of them proudly discuss their college experiences as being foundational in their success? So, I wouldn’t slam you for your viewpoint, although I do encourage you to take a deeper look at who you are openly valuing as role models. What many of you actually value is DOGE: Very young white men — with limited education, lots of power, and extravagantly generous paychecks.

Lol: You do get that you’re claiming “ victimhood” for “white men in particular “ — right? Tell the truth, do you REALLY wish that your “boys” had the opportunities that get offered to people who are not white males? You wish that your kid was a target for ICE?

The only person on that list that I might even consider a worthy role model for a young man would have been Charlie Kirk, primarily for his way of speaking with people who disagreed with him. Do you consider the rest of them people our boys should admire or emulate? That to me is a sign of a sick culture.

Can you provide some examples of this? I have never seen him speak with those who disagreed with him in any way that I would find admirable.

This is a really sad video. “I think you exhibit sinful behavior and you shouldn’t tell people who you are, but WELCOME! Just don’t bring up being gay (Kirk brings up being Christian constantly) and we’ll get along.

Why are you lying? Did you think no one would call you out? He in NO WAY said any of the bolded. He said he didn’t think *anyone* should lead with what sexuality they are - it’s irrelevant and he pointed out that the young man was a complete person, which he is. Then he said from a Christian perspective, he doesn’t agree with a gay lifestyle, but that in NO way should what we do in the bedroom be a relevant talking point. And then he welcomed him to the conservative movement.

Honestly, why are liberals such liars?

“ Did you think no one would call you out? “
No where did I make it sound like I’m Afraid to or won’t engage with you. Call me out all you wish, that’s the point of the forum format.

As a conservative Christian, Charlie Kirk believes homosexuality is a sin. You gonna argue with me now that Kirk was a United Church of Christ member and doesn’t care at all about people being queer? The young man is asking, because many conservatives have much more extreme beliefs about gay people, and it’d be nice to hear something beyond “don’t talk about your sexuality.”

“ Honestly, why are liberals such liars?”
Why are conservatives so obsessed with the idea that they are the only ones with access to the truth?

You actually put in quotes something that he NEVER said - or even implied. He also never said “don’t talk about your sexuality”. He said there is no need to lead with that, always introducing yourself as “gay”. And he’s right . Do straight people lead with announcing their sexuality? No.

It’s laughable that you claim you have access to the truth when you can’t even correctly quote people. No wonder no one takes you seriously.

I was hoping you wouldn't be so literal and would be able to take that I was lampooning a bit, but now I see I need to get the old Chicago style guide out.
He also never said “don’t talk about your sexuality”. He said there is no need to lead with that, always introducing yourself as “gay”. And he’s right . Do straight people lead with announcing their sexuality? No. This misses a fundamental point that many people just are gay, and it is clear they're gay, and it will make a religious conservative uncomfortable if you are so. I know queer people who have been harassed by these people, because they're conservative and find queer people disgusting-it's not their fault that they have a certain religion, but it is not enough to just go BE QUIET. I don't think Kirk actually gave advice. Acknowledging humanity isn't exactly bold; it's just a copout to not address the elephant in the room.

It’s laughable that you claim you have access to the truth when you can’t even correctly quote people.

I didn't. You seem obsessed with being 100% right all the time though.

No wonder no one takes you seriously.

You don't know who I am, random internet guy.

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Anonymous wrote:So many complex factors contribute to this. To over simplify and scratch just the surface, we have...

1) An education system that rewards young kids who sit still, can follow orders, take standardized tests since age 4-7, do hours of homework since 5th grade. All of these favor girls who mature sooner, are under greater gender pressure to be compliant. This education hamster wheel is enough to burn any kids out and turn them off school by college age, esp for boys.

2) At the same time, the last two generations of kids (after Gen X who are left to roam wild by themselves) are over-programmed to an inch of their lives for schools, sports, music and other ECs that require unreal level of executive functioning. Girls again fare better here...they are recognized even if they don't score or win the big trophy but are hardworking, collaborative team player; boys in general face higher expectation to have to win gold and be the future MLB/NBA/NHL/NFL start since age 4. All these ES and unrealistic expectations also mean kids (both genders) have multiple opportunities each day to feel bad about themselves that make them crave emotional outlets.

3) This takes us to the addiction to social media, video games, online influencers...boys often dive a lot deeper into these escapes and addictions; some get so lost and disillusioned they can't climb back up from the deep hole. So many of these teen boys are not sleeping even 5-6 hours a night, let alone build the kind of school and EC portfolios and do SAT preps to get into these colleges OP is touring.

This was how education has worked essentially since the 1700s and it used to be much worse. Teachers would literally smack kids in the head who didn't sit still and follow orders...yet boys seemed to do just fine in the 1950s or all the previous eras that were much worse than today.

Let's stop blaming a disciplined classroom for anything...because again, it used to be much, much worse yet we never worried about boys back in the day.

Yeah this is where I get stuck. So girls do better than boys in a system that was created by men, and in which boys flourished for centuries. Girls enter this environment, outperform boys, and somehow it's unfair to boys? What about meritocracy? Shouldn't we be celebrating this and encouraging boys to look up to their female classmates? Isn't that what we always told women and minorities who wanted to compete on the same level as white men? Work harder?

+1. It's identity politics. They just don't call it that when it's defending men.

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Boys have thrived in systems of structure and discipline, and the notion that they can’t adapt to such an environment today doesn’t fully account for the range of learning styles and abilities that boys have historically exhibited. In fact, the education system used to be far more rigid—focusing on following strict routines and being able to perform tasks as expected, which is something boys have traditionally excelled at.

Even the trades cannot be engaged with if you are terrible at listening to others.

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Using the BU reference by OP - girls may be more attracted to the big city college experience while guys might be more attracted to sports culture of larger state U's?

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On average, girls get better grades than boys. This leads to more girls getting admitted to college, even moreso when the weight in admissions shifted moreso, sometimes nearly entirely, to grades over test scores.

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Why are we upset that women. are doing their school work?

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I think some of the stats that PPs posted are off. I saw 60-62% female for UCLA & UNC, and 57% female for Michigan.

That said, I don't really understand how selective colleges have a hard time making their classes at least 45% male.

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of the stats that PPs posted are off. I saw 60-62% female for UCLA & UNC, and 57% female for Michigan.

That said, I don't really understand how selective colleges have a hard time making their classes at least 45% male.

It's not the responsibility of the college for men to earn spots.