which club will leave ECNL next

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Anonymous wrote:Holy Christ. I'm so happy that my DD is a rising junior and won't have to deal with all of this BS moving forward.

I realize that many get their rocks off with the speculation of what club is leaving next, in the grad scheme of things, does it really matter?

Maybe if you have girls or boys that are in their younger tween years, yeah, it could matter. But, I really think that if you have quality as a player, you will get seen and end up where you belong.

Good luck.

I think the ECNL continues to target a wealthier, college focused demographic and MLSN focuses on the pro pathway. Incentives drive the outcomes. ECNL will push to send kids to college programs and MLS will attempt to develop players that can be sold.

That said, ECNL teams play MLSN teams several times a year in tourneys and friendlies and both academy scouts and college scouts are at both league events. If the kid is good, they will be seen. Find the club that fits your child best and do not worry so much about acronyms.

MLSN isnt just for playing pro.

Players work their butt off to play professionally but sometimes it doesn't work out. In this situation playing in college is the fallback. Just like how D1 coaches love foreign Academy washouts. They also love MLSN Academy players.

So dont think that MLSN is only for playing professionally. Its both pro and college. ECNL on the other hand is college only. See why MLSN is appealing? If you can make it to the top levels multiple doors are open for you. As a college coach who would you choose? A player that played and practiced with MLS pro players. Or one that played at a club level only?

"As a college coach who would you choose?" The smarter one that can get into college and didn't waste too much time missing school for cross country events.

You chose the smarter one that was able to keep up grades while traveling cross country to do MLSN events. You act like College soccer doesnt do travel during the season. Did you think College stops because of an away game.

Do you own stock in MLSN? It's just a random league that replaced another league and will be replaced by another league in the future.

MLSN is different because it has connections into MLS. Put another way. You're not going to play MLS as a youth unless you play for MLSN first.

So ya, huge difference.

Put another way, MLSN kids aren't playing in MLS either. Starting salaries for CS and engineering degrees are higher than MLS starting salaries. And MLS careers are on average very, very short. Pro pathway for soccer in the US is fool's gold, amazed an adult doesn't look at the math to know this. Youth soccer is for fun, college sets you up to make bank.

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Anonymous wrote:Holy Christ. I'm so happy that my DD is a rising junior and won't have to deal with all of this BS moving forward.

I realize that many get their rocks off with the speculation of what club is leaving next, in the grad scheme of things, does it really matter?

Maybe if you have girls or boys that are in their younger tween years, yeah, it could matter. But, I really think that if you have quality as a player, you will get seen and end up where you belong.

Good luck.

I think the ECNL continues to target a wealthier, college focused demographic and MLSN focuses on the pro pathway. Incentives drive the outcomes. ECNL will push to send kids to college programs and MLS will attempt to develop players that can be sold.

That said, ECNL teams play MLSN teams several times a year in tourneys and friendlies and both academy scouts and college scouts are at both league events. If the kid is good, they will be seen. Find the club that fits your child best and do not worry so much about acronyms.

MLSN isnt just for playing pro.

Players work their butt off to play professionally but sometimes it doesn't work out. In this situation playing in college is the fallback. Just like how D1 coaches love foreign Academy washouts. They also love MLSN Academy players.

So dont think that MLSN is only for playing professionally. Its both pro and college. ECNL on the other hand is college only. See why MLSN is appealing? If you can make it to the top levels multiple doors are open for you. As a college coach who would you choose? A player that played and practiced with MLS pro players. Or one that played at a club level only?

"As a college coach who would you choose?" The smarter one that can get into college and didn't waste too much time missing school for cross country events.

You chose the smarter one that was able to keep up grades while traveling cross country to do MLSN events. You act like College soccer doesnt do travel during the season. Did you think College stops because of an away game.

Do you own stock in MLSN? It's just a random league that replaced another league and will be replaced by another league in the future.

MLSN is different because it has connections into MLS. Put another way. You're not going to play MLS as a youth unless you play for MLSN first.

So ya, huge difference.

Put another way, MLSN kids aren't playing in MLS either. Starting salaries for CS and engineering degrees are higher than MLS starting salaries. And MLS careers are on average very, very short. Pro pathway for soccer in the US is fool's gold, amazed an adult doesn't look at the math to know this. Youth soccer is for fun, college sets you up to make bank.

This is the DMV area, I haven’t met any parents banking on college soccer to fund their kid’s education. Around here, it’s mainly using soccer as a hook to get into certain colleges, and the prestige/flex of going to a certain university and/or playing D1 college.

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Anonymous wrote:Holy Christ. I'm so happy that my DD is a rising junior and won't have to deal with all of this BS moving forward.

I realize that many get their rocks off with the speculation of what club is leaving next, in the grad scheme of things, does it really matter?

Maybe if you have girls or boys that are in their younger tween years, yeah, it could matter. But, I really think that if you have quality as a player, you will get seen and end up where you belong.

Good luck.

I think the ECNL continues to target a wealthier, college focused demographic and MLSN focuses on the pro pathway. Incentives drive the outcomes. ECNL will push to send kids to college programs and MLS will attempt to develop players that can be sold.

That said, ECNL teams play MLSN teams several times a year in tourneys and friendlies and both academy scouts and college scouts are at both league events. If the kid is good, they will be seen. Find the club that fits your child best and do not worry so much about acronyms.

MLSN isnt just for playing pro.

Players work their butt off to play professionally but sometimes it doesn't work out. In this situation playing in college is the fallback. Just like how D1 coaches love foreign Academy washouts. They also love MLSN Academy players.

So dont think that MLSN is only for playing professionally. Its both pro and college. ECNL on the other hand is college only. See why MLSN is appealing? If you can make it to the top levels multiple doors are open for you. As a college coach who would you choose? A player that played and practiced with MLS pro players. Or one that played at a club level only?

"As a college coach who would you choose?" The smarter one that can get into college and didn't waste too much time missing school for cross country events.

You chose the smarter one that was able to keep up grades while traveling cross country to do MLSN events. You act like College soccer doesnt do travel during the season. Did you think College stops because of an away game.

Do you own stock in MLSN? It's just a random league that replaced another league and will be replaced by another league in the future.

MLSN is different because it has connections into MLS. Put another way. You're not going to play MLS as a youth unless you play for MLSN first.

So ya, huge difference.

Put another way, MLSN kids aren't playing in MLS either. Starting salaries for CS and engineering degrees are higher than MLS starting salaries. And MLS careers are on average very, very short. Pro pathway for soccer in the US is fool's gold, amazed an adult doesn't look at the math to know this. Youth soccer is for fun, college sets you up to make bank.

This is the DMV area, I haven’t met any parents banking on college soccer to fund their kid’s education. Around here, it’s mainly using soccer as a hook to get into certain colleges, and the prestige/flex of going to a certain university and/or playing D1 college.

Either way MLSN works if youve got what it takes to play pro they'll let you know if that's realistic. If it doesn't pan out you will have your choice of colleges to play for.

Or you go the ECNL route emailing coaches hoping to be recruited.

I'm not saying this to dump on ECNL. I am saying this because some people seem to think that MLSN is for pro only. This is not the case.

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Anonymous wrote:Holy Christ. I'm so happy that my DD is a rising junior and won't have to deal with all of this BS moving forward.

I realize that many get their rocks off with the speculation of what club is leaving next, in the grad scheme of things, does it really matter?

Maybe if you have girls or boys that are in their younger tween years, yeah, it could matter. But, I really think that if you have quality as a player, you will get seen and end up where you belong.

Good luck.

I think the ECNL continues to target a wealthier, college focused demographic and MLSN focuses on the pro pathway. Incentives drive the outcomes. ECNL will push to send kids to college programs and MLS will attempt to develop players that can be sold.

That said, ECNL teams play MLSN teams several times a year in tourneys and friendlies and both academy scouts and college scouts are at both league events. If the kid is good, they will be seen. Find the club that fits your child best and do not worry so much about acronyms.

MLSN isnt just for playing pro.

Players work their butt off to play professionally but sometimes it doesn't work out. In this situation playing in college is the fallback. Just like how D1 coaches love foreign Academy washouts. They also love MLSN Academy players.

So dont think that MLSN is only for playing professionally. Its both pro and college. ECNL on the other hand is college only. See why MLSN is appealing? If you can make it to the top levels multiple doors are open for you. As a college coach who would you choose? A player that played and practiced with MLS pro players. Or one that played at a club level only?

"As a college coach who would you choose?" The smarter one that can get into college and didn't waste too much time missing school for cross country events.

You chose the smarter one that was able to keep up grades while traveling cross country to do MLSN events. You act like College soccer doesnt do travel during the season. Did you think College stops because of an away game.

Do you own stock in MLSN? It's just a random league that replaced another league and will be replaced by another league in the future.

MLSN is different because it has connections into MLS. Put another way. You're not going to play MLS as a youth unless you play for MLSN first.

So ya, huge difference.

Put another way, MLSN kids aren't playing in MLS either. Starting salaries for CS and engineering degrees are higher than MLS starting salaries. And MLS careers are on average very, very short. Pro pathway for soccer in the US is fool's gold, amazed an adult doesn't look at the math to know this. Youth soccer is for fun, college sets you up to make bank.

This is the DMV area, I haven’t met any parents banking on college soccer to fund their kid’s education. Around here, it’s mainly using soccer as a hook to get into certain colleges, and the prestige/flex of going to a certain university and/or playing D1 college.

Either way MLSN works if youve got what it takes to play pro they'll let you know if that's realistic. If it doesn't pan out you will have your choice of colleges to play for.

Or you go the ECNL route emailing coaches hoping to be recruited.

I'm not saying this to dump on ECNL. I am saying this because some people seem to think that MLSN is for pro only. This is not the case.

MLSN is more a path for a year or so of playing USL and then coaching kids by the hour with some summer camp trainings. A fine career not dissing it, just not preferred by most.

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Anonymous wrote:Holy Christ. I'm so happy that my DD is a rising junior and won't have to deal with all of this BS moving forward.

I realize that many get their rocks off with the speculation of what club is leaving next, in the grad scheme of things, does it really matter?

Maybe if you have girls or boys that are in their younger tween years, yeah, it could matter. But, I really think that if you have quality as a player, you will get seen and end up where you belong.

Good luck.

I think the ECNL continues to target a wealthier, college focused demographic and MLSN focuses on the pro pathway. Incentives drive the outcomes. ECNL will push to send kids to college programs and MLS will attempt to develop players that can be sold.

That said, ECNL teams play MLSN teams several times a year in tourneys and friendlies and both academy scouts and college scouts are at both league events. If the kid is good, they will be seen. Find the club that fits your child best and do not worry so much about acronyms.

MLSN isnt just for playing pro.

Players work their butt off to play professionally but sometimes it doesn't work out. In this situation playing in college is the fallback. Just like how D1 coaches love foreign Academy washouts. They also love MLSN Academy players.

So dont think that MLSN is only for playing professionally. Its both pro and college. ECNL on the other hand is college only. See why MLSN is appealing? If you can make it to the top levels multiple doors are open for you. As a college coach who would you choose? A player that played and practiced with MLS pro players. Or one that played at a club level only?

"As a college coach who would you choose?" The smarter one that can get into college and didn't waste too much time missing school for cross country events.

You chose the smarter one that was able to keep up grades while traveling cross country to do MLSN events. You act like College soccer doesnt do travel during the season. Did you think College stops because of an away game.

Do you own stock in MLSN? It's just a random league that replaced another league and will be replaced by another league in the future.

MLSN is different because it has connections into MLS. Put another way. You're not going to play MLS as a youth unless you play for MLSN first.

So ya, huge difference.

Put another way, MLSN kids aren't playing in MLS either. Starting salaries for CS and engineering degrees are higher than MLS starting salaries. And MLS careers are on average very, very short. Pro pathway for soccer in the US is fool's gold, amazed an adult doesn't look at the math to know this. Youth soccer is for fun, college sets you up to make bank.

This is the DMV area, I haven’t met any parents banking on college soccer to fund their kid’s education. Around here, it’s mainly using soccer as a hook to get into certain colleges, and the prestige/flex of going to a certain university and/or playing D1 college.

Either way MLSN works if youve got what it takes to play pro they'll let you know if that's realistic. If it doesn't pan out you will have your choice of colleges to play for.

Or you go the ECNL route emailing coaches hoping to be recruited.

I'm not saying this to dump on ECNL. I am saying this because some people seem to think that MLSN is for pro only. This is not the case.

MLSN is more a path for a year or so of playing USL and then coaching kids by the hour with some summer camp trainings. A fine career not dissing it, just not preferred by most.

A family on our teams oldest son did MLS p2p and sessions witb Real Salt Lakes Academy team. When he was graduating HS he chose college soccer and had multiple D1 teams reaching out. Currently plays on one of the top college teams in the country. Scored a goal in his first game as a true freshman.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve heard from a very reliable source that Arlington is a done deal for next year.

Ditto

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve heard from a very reliable source that Arlington is a done deal for next year.

Ditto

Arlington is doing to MLSNext/GA next year?

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve heard from a very reliable source that Arlington is a done deal for next year.

Ditto

Arlington is doing to MLSNext/GA next year?

Seriously doubt they would get approved.

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Anonymous wrote:Holy Christ. I'm so happy that my DD is a rising junior and won't have to deal with all of this BS moving forward.

I realize that many get their rocks off with the speculation of what club is leaving next, in the grad scheme of things, does it really matter?

Maybe if you have girls or boys that are in their younger tween years, yeah, it could matter. But, I really think that if you have quality as a player, you will get seen and end up where you belong.

Good luck.

I think the ECNL continues to target a wealthier, college focused demographic and MLSN focuses on the pro pathway. Incentives drive the outcomes. ECNL will push to send kids to college programs and MLS will attempt to develop players that can be sold.

That said, ECNL teams play MLSN teams several times a year in tourneys and friendlies and both academy scouts and college scouts are at both league events. If the kid is good, they will be seen. Find the club that fits your child best and do not worry so much about acronyms.

MLSN isnt just for playing pro.

Players work their butt off to play professionally but sometimes it doesn't work out. In this situation playing in college is the fallback. Just like how D1 coaches love foreign Academy washouts. They also love MLSN Academy players.

So dont think that MLSN is only for playing professionally. Its both pro and college. ECNL on the other hand is college only. See why MLSN is appealing? If you can make it to the top levels multiple doors are open for you. As a college coach who would you choose? A player that played and practiced with MLS pro players. Or one that played at a club level only?

"As a college coach who would you choose?" The smarter one that can get into college and didn't waste too much time missing school for cross country events.

You chose the smarter one that was able to keep up grades while traveling cross country to do MLSN events. You act like College soccer doesnt do travel during the season. Did you think College stops because of an away game.

Do you own stock in MLSN? It's just a random league that replaced another league and will be replaced by another league in the future.

Sorry your kid did not make team.

Arlington just seems like a better program than Achilles and as someone else showed awhile ago, college placements on the boys side from ECNL and MLSN pay to play were similar.

Crazy to be stumping for a team, crazier to be stumping for a club, craziest to be stumping for a league.

Not sure how Achilles got lumped in but I’ll bite. Achilles is a boutique club that’s a fraction of the size and budget of Arlington. They have a player on USMNT U16 and a U16 starting on a Bundesliga academy team. Can Arlington, with far greater numbers and massive budget, say the same?

Case stuffs are useless for proper analysis. Do you have a numbers?

Please Arlington sends tons of kids to Academies every year and has a far better college track record. Great for the 1 or 2 players at Achilles who has done well with national team but 1
Player does not make a club and isn’t a statistically significant argument. Show me the track record for dozens and I will bite. Arlingtons top teams (as opposed to its huge rec and lower travel programs where most of the budget goes ) do quite well with Academies and D1 soccer.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve heard from a very reliable source that Arlington is a done deal for next year.

Ditto

Arlington is doing to MLSNext/GA next year?

Seriously doubt they would get approved.

They get invited every year. There is no debate on that topic. What is up for debate is what they choose to do. They say they are staying with ECNL which makes sense as they have a huge contingent of players that make up the NOVa HS soccer scene.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve heard from a very reliable source that Arlington is a done deal for next year.

Ditto

Arlington is doing to MLSNext/GA next year?

Seriously doubt they would get approved.

They get invited every year. There is no debate on that topic. What is up for debate is what they choose to do. They say they are staying with ECNL which makes sense as they have a huge contingent of players that make up the NOVa HS soccer scene.

More like they apply every year and get denied

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve heard from a very reliable source that Arlington is a done deal for next year.

Ditto

Arlington is doing to MLSNext/GA next year?

Seriously doubt they would get approved.

They get invited every year. There is no debate on that topic. What is up for debate is what they choose to do. They say they are staying with ECNL which makes sense as they have a huge contingent of players that make up the NOVa HS soccer scene.

More like they apply every year and get denied

They get begged every year. They have never applied. I doubt they would do it unless ECNL falls apart because of the girls side. ECNL does not seem to be falling apart.

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Anonymous wrote:What about GFR? They are not going to stay without a pathway past this year. The question is whether they go ECNL or GA.

Who would they team up with?

Do they need to team up with anyone for GA?

What is GFR?

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Anonymous wrote:What about GFR? They are not going to stay without a pathway past this year. The question is whether they go ECNL or GA.

Who would they team up with?

Do they need to team up with anyone for GA?

For next year? Yes, their older girls teams are all falling apart. 2007-2010 are weak and likely won't be top 5 RL teams even just in VA North.

Teams are falling apart because they don’t have ECNL or GA so the top girls leave since RL is getting so weak. If they went GA those girls would stay.

Right, but for now, they'd have to team up with someone to get GA. They aren't strong enough on their own so it would take a while to build up without a merger of some sort.

Nobody is teaming up with GFR. There is no team out there - that is in need of partners - that would interest either GA or ECNL.

McLean would team up with them in a heartbeat. The older teams for McLean are weaker and the super 2013 team just left for FVU. McLean is in need of a boost.

Super 2013 until they play a California team LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve heard from a very reliable source that Arlington is a done deal for next year.

Ditto

Arlington is doing to MLSNext/GA next year?

Seriously doubt they would get approved.

They get invited every year. There is no debate on that topic. What is up for debate is what they choose to do. They say they are staying with ECNL which makes sense as they have a huge contingent of players that make up the NOVa HS soccer scene.

More like they apply every year and get denied

They get begged every year. They have never applied. I doubt they would do it unless ECNL falls apart because of the girls side. ECNL does not seem to be falling apart.

Both are a money grab. At least ECNL has the sense to market themselves as the pathway to college. MLSN P2P is the suckers bet; funding the academies where any kid who has any chance of going pro is already playing.