CS is dead

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Anonymous wrote:CS majors are well equipped to leverage AI. No worries.

+1 more so than English majors. DC is a CS major and uses AI to check their work. They are now at an internship at a large tech company.

But you don't have to be a CS major, that's the point. I majored in the humanities and use AI every day. I'm at a large company and work with data scientist and science PhDs. I used to rely on them to do things I couldn't do; now I can use AI and get what I need. It's hard to overstate what a massive change this has been in the last 18 months.

Can you create and improve the AI? Engineer systems to make it run more efficiently and not exhaust the planet's resources? Did your humanities major teach you how to fix it when it breaks or how to prevent it from accidentally starting a nuclear war?

Alex Karp and Peter Thiel have no interest in preventing a nuclear war; if anything, they’d encourage it.

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Anonymous wrote:Open AI coding wiped the floor last week in coding competition though did lose at very end.. Coding is dead, original creative thinking is not.

CS and IT do ave major oversupply of talent, job mkt is overall brutal right now.

CS is not coding. Coding is like one class and it doesn't use a specific language.

CS at less rigorous programs is coding. The creative thinking rigorous coursework and leadership skills come from the top schools for bachelors and also form phD level. The top schools will continue to have great hiring in CS even at the bachelors level. VC knows this already and selectively hires from the top

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So...in the AI era, getting a CS degree from a SLAC with humanities courses and "soft skills" might be better than the tech schools. Go figure.🙂

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My CS/Biology grad just got a job paying $120k, so so far, so good.

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Anonymous wrote:My CS/Biology grad just got a job paying $120k, so so far, so good.

Doing what?

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Anonymous wrote:So...in the AI era, getting a CS degree from a SLAC with humanities courses and "soft skills" might be better than the tech schools. Go figure.🙂

I am sure certain top SLACs have decent-to-strong CS programs...but I doubt getting a CS degree from say Gettysburg is going to do much for you.

You do know that all top schools have humanities and other liberal arts requirements for CS majors, right?

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Anonymous wrote:So...in the AI era, getting a CS degree from a SLAC with humanities courses and "soft skills" might be better than the tech schools. Go figure.🙂

My CS kid at a top public university is also majoring in History. You don't need to only go to a SLAC for this.

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Anonymous wrote:So...in the AI era, getting a CS degree from a SLAC with humanities courses and "soft skills" might be better than the tech schools. Go figure.🙂

My CS major at UMD is minoring in Philosophy and Math. I think when he's done he'll have completed 6 Philosophy courses, 1 additional humanities, history and two writing specific.

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Anonymous wrote:CS majors are well equipped to leverage AI. No worries.

+1 more so than English majors. DC is a CS major and uses AI to check their work. They are now at an internship at a large tech company.

But you don't have to be a CS major, that's the point. I majored in the humanities and use AI every day. I'm at a large company and work with data scientist and science PhDs. I used to rely on them to do things I couldn't do; now I can use AI and get what I need. It's hard to overstate what a massive change this has been in the last 18 months.

Can you create and improve the AI? Engineer systems to make it run more efficiently and not exhaust the planet's resources? Did your humanities major teach you how to fix it when it breaks or how to prevent it from accidentally starting a nuclear war?

This piece is almost guaranteed to be crafted by someone outside of CS and then possibly implemented by a CS major.

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Anonymous wrote:So...in the AI era, getting a CS degree from a SLAC with humanities courses and "soft skills" might be better than the tech schools. Go figure.🙂

My CS major at UMD is minoring in Philosophy and Math. I think when he's done he'll have completed 6 Philosophy courses, 1 additional humanities, history and two writing specific.

Good approach

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of you have been talking about this for a while. I just stumbled across this today:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/1m2ofht/cs_is_dead_pls_read/

"ook i know this sounds like doom posting because it is. but someone needs to tell you the truth before you waste 4 years of your life

cs unemployment just hit 6.1% for new grads. thats HIGHER than liberal arts majors. let that sink in. computer engineering is even worse at 7.5%. you have better odds getting a job with an english degree

remember when everyone said "just get into faang"? 700+ people laid off DAILY in tech this year. meta alone cut 20k+. these aren't juniors, these are senior engineers with 10+ yoe now flooding the entry level market. you're not competing with other new grads anymore, you're competing with ex-google engineers willing to take 60k just to have a job. theyre lit cutting everyone w/ ai. coding is the first thing ai will take."

And the rest.....

This is silly. We can’t find decent programmers to fill mid level contracting roles making $140K. I’ve literally never seen a resume with FAANG experience applying for a government contracting job.

I feel like the people that waste time hand wringing about changes at the margins like this are the same people that base significant life decisions on $0.10 per gallon gas price fluctuations.

That is because they would be taking a 66% pay cut if they had more than a few years experience.

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Anonymous wrote:So...in the AI era, getting a CS degree from a SLAC with humanities courses and "soft skills" might be better than the tech schools. Go figure.🙂

Sophomore CS majors at Middlebury had no trouble getting top internships this summer. I suspect that it is the same for CS majors at most top SLACs.

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Anonymous wrote:So...in the AI era, getting a CS degree from a SLAC with humanities courses and "soft skills" might be better than the tech schools. Go figure.🙂

That or the Ivies/ Duke/northwestern/washU types that have small engineering cohorts (300-400ish total per year), are known for small classes starting freshman year as well as having rigorous courses and advisors who encourage taking upper/grad-level coursework, interdisciplinary structure such that research groups are often across departments, culture that values and typically pays undergrad research. We toured all of the above as well as top slacs for engineering/CS and what they have in common is pushing interdisciplinary connections, one of them called it whole-brain engineering. The feel is very different culturally than a Michigan or UCB for CS/engineering, or even some divisions of Cornell.

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Anonymous wrote:So...in the AI era, getting a CS degree from a SLAC with humanities courses and "soft skills" might be better than the tech schools. Go figure.🙂

I am sure certain top SLACs have decent-to-strong CS programs...but I doubt getting a CS degree from say Gettysburg is going to do much for you.

You do know that all top schools have humanities and other liberal arts requirements for CS majors, right?

My DC from an average school doing CS got a 200K+ offer from a top tech firm, plus sign in bonus, performance bonus, and RSUs. It's not exactly Gettysburg college, but a known school for DCUM that most here wouldn't rate as capable of producing top jobs. He didn't do soft skills classes, except what he must for general credits, but he took many advanced CS and hard Math classes, then worked his butt off on learning what these top employers need. He also was a TJ capable student, if that matters, another thing DCUM likes to put down. Why I mention it is because the capability probably matters and you can still work your way through even you don't go to a top ranked school.

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Anonymous wrote:So...in the AI era, getting a CS degree from a SLAC with humanities courses and "soft skills" might be better than the tech schools. Go figure.🙂

My CS major at UMD is minoring in Philosophy and Math. I think when he's done he'll have completed 6 Philosophy courses, 1 additional humanities, history and two writing specific.

Per my DC, Philosophy is a fairly common minor for CS majors at CMU. Because... A reasonable percentage of math/logic/... courses at CMU are officially Philosophy so the CS kids are effectively taking CS classes while obtaining credits towards the required minor...