CS is dead

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Anonymous wrote:What about data science?

Depends. Most universities have propped up cash cow data science degrees that are total wastes of time. Good data scientists are trained in rigorous fields—math, stats, cs…the foundations of data science. Many are PhDs.

A lot of physicists become data scientists. Much of Machine Learning and Neural Networks is informed by statistical physics.

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Anonymous wrote:Just spent the weekend with a friend from college who is starting his third startup (sold last one to Intel for a fortune). He said, for his engineering, he hired three great engineers, who are all Argentinians working remotely from Argentina for very little. He said, even just a couple of years ago, he would have hired about 15 engineers, mostly in person. He said the difference is AI. He is moving faster and better with three engineers in Argentina and a contract for the high end version of Ai than he would have done a couple of trays ago. He told me that coding is over as a career and software engineers are all scared of more layoffs.

Definitely not a time to go into cs.

Why? If it's that labor saving, he can create and sell more start-ups faster.

There are costs associated with that? He also likely doesn’t parallel track these startups and does them sequentially.

I think it’s an eye/opening account if true. Seems quite believable.

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Ai is still mostly a language model.
The physical labor of everyday life is still a requirement. AI will not be a healthcare worker, a news reporter, direct films, load and unload your dishwasher nor design and build that sunroom.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe that it has worse unemployment than liberal arts majors for sure. Those with liberal arts majors are more adaptable and willing to explore a variety of jobs. Those with a CS degree are not willing to "lower" themselves to jobs outside of that field.

Also, I know the software company my brother works for just outsourced and hired a bunch of H1B workers. That was their compromise to save money because the economy is so terrible right now.

They usually don’t have EQ or social skills

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Anonymous wrote:I believe that it has worse unemployment than liberal arts majors for sure. Those with liberal arts majors are more adaptable and willing to explore a variety of jobs. Those with a CS degree are not willing to "lower" themselves to jobs outside of that field.

Also, I know the software company my brother works for just outsourced and hired a bunch of H1B workers. That was their compromise to save money because the economy is so terrible right now.

They usually don’t have EQ or social skills

Indian universities also don't teach writing the same way American universities do. Engineers who can't communicate meaningfully are fine for simple tasks but nobody's building next gen software with them.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe that it has worse unemployment than liberal arts majors for sure. Those with liberal arts majors are more adaptable and willing to explore a variety of jobs. Those with a CS degree are not willing to "lower" themselves to jobs outside of that field.

Also, I know the software company my brother works for just outsourced and hired a bunch of H1B workers. That was their compromise to save money because the economy is so terrible right now.

They usually don’t have EQ or social skills

Somehow they all seem to be well off, around Loudoun you see lots of teslas, bmw, audi, porches driven by them, not to speak of big houses with large lawns. I would wager most of them were on H1B at some point. Btw, MAGA folks also think very little of them.

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Anonymous wrote:CS is dying has been said for last 30 years. AI is coming has been said for last 50 years. Its been coming. A long time. Is it coming now? and taking over everything? no. Are Tech companies cutting jobs, are others cutting jobs, and using AI as the excuse, yes. That way they don't have to take accountability for not making profits or their own inefficiencies.

Medicine is also dying, for people who go into it without knowing what they want to do, other than make money. Same is true for all fields.

Go to study CS because you love computers and want to know what goes on inside the machine and how to make them do things. Make AI do things with that knowledge. Build AD with that knowledge.

Mediocre students who case CS for money will be unemployed.

Stop posting. Clearly you know nothing.

My spouse and I are in tech, and 30 years ago, CS jobs in SV were hot. Companies couldn't hire people fast enough. These were the days of huge signing bonuses, etc.. I got a 100% increase in my company because they didn't want me to leave. I left a year later anyways, and my income jumped 440% in 2 years.

You must be very bad at what you do.

Yea, I'm terrible. That's why I got a 440% increase in SV wages. I'm going to retire in my 50s, thanks to the SV money.

But have you retired yet? "going to retire" is not same. I'm semi retired in my 50's without SV money, but I've been in computing since 1990s. I don't care where you worked or what you did, I know computing and I did for the love of it. I was using Lynx (text based browser) before Netscape came out with Navigator in '94. I was using WWW soon after Tim Berners Lees & co. invented HTML. I was on BSD Unix and all different variations since early 90's. Worked on green screens and COBOL to Cloud Computing and AI. I was told number of times by ignorant people about CS is dying and opportunities are elsewhere. I didn't care then, I don't care now. Because I started working with computers for free, just for the opportunity to work on them at first, then it became a well paid career.

Hey friend! I was a liberal arts major and every dollar I’ve made in my life has been through my hobby, computers. Green screens, acoustic coupler modems, gnu, emacs… it’s been an infinite playground and I’m grateful that I’ve gotten to spend my career doing something so interesting and fun. And I absolutely don’t regret a second of my liberal arts degree, which gave me a chance to take time to learn things that it’s difficult carve out the time for in the “real world”.

It’s sad that my path (hobbyist to tech worker) no longer seems viable. It certainly weeded out people who didn’t love the subject.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe that it has worse unemployment than liberal arts majors for sure. Those with liberal arts majors are more adaptable and willing to explore a variety of jobs. Those with a CS degree are not willing to "lower" themselves to jobs outside of that field.

Also, I know the software company my brother works for just outsourced and hired a bunch of H1B workers. That was their compromise to save money because the economy is so terrible right now.

They usually don’t have EQ or social skills

Indian universities also don't teach writing the same way American universities do. Engineers who can't communicate meaningfully are fine for simple tasks but nobody's building next gen software with them.

The luxury building I live in Manhattan has many Indian families living here. Some are from IITs and working at hedge funds. Most are sending their kids to top private schools. We have friends paying $30k per month in rent and the condos are greater that $4 million. I know because we are one such family and both my husband and I came here as grad students. Our education was practically free in India, we got MBAs from top 3 business schools. We are engineers who are doing more than fine.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe that it has worse unemployment than liberal arts majors for sure. Those with liberal arts majors are more adaptable and willing to explore a variety of jobs. Those with a CS degree are not willing to "lower" themselves to jobs outside of that field.

Also, I know the software company my brother works for just outsourced and hired a bunch of H1B workers. That was their compromise to save money because the economy is so terrible right now.

They usually don’t have EQ or social skills

Indian universities also don't teach writing the same way American universities do. Engineers who can't communicate meaningfully are fine for simple tasks but nobody's building next gen software with them.

But they are cheap so companies don't mind offshoring. Like I said, companies are willing to get 60% productivity for 60% pay cut.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny story.

In 2002 my uncle said his wife's nephew quit CS field and went into something else because he is smart and know coding is dying. I disagreed with my uncle and said for good people there will be good jobs. That guy later married a Chinese women and moved with her to Singapore or somewhere. I don't think he did that well, my uncle hasn't bragged about him much for many years.


In 2010 my sister said her friend said CS is dying and her son better be electrical engineer, which he did. I told her do CS because there will be jobs for good people. He did find job as EE but struggled. Later he went to study data science and made a move into CS through that field, now he works for a Tech company in his mid 30s after struggling many years, but at least he found a way back.

English majors better than CS? lol. yeah.

Who do you think that the programmers report to? Hint, it's often not former coders.

Additional hint: It's not English majors, at least where I worked at FAANG. There Econ majors, AI majors, CS majors, business majors, but not English majors. English majors tend to work in non tech departments.

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Anonymous wrote:CS majors are well equipped to leverage AI. No worries.

+1 more so than English majors. DC is a CS major and uses AI to check their work. They are now at an internship at a large tech company.

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Anonymous wrote:Overall college grad unemployment is 5.9% and liberal arts is actually around 9.8% on average, but varies by major.

Econ is lower but surprisingly physics majors are nearly 11% and humanities as a whole is 10.8%.

Citation?

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Anonymous wrote:Just spent the weekend with a friend from college who is starting his third startup (sold last one to Intel for a fortune). He said, for his engineering, he hired three great engineers, who are all Argentinians working remotely from Argentina for very little. He said, even just a couple of years ago, he would have hired about 15 engineers, mostly in person. He said the difference is AI. He is moving faster and better with three engineers in Argentina and a contract for the high end version of Ai than he would have done a couple of trays ago. He told me that coding is over as a career and software engineers are all scared of more layoffs.

Definitely not a time to go into cs.

Why? If it's that labor saving, he can create and sell more start-ups faster.

Doesn't quite work that way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe that it has worse unemployment than liberal arts majors for sure. Those with liberal arts majors are more adaptable and willing to explore a variety of jobs. Those with a CS degree are not willing to "lower" themselves to jobs outside of that field.

Also, I know the software company my brother works for just outsourced and hired a bunch of H1B workers. That was their compromise to save money because the economy is so terrible right now.

They usually don’t have EQ or social skills

Indian universities also don't teach writing the same way American universities do. Engineers who can't communicate meaningfully are fine for simple tasks but nobody's building next gen software with them.

The luxury building I live in Manhattan has many Indian families living here. Some are from IITs and working at hedge funds. Most are sending their kids to top private schools. We have friends paying $30k per month in rent and the condos are greater that $4 million. I know because we are one such family and both my husband and I came here as grad students. Our education was practically free in India, we got MBAs from top 3 business schools. We are engineers who are doing more than fine.

Contention: Indian educated engineers are bad at writing and H1Bs don't tend to work on ground breaking software.

Counterargument: I'm rich binch and so are my friends.

Amazing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just spent the weekend with a friend from college who is starting his third startup (sold last one to Intel for a fortune). He said, for his engineering, he hired three great engineers, who are all Argentinians working remotely from Argentina for very little. He said, even just a couple of years ago, he would have hired about 15 engineers, mostly in person. He said the difference is AI. He is moving faster and better with three engineers in Argentina and a contract for the high end version of Ai than he would have done a couple of trays ago. He told me that coding is over as a career and software engineers are all scared of more layoffs.

Definitely not a time to go into cs.

Why? If it's that labor saving, he can create and sell more start-ups faster.

There are costs associated with that? He also likely doesn’t parallel track these startups and does them sequentially.

I think it’s an eye/opening account if true. Seems quite believable.

The PP said startup founder can do them faster and better now. Not every startup cashes out. I think the claim would support being able to found more businesses.

Once startup founder has $$$$ then he's going to spend it on things that require people. Maybe CS majors should learn how to captain yachts.