CS is dead

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Overall college grad unemployment is 5.9% and liberal arts is actually around 9.8% on average, but varies by major.

Econ is lower but surprisingly physics majors are nearly 11% and humanities as a whole is 10.8%.

+1 How is CS "dead" at 6% unemployment?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I like the odds of 94% being employed.

I was laid off during the 2008-2009 recession.

Now that was a knife.

+1 I was working in SV during the dotcom bomb. That was rough. It came back around after 18mo.

DC is a CS major and said everyone they know who is intelligent got a job after graduation. These are the students who can do more than just do entry level coding.

[Anonymous]

Why are we still importing CS people on H1B?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are we still importing CS people on H1B?

+1. Isn't there a requirement that employers have to prove that they can't find US employees before they are allowed to sponsor H1Bs? How are employers circumventing this requirement?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are we still importing CS people on H1B?

We have to. 95% of American CS grads dont even come close to competing with the IIT grads from India.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we still importing CS people on H1B?

We have to. 95% of American CS grads dont even come close to competing with the IIT grads from India.

+1 American cs education is a joke. It’s been made way too easy to get a cs major

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we still importing CS people on H1B?

+1. Isn't there a requirement that employers have to prove that they can't find US employees before they are allowed to sponsor H1Bs? How are employers circumventing this requirement?

CS people aren't plug and play.

But, I do agree that companies are trying to cut costs by offshoring more, or they outsource to companies like Cognizant or Tata, and they get the majority of H1s, and then underpay them.

When a company like Google hires an H1 directly, those people are paid comparable to US workers. I saw a chart of H1 salaries at these companies.

It's the outsourcing model that is gutting entry level workers. Companies are willing to live with 60% efficient and accuracy for 60% cost.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we still importing CS people on H1B?

We have to. 95% of American CS grads dont even come close to competing with the IIT grads from India.

That's provably wrong. This has been studied, and American CS grads are the best out there.

https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2019/03/comparing-skills-computer-science-undergraduates-internationally

[Anonymous]

Mark cuban has made this same point before. He encourages his kids to go into liberal arts and learn how to think critically as AI will take over most techy jobs especially coding and It.

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The sky is always falling

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Anonymous wrote:Love to see it.

So you want dcum to not exist, fool?

NP. I could finally get my life back!

To do what exactly??

Mine all the energy needed to feed the AI. See eg Elysium.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are we still importing CS people on H1B?

We have to. 95% of American CS grads dont even come close to competing with the IIT grads from India.

That's provably wrong. This has been studied, and American CS grads are the best out there.

https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2019/03/comparing-skills-computer-science-undergraduates-internationally

That study was 6 years ago. A lot has changed in 6 years.

That's not to say that we don't have awesome CS students. IMO, mine is one However, in the past six years, we've had a ton of students majoring in CS because that's where the money was, but not all of them do well in CS programs.

DC knows a few CS students who are really struggling. I do think too many students who aren't good at CS jumped on the CS band wagon. A lot of these students can't pass a technical interview. DC said that all of the recent grads they know who are intelligent found jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mark cuban has made this same point before. He encourages his kids to go into liberal arts and learn how to think critically as AI will take over most techy jobs especially coding and It.

lol

[Anonymous]

College is dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are we still importing CS people on H1B?

We have to. 95% of American CS grads dont even come close to competing with the IIT grads from India.

That's provably wrong. This has been studied, and American CS grads are the best out there.

https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2019/03/comparing-skills-computer-science-undergraduates-internationally

That study was 6 years ago. A lot has changed in 6 years.

That's not to say that we don't have awesome CS students. IMO, mine is one However, in the past six years, we've had a ton of students majoring in CS because that's where the money was, but not all of them do well in CS programs.

DC knows a few CS students who are really struggling. I do think too many students who aren't good at CS jumped on the CS band wagon. A lot of these students can't pass a technical interview. DC said that all of the recent grads they know who are intelligent found jobs.

+1. UMD Reddit and a course/instructor review site have a fair number of posts about kids failing classes. Fortunately mine isn't one of them (3.93 GPA).