How many have a kid who turned down an Ivy or Ivies to attend another school?

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Anonymous wrote:HYP football parent here. We choose to pay retail for four years because we ultimately concluded it was in investment in the 40 years that come after that first four. The thesis fundamentally centered around (i) the peers he would be surrounded by and (ii) the network he would be exposed to. Regarding the latter, DS had folks from the football alumni family reaching out to him with internship opportunities before he had graduated from high school. The vast majority of whatever outcome ultimately obtains will come down to how hard the kid is willing to work to pursue his dreams, but I’d like to think the set up will be there.

HYP don’t have the networks or peer groups in formation they once did. Wayne Gretzky would not approve of your play.

So true, no one is applying to HYP anymore. That is why they are a backup safety, just in case you do not get into community college.

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Anonymous wrote:HYP football parent here. We choose to pay retail for four years because we ultimately concluded it was in investment in the 40 years that come after that first four. The thesis fundamentally centered around (i) the peers he would be surrounded by and (ii) the network he would be exposed to. Regarding the latter, DS had folks from the football alumni family reaching out to him with internship opportunities before he had graduated from high school. The vast majority of whatever outcome ultimately obtains will come down to how hard the kid is willing to work to pursue his dreams, but I’d like to think the set up will be there.

HYP don’t have the networks or peer groups in formation they once did. Wayne Gretzky would not approve of your play.

They do for athletes…and they are very strong for many sports.

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Anonymous wrote:Not all Power 4 schools are created equal. Some are worth attending for free (vs. Harvard), others not so much.

Well…it depends on how good a football player you are because if you are NFL material then nobody gives a f**k how good the school is academically, yes?

Just so happens if you are smart enough to get recruited for football to Harvard (which can still be scores hundreds less than the average Harvard student)…and you are great at football…then guess what, you are smart enough for Duke, Stanford, Vandy, Michigan, ND, etc.

So…logic would dictate that a 5 star 1400 SAT kid might go to say Alabama because they have the potential to go Pro or pick Michigan or ND…while the 3 star 1400 SAT kid will go to Duke or Stanford…and one star 1400 kid may go to Harvard.

Under 10 percent of Power 4 players are NFL material. Your chances are certainly higher from Alabama/Michigan, but still the odds are heavily against it.

The more important point here is that the "5 star 1400 SAT kid" is a unicorn. There are only like 30 five-star recruits in any given year. In the past decade, I'd be surprised if more than one or two of them had a 1400 SAT score, if any.

None of which you say supports any choosing Harvard over equally elite Power 4 schools that are 100% free…hence the reference to 3 star recruits who are still much better players than the Harvard recruits who are one star at best.

Stanford, Duke, Vandy, Michigan and Notre Dame all have plenty of sub-1400 SAT players.

It’s generally absurd to even think any kid able to play at these types of schools are even considering Harvard at all

You're shifting the goalposts. This all started as Alabama vs. Harvard. I'm the one who first brought up Stanford, and agree 100% that any football player with the choice should be going there instead of Harvard.

Duke and Vanderbilt is a closer call, but I'd pick them over Harvard too for most.

Michigan and ND is where it becomes 50/50 for me. Depending on your background/interests, either option seems fine.

No chance would I pick Alabama though, unless you were a five-star recruit. Even four-star recruits are facing uphill battles to make enough NIL over four years (or NFL money) to outweigh the financial advantage over 40 years of attending Harvard. Don't forget, Harvard is tuition-free for families making under $200K and completely free for those making under $100K.

There is no Big 12 school I'd pick over Harvard, even as a 5-star recruit.

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I know a kit that turned down an Ivy for full ride at Michigan.

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Anonymous wrote:Mine did this year. I've decided that it's something my son can silently be proud of. Both the Ivy admission and the fact that they did what is right for them and didn't just follow the name.

Turned down Harvard for Alabama. Sticking to the libs.

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Anonymous wrote:Turned down Cornell for Vanderbilt.

Who wouldn’t?

Most wouldn’t. Specially if you have worldwide aspirations……

I have 2 kids that turned down Vandy for Cornell….

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At our school in Texas, 3 kids turned down Ivies for UK schools: Oxford, St Andrews and Cambridge.

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As a honest and true MAGA family, we made our kid turn down Columbia for Ole Miss.

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Anonymous wrote:At our school in Texas, 3 kids turned down Ivies for UK schools: Oxford, St Andrews and Cambridge.

Turning down an ivy for st Andrews is a bit surprising.
We know someone who turned down Harvard, Columbia, and Princeton to go to Rutgers.

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I know a kid that turned down an Ivy…picked Yale over Harvard!

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Anonymous wrote:I know a kid that turned down an Ivy…picked Yale over Harvard!

Must've been so hard for them

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Anonymous wrote:As a honest and true MAGA family, we made our kid turn down Columbia for Ole Miss.

Nice. Rootin’ for Colonel Reb over Tony the Landshark too?

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Anonymous wrote:at least half the kids at Williams either got into or would’ve gotten into ivies.

Which would seem to explain why their yield is well under 50 percent.
https://williamsrecord.com/469492/news/college-admits-8-5-percent-of-applicants-to-class-of-2029/

50% is really on the yield for the most popular LACs like Pomona (which has California location on its side). A 43% yield is pretty good for a liberal arts college.

That seems quite low for a top school with ED. If 50% of the school comes though ED with 100% yield, that means RD yield is terrible.

Hard to convince students to live in a tiny college in Williamstown, MA (basically exurb Albany) for four years. It's a great college, but location has always been an issue (actually a reason for Amherst's existence)

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Amherst has a worse yield than Williams

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Anonymous wrote:Mine did this year. I've decided that it's something my son can silently be proud of. Both the Ivy admission and the fact that they did what is right for them and didn't just follow the name.

Turned down Harvard for Alabama. Sticking to the libs.

You're clearly trolling, but there are so many better Southern/non-liberal schools to attend than Alabama.