Tariff impact on day to day goods?

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Anonymous wrote:Where does Heinz procure their ketchup bottles from?

All of the little plastic lids of every little piece of food we buy are made somewhere, not the US.

Most of our produce comes from central and south America.

Truckers won't deadhead their runs, so if there is nothing coming back, they won't go.


UPS is already seeing enough of a suspension of demand from retailers that they are laying off 20,000 drivers. What does that mean Amazon and Walmart are seeing?

So Heinz ketchup could go up a whole 5 cents. Wow. I remember when the left was fine with the price increases the last few years and now they are freaking out about pennies. So funny.

The cost of EACH INGREDIENT goes up because they are almost all imported.
And maybe they are able to procure the bottles or maybe they are not. Well find out in August if we can have ketchup for Labor Day BBQ's.

yeah the entire for-profit capitalism system is just going to collapse, Food companies will just stop selling food and close their doors, we will all starve especially when it comes to DCUM crowd, which isn’t the Prepper, homestead, bartering type

If they don't have containers to pack and ship the food in, if there are not truckers to deliver the product to stores, then it becomes a problem, no?

And why would we have no containers and no truckers? Where will they go?

Most of the containers or materials for containers are made in china
The truckers won't dead head one way, it isn't financially worth it for them.

1. We already have these containers, will they suddenly become broken and malfunction because China?
2. A lot of these containers are likely made here domestically. We do have metal working factories.
You would be surprised that we do manufacture a lot of stuff here in the USA. I had tried to bring a consumer product to market some years ago and found it difficult to procure a US based manufacturer for fine detail silicon/plastic type of designs, however there were many manufacturers producing plastic/silicon parts for infrastructure and medical industry. Your PVC plumbing stuff, gaskets, syringes, IV stuff, etc is manufactured here in the USA. Not to say some of it isn’t manufactured elsewhere, but we do have factories especially those dedicated to infrastructure, construction and medical industry.
3. When it comes to variety of consumer products and many “alphabet salad” Chinese “brands” on Amazon, these aren’t essentials and having fewer of these salad brands isn’t going to kill US economy or make our consumer destitute. If you have to pay 20 bucks for your phone case instead of 15 bucks or even 10 bucks you won’t go broke. You just wont’ be buying another one every 3 months simply to change colors. And these phone cases won’t disappear and become rare commodity. There isn’t enough customer base around the world for Chinese factories to completely boycott us to absorb all these products.

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Anonymous wrote:Explain this to me like I’m 5, in the next two weeks, if I go to Walmart or Safeway, what goods will be missing?

So far the hyped up freak outs are understandable but I’m not seeing the reality of the tariffs.

When will I notice? I don’t eat avocados and I don’t need a new car .

Most of what you want or need will not be available and certainly not at prices you are accustomed to paying.

“Most”.. where all of this stuff going to go if China is supposedly the only manufacturer effecting these supply chains and still makes the stuff? Or do you believe China has shuttered most of its factories and fired millions of workers? If they aren’t sending the goods here, where are they sending the goods? You all make it sound like China holds us by the balls and doesn’t rely on our markets for their economy and simply just boycotted our market and stopped shipping us “most” of the stuff they used to, which is apparently.. nearly everything we consume.

I am not buying the whole empty ports narrative because obviously I cannot verify this for myself and whatever different media outlets say can be taken with a grain of salt, because no media is trustworthy and most of media outlets engage in propaganda. Fear also sells, so they are inclined to publish fear mongering headlines for more eyeballs.

First, Trump imposed tariffs on China in his first term, so he put China on notice that it had to diversify its trading partners away from the US. China heeded that notice and took considerable measures to diversify its export markets. The percentage of China's exports going to the US has declined since Trump's first term.

Second, the US started a trade war with every country in the world at the same time. Every country now knows that it can't trust the US as a trading partner. As a result, even China's enemy, Japan, has pulled closer to China to forge a stronger trading relationship. Europe, Australia, Canada, Latin America, and Africa are also talking to China about forging stronger relationships. So many of the exports that once went to the US will be redirected to other countries. Of course, trade wars hurt everybody, so China will definitely suffer along with the US and the rest of the world.

If China already reduced its exports then how did we manage to survive all these years? Who filled the gap?
You presented your personal opinion that other countries are massively going to consume all the Chinese remaining goods they had been sending to us and now suddenly and abruptly stopped. I do not see why they would do this if they haven’t depended on Chinese manufacturing before and if their economy relies on their own domestic manufacturing. You are essentially saying that other countries having observed how American workforce go f-ed over the last decades are going to say “yeah, let’s do the same here, our people can’t wait”?

The rest of the world is cutting trade deals with each other and not with the USA. The USA is putting itself on an island of its own making and US consumers and US workers are the ones who will be paying the price for decades to come.

That’s what you are told by whatever media outlet you subscribe to. Use your brain instead and think logically about every little craziness proposed here including complete disappearance of Ketchup from our shelves apparently by July 4. Other countries making deals with China isn’t new, there is no rational reason to believe that if this were in their interests they wouldn’t have embarked on such negotiations regardless who was in the White House. This also doesn’t preclude US making additional negotiations with other countries at the same time. You are simply not aware and don’t know exactly what’s going on, neither do I. You are here mentally masturbating about apocalyptic outcome because you want to believe it and because whatever media you trust is telling you so. I don’t trust any media on any side. the algorithms by which most media operates is “fear sells”. When you start reporting from your local stores and having hard time purchasing basic things or facing empty shelves continuously for long stretches of time, then report back here and we will discuss.

You are the idiot that thought and still thinks Covid was a hoax. The entire world is wrong and Drumpster is the ONLY one who is right.... as the market tanks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Explain this to me like I’m 5, in the next two weeks, if I go to Walmart or Safeway, what goods will be missing?

So far the hyped up freak outs are understandable but I’m not seeing the reality of the tariffs.

When will I notice? I don’t eat avocados and I don’t need a new car .

Most of what you want or need will not be available and certainly not at prices you are accustomed to paying.

“Most”.. where all of this stuff going to go if China is supposedly the only manufacturer effecting these supply chains and still makes the stuff? Or do you believe China has shuttered most of its factories and fired millions of workers? If they aren’t sending the goods here, where are they sending the goods? You all make it sound like China holds us by the balls and doesn’t rely on our markets for their economy and simply just boycotted our market and stopped shipping us “most” of the stuff they used to, which is apparently.. nearly everything we consume.

I am not buying the whole empty ports narrative because obviously I cannot verify this for myself and whatever different media outlets say can be taken with a grain of salt, because no media is trustworthy and most of media outlets engage in propaganda. Fear also sells, so they are inclined to publish fear mongering headlines for more eyeballs.

First, Trump imposed tariffs on China in his first term, so he put China on notice that it had to diversify its trading partners away from the US. China heeded that notice and took considerable measures to diversify its export markets. The percentage of China's exports going to the US has declined since Trump's first term.

Second, the US started a trade war with every country in the world at the same time. Every country now knows that it can't trust the US as a trading partner. As a result, even China's enemy, Japan, has pulled closer to China to forge a stronger trading relationship. Europe, Australia, Canada, Latin America, and Africa are also talking to China about forging stronger relationships. So many of the exports that once went to the US will be redirected to other countries. Of course, trade wars hurt everybody, so China will definitely suffer along with the US and the rest of the world.

If China already reduced its exports then how did we manage to survive all these years? Who filled the gap?
You presented your personal opinion that other countries are massively going to consume all the Chinese remaining goods they had been sending to us and now suddenly and abruptly stopped. I do not see why they would do this if they haven’t depended on Chinese manufacturing before and if their economy relies on their own domestic manufacturing. You are essentially saying that other countries having observed how American workforce go f-ed over the last decades are going to say “yeah, let’s do the same here, our people can’t wait”?

The rest of the world is cutting trade deals with each other and not with the USA. The USA is putting itself on an island of its own making and US consumers and US workers are the ones who will be paying the price for decades to come.

That’s what you are told by whatever media outlet you subscribe to. Use your brain instead and think logically about every little craziness proposed here including complete disappearance of Ketchup from our shelves apparently by July 4. Other countries making deals with China isn’t new, there is no rational reason to believe that if this were in their interests they wouldn’t have embarked on such negotiations regardless who was in the White House. This also doesn’t preclude US making additional negotiations with other countries at the same time. You are simply not aware and don’t know exactly what’s going on, neither do I. You are here mentally masturbating about apocalyptic outcome because you want to believe it and because whatever media you trust is telling you so. I don’t trust any media on any side. the algorithms by which most media operates is “fear sells”. When you start reporting from your local stores and having hard time purchasing basic things or facing empty shelves continuously for long stretches of time, then report back here and we will discuss.

Except the US isn't cutting any deals and our products and services are being boycotted worldwide. Maybe YOU are the one who needs new sources of information.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Where does Heinz procure their ketchup bottles from?

All of the little plastic lids of every little piece of food we buy are made somewhere, not the US.

Most of our produce comes from central and south America.

Truckers won't deadhead their runs, so if there is nothing coming back, they won't go.


UPS is already seeing enough of a suspension of demand from retailers that they are laying off 20,000 drivers. What does that mean Amazon and Walmart are seeing?

So Heinz ketchup could go up a whole 5 cents. Wow. I remember when the left was fine with the price increases the last few years and now they are freaking out about pennies. So funny.

The cost of EACH INGREDIENT goes up because they are almost all imported.
And maybe they are able to procure the bottles or maybe they are not. Well find out in August if we can have ketchup for Labor Day BBQ's.

yeah the entire for-profit capitalism system is just going to collapse, Food companies will just stop selling food and close their doors, we will all starve especially when it comes to DCUM crowd, which isn’t the Prepper, homestead, bartering type

If they don't have containers to pack and ship the food in, if there are not truckers to deliver the product to stores, then it becomes a problem, no?

And why would we have no containers and no truckers? Where will they go?

Most of the containers or materials for containers are made in china
The truckers won't dead head one way, it isn't financially worth it for them.

1. We already have these containers, will they suddenly become broken and malfunction because China?
2. A lot of these containers are likely made here domestically. We do have metal working factories.
You would be surprised that we do manufacture a lot of stuff here in the USA. I had tried to bring a consumer product to market some years ago and found it difficult to procure a US based manufacturer for fine detail silicon/plastic type of designs, however there were many manufacturers producing plastic/silicon parts for infrastructure and medical industry. Your PVC plumbing stuff, gaskets, syringes, IV stuff, etc is manufactured here in the USA. Not to say some of it isn’t manufactured elsewhere, but we do have factories especially those dedicated to infrastructure, construction and medical industry.
3. When it comes to variety of consumer products and many “alphabet salad” Chinese “brands” on Amazon, these aren’t essentials and having fewer of these salad brands isn’t going to kill US economy or make our consumer destitute. If you have to pay 20 bucks for your phone case instead of 15 bucks or even 10 bucks you won’t go broke. You just wont’ be buying another one every 3 months simply to change colors. And these phone cases won’t disappear and become rare commodity. There isn’t enough customer base around the world for Chinese factories to completely boycott us to absorb all these products.

It's like whack-a-trumper. You will believe whatever Fox news tells you instead of doing any real world research.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Explain this to me like I’m 5, in the next two weeks, if I go to Walmart or Safeway, what goods will be missing?

So far the hyped up freak outs are understandable but I’m not seeing the reality of the tariffs.

When will I notice? I don’t eat avocados and I don’t need a new car .

Most of what you want or need will not be available and certainly not at prices you are accustomed to paying.

“Most”.. where all of this stuff going to go if China is supposedly the only manufacturer effecting these supply chains and still makes the stuff? Or do you believe China has shuttered most of its factories and fired millions of workers? If they aren’t sending the goods here, where are they sending the goods? You all make it sound like China holds us by the balls and doesn’t rely on our markets for their economy and simply just boycotted our market and stopped shipping us “most” of the stuff they used to, which is apparently.. nearly everything we consume.

I am not buying the whole empty ports narrative because obviously I cannot verify this for myself and whatever different media outlets say can be taken with a grain of salt, because no media is trustworthy and most of media outlets engage in propaganda. Fear also sells, so they are inclined to publish fear mongering headlines for more eyeballs.

First, Trump imposed tariffs on China in his first term, so he put China on notice that it had to diversify its trading partners away from the US. China heeded that notice and took considerable measures to diversify its export markets. The percentage of China's exports going to the US has declined since Trump's first term.

Second, the US started a trade war with every country in the world at the same time. Every country now knows that it can't trust the US as a trading partner. As a result, even China's enemy, Japan, has pulled closer to China to forge a stronger trading relationship. Europe, Australia, Canada, Latin America, and Africa are also talking to China about forging stronger relationships. So many of the exports that once went to the US will be redirected to other countries. Of course, trade wars hurt everybody, so China will definitely suffer along with the US and the rest of the world.

If China already reduced its exports then how did we manage to survive all these years? Who filled the gap?
You presented your personal opinion that other countries are massively going to consume all the Chinese remaining goods they had been sending to us and now suddenly and abruptly stopped. I do not see why they would do this if they haven’t depended on Chinese manufacturing before and if their economy relies on their own domestic manufacturing. You are essentially saying that other countries having observed how American workforce go f-ed over the last decades are going to say “yeah, let’s do the same here, our people can’t wait”?

The rest of the world is cutting trade deals with each other and not with the USA. The USA is putting itself on an island of its own making and US consumers and US workers are the ones who will be paying the price for decades to come.

That’s what you are told by whatever media outlet you subscribe to. Use your brain instead and think logically about every little craziness proposed here including complete disappearance of Ketchup from our shelves apparently by July 4. Other countries making deals with China isn’t new, there is no rational reason to believe that if this were in their interests they wouldn’t have embarked on such negotiations regardless who was in the White House. This also doesn’t preclude US making additional negotiations with other countries at the same time. You are simply not aware and don’t know exactly what’s going on, neither do I. You are here mentally masturbating about apocalyptic outcome because you want to believe it and because whatever media you trust is telling you so. I don’t trust any media on any side. the algorithms by which most media operates is “fear sells”. When you start reporting from your local stores and having hard time purchasing basic things or facing empty shelves continuously for long stretches of time, then report back here and we will discuss.

I don't live in the US, but I live in an industrialized country, so I will give you the perspective of someone outside the US.

The US used to be a reliable trading partner. Most Europeans, Australians, Canadians, Japanese and Koreans preferred to have a close trading relationship with the US rather than China because our values were more aligned.

The rapprochement toward China is a new development because all countries must trade to build wealth (including the US) and the world lost the US as a trading partner that can be trusted. Believe me, Europeans are wary of China, but they need a large country to send their goods to, so China is the next best thing.

Trump attacking its friends and foes has just made China stronger on the world stage.

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Anonymous wrote:Explain this to me like I’m 5, in the next two weeks, if I go to Walmart or Safeway, what goods will be missing?

So far the hyped up freak outs are understandable but I’m not seeing the reality of the tariffs.

When will I notice? I don’t eat avocados and I don’t need a new car .

Most of what you want or need will not be available and certainly not at prices you are accustomed to paying.

“Most”.. where all of this stuff going to go if China is supposedly the only manufacturer effecting these supply chains and still makes the stuff? Or do you believe China has shuttered most of its factories and fired millions of workers? If they aren’t sending the goods here, where are they sending the goods? You all make it sound like China holds us by the balls and doesn’t rely on our markets for their economy and simply just boycotted our market and stopped shipping us “most” of the stuff they used to, which is apparently.. nearly everything we consume.

I am not buying the whole empty ports narrative because obviously I cannot verify this for myself and whatever different media outlets say can be taken with a grain of salt, because no media is trustworthy and most of media outlets engage in propaganda. Fear also sells, so they are inclined to publish fear mongering headlines for more eyeballs.

So track the ships yourself.

"To track cargo ships heading towards the US, you can use online vessel tracking services that utilize the Automatic Identification System (AIS) data. Popular options include MarineTraffic, VesselFinder, and MyShipTracking. These services provide real-time maps and ship information, including location, speed, and course. "

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where does Heinz procure their ketchup bottles from?

All of the little plastic lids of every little piece of food we buy are made somewhere, not the US.

Most of our produce comes from central and south America.

Truckers won't deadhead their runs, so if there is nothing coming back, they won't go.


UPS is already seeing enough of a suspension of demand from retailers that they are laying off 20,000 drivers. What does that mean Amazon and Walmart are seeing?

So Heinz ketchup could go up a whole 5 cents. Wow. I remember when the left was fine with the price increases the last few years and now they are freaking out about pennies. So funny.

The cost of EACH INGREDIENT goes up because they are almost all imported.
And maybe they are able to procure the bottles or maybe they are not. Well find out in August if we can have ketchup for Labor Day BBQ's.

yeah the entire for-profit capitalism system is just going to collapse, Food companies will just stop selling food and close their doors, we will all starve especially when it comes to DCUM crowd, which isn’t the Prepper, homestead, bartering type

If they don't have containers to pack and ship the food in, if there are not truckers to deliver the product to stores, then it becomes a problem, no?

And why would we have no containers and no truckers? Where will they go?

Most of the containers or materials for containers are made in china
The truckers won't dead head one way, it isn't financially worth it for them.

1. We already have these containers, will they suddenly become broken and malfunction because China? Many large companies procure these plastic items from china because it is a lot cheaper. Moving that production and specifications domestically takes time, and sources the raw materials takes time. The consumers will pay for it in the long run and products may or may not be available in the short run
2. A lot of these containers are likely made here domestically. We do have metal working factories.
You would be surprised that we do manufacture a lot of stuff here in the USA. I had tried to bring a consumer product to market some years ago and found it difficult to procure a US based manufacturer for fine detail silicon/plastic type of designs, however there were many manufacturers producing plastic/silicon parts for infrastructure and medical industry. Your PVC plumbing stuff, gaskets, syringes, IV stuff, etc is manufactured here in the USA. Not to say some of it isn’t manufactured elsewhere, but we do have factories especially those dedicated to infrastructure, construction and medical industry. yes, we do have those domestically, but the manufacturing plants will need to retool to handle new products and they will need to source raw materials, which will now be more expensive which leads to...
3. When it comes to variety of consumer products and many “alphabet salad” Chinese “brands” on Amazon, these aren’t essentials and having fewer of these salad brands isn’t going to kill US economy or make our consumer destitute. If you have to pay 20 bucks for your phone case instead of 15 bucks or even 10 bucks you won’t go broke. maybe not on the $5 you reference, but start aggregating that $5 across multiple products and food containers and other items and it becomes a regressive tax. Sure YOU might be able to afford it, but there are a lot of Americans who won't be able to afford it. You just wont’ be buying another one every 3 months simply to change colors. And these phone cases won’t disappear and become rare commodity. There isn’t enough customer base around the world for Chinese factories to completely boycott us to absorb all these products.

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You know where you get a lot of the manufacturing machines needed to DO the manufacturing in the US?

China.

The company my DH works for manufacturers medical supplies here in the US. But guess where the raw materials come from? China. Guess where the replacement parts for the manufacturing machines come from? China. Guess where the production line machines come from? China.

[Anonymous]

Trump just went on TV and told people it's fine if Americans get less stuff because of tariff prices. People don't need stuff, he said.

Are we winning yet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You know where you get a lot of the manufacturing machines needed to DO the manufacturing in the US?

China.

The company my DH works for manufacturers medical supplies here in the US. But guess where the raw materials come from? China. Guess where the replacement parts for the manufacturing machines come from? China. Guess where the production line machines come from? China.

This is what happens when you have imbeciles leading the country and other imbeciles listening to them.

[Anonymous]

On the plus side we're learning just how week we are compared to China and how disastrous a war with them would be.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. I'm in Procurement for a major electronics manufacturer and I can tell you that the supply chain is already severely f'd up, Material costs in our sector are unsustainable. Ports like Long Beach and Seattle have laid off dock workers and truckers for lack of cargo. I can't imagine how small businesses are going to survive.

Small businesses aren't surviving. In the nonprofit world, where charitable works rely on the donations of those who have to help those who do not, we've had multiple donors who are small business owners let us know not to expect their usual donations because they are closing their businesses and are worried about making their personal ends meet.

Small businesses voted for Trump and are now suffering the consequences of their stupidity.

Well yeah. And sadly, hardest and fastest, because most can’t afford to lay in months of products in advance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump just went on TV and told people it's fine if Americans get less stuff because of tariff prices. People don't need stuff, he said.

Are we winning yet?

He literally sounds like a Communist. Mao would be blushing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump just went on TV and told people it's fine if Americans get less stuff because of tariff prices. People don't need stuff, he said.

Are we winning yet?

LOL but you know if a Democrat or liberal member of another country’s left-leaning parties said “hey stop buying so much, you don’t need all that stuff, it’s bad for the environment” people would be losing their s***.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where does Heinz procure their ketchup bottles from?

All of the little plastic lids of every little piece of food we buy are made somewhere, not the US.

Most of our produce comes from central and south America.

Truckers won't deadhead their runs, so if there is nothing coming back, they won't go.


UPS is already seeing enough of a suspension of demand from retailers that they are laying off 20,000 drivers. What does that mean Amazon and Walmart are seeing?

So Heinz ketchup could go up a whole 5 cents. Wow. I remember when the left was fine with the price increases the last few years and now they are freaking out about pennies. So funny.

The cost of EACH INGREDIENT goes up because they are almost all imported.
And maybe they are able to procure the bottles or maybe they are not. Well find out in August if we can have ketchup for Labor Day BBQ's.

yeah the entire for-profit capitalism system is just going to collapse, Food companies will just stop selling food and close their doors, we will all starve especially when it comes to DCUM crowd, which isn’t the Prepper, homestead, bartering type

If they don't have containers to pack and ship the food in, if there are not truckers to deliver the product to stores, then it becomes a problem, no?

And why would we have no containers and no truckers? Where will they go?

Most of the containers or materials for containers are made in china
The truckers won't dead head one way, it isn't financially worth it for them.

1. We already have these containers, will they suddenly become broken and malfunction because China?
2. A lot of these containers are likely made here domestically. We do have metal working factories.
You would be surprised that we do manufacture a lot of stuff here in the USA. I had tried to bring a consumer product to market some years ago and found it difficult to procure a US based manufacturer for fine detail silicon/plastic type of designs, however there were many manufacturers producing plastic/silicon parts for infrastructure and medical industry. Your PVC plumbing stuff, gaskets, syringes, IV stuff, etc is manufactured here in the USA. Not to say some of it isn’t manufactured elsewhere, but we do have factories especially those dedicated to infrastructure, construction and medical industry.
3. When it comes to variety of consumer products and many “alphabet salad” Chinese “brands” on Amazon, these aren’t essentials and having fewer of these salad brands isn’t going to kill US economy or make our consumer destitute. If you have to pay 20 bucks for your phone case instead of 15 bucks or even 10 bucks you won’t go broke. You just wont’ be buying another one every 3 months simply to change colors. And these phone cases won’t disappear and become rare commodity. There isn’t enough customer base around the world for Chinese factories to completely boycott us to absorb all these products.

It's like whack-a-trumper. You will believe whatever Fox news tells you instead of doing any real world research.

Do you even have anything else to say other than “Fox news” garbage? Are you 9?