resident aliens and first amendment

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:American Association of University Professors v. Rubio (D. Mass.)

Has survived the government's motion to dismiss related to the 1st amendment (5th amendment claims are dismissed). This relates directly to the actions taken against foreign students and academics who have voiced pro-Palestine opinions. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there are 1st amendment rights for non-citizens. Hard to grasp, I know.

Yes they have a right to voice their opinions. And as democrats loved spouting since 2016, using your right to free speech doesn’t absolve you of the consequences of that action. The government will not imprison anyone over speech, but it can have a noncitizen’s visa revoked.

No foreign national has an absolute right to be present in the US.

Comments like the above just show how MAGA doesn’t understand the basic concepts and ideas that we are discussing in the first place. The first amendment is clear. Government cannot “prohibit” or “abridge” free speech. Period. Trump is counting on the stupidity of the American people and it seems like the people are really going to give it to him.

They are free to say anything they want.

And the US government is allowed to revoke their visa if that speech is seen as a violation of their visa’s rules.

I get it. Foreign nationals have been allowed into this country and permitted to run wild forgetting they are guests here.

But that is coming to an end. Respect your host country, don’t break any laws, if you don’t agree with the government leave and protest it in your native country. It is very simple.

Once again, guests to this country are covered by the same First Amendment rights to free speech as US citizens. Let's review, shall we:

Non-citizens in the U.S., including undocumented immigrants, are protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution. This includes the rights to:

Free speech
Freedom of religion
Freedom of the press
Peaceful assembly
Petitioning the government

The U.S. Supreme Court has consistently held that these rights apply to "all persons" on U.S. soil—not just citizens—regardless of immigration status.

Can we give them guns too? Because I can't see anything wrong with arming the enemies of the US.

We're talking about the First Amendment, not the Second Amendment--keep up. Plus people from other countries are usually not as gun crazy as Americans.

PS. Visitors from other countries are not our enemies. Are you the enemy of any country you visit?

Why does the 1A apply but the 2A doesn't? The Constitution and Bill of Rights isn't ala carte.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not rocket science. If you're not a citizen, don't criticize Israel. If you can't accept that, then don't come here.

Are you a troll? Because I never got the memo that criticizing Israel is illegal. Is there some statute or regulation to that effect and if so, can you link to it?

If you hold a green card, you are a guest not a citizen. The rules are different. Is it really that hard to understand?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:American Association of University Professors v. Rubio (D. Mass.)

Has survived the government's motion to dismiss related to the 1st amendment (5th amendment claims are dismissed). This relates directly to the actions taken against foreign students and academics who have voiced pro-Palestine opinions. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there are 1st amendment rights for non-citizens. Hard to grasp, I know.

Yes they have a right to voice their opinions. And as democrats loved spouting since 2016, using your right to free speech doesn’t absolve you of the consequences of that action. The government will not imprison anyone over speech, but it can have a noncitizen’s visa revoked.

No foreign national has an absolute right to be present in the US.

Comments like the above just show how MAGA doesn’t understand the basic concepts and ideas that we are discussing in the first place. The first amendment is clear. Government cannot “prohibit” or “abridge” free speech. Period. Trump is counting on the stupidity of the American people and it seems like the people are really going to give it to him.

They are free to say anything they want.

And the US government is allowed to revoke their visa if that speech is seen as a violation of their visa’s rules.

I get it. Foreign nationals have been allowed into this country and permitted to run wild forgetting they are guests here.

But that is coming to an end. Respect your host country, don’t break any laws, if you don’t agree with the government leave and protest it in your native country. It is very simple.

Once again, guests to this country are covered by the same First Amendment rights to free speech as US citizens. Let's review, shall we:

Non-citizens in the U.S., including undocumented immigrants, are protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution. This includes the rights to:

Free speech
Freedom of religion
Freedom of the press
Peaceful assembly
Petitioning the government

The U.S. Supreme Court has consistently held that these rights apply to "all persons" on U.S. soil—not just citizens—regardless of immigration status.

Can we give them guns too? Because I can't see anything wrong with arming the enemies of the US.

We're talking about the First Amendment, not the Second Amendment--keep up. Plus people from other countries are usually not as gun crazy as Americans.

PS. Visitors from other countries are not our enemies. Are you the enemy of any country you visit?

Why does the 1A apply but the 2A doesn't? The Constitution and Bill of Rights isn't ala carte.

What about political donations. Can foreign nationals donate money to political campaigns?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:American Association of University Professors v. Rubio (D. Mass.)

Has survived the government's motion to dismiss related to the 1st amendment (5th amendment claims are dismissed). This relates directly to the actions taken against foreign students and academics who have voiced pro-Palestine opinions. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there are 1st amendment rights for non-citizens. Hard to grasp, I know.

Yes they have a right to voice their opinions. And as democrats loved spouting since 2016, using your right to free speech doesn’t absolve you of the consequences of that action. The government will not imprison anyone over speech, but it can have a noncitizen’s visa revoked.

No foreign national has an absolute right to be present in the US.

Comments like the above just show how MAGA doesn’t understand the basic concepts and ideas that we are discussing in the first place. The first amendment is clear. Government cannot “prohibit” or “abridge” free speech. Period. Trump is counting on the stupidity of the American people and it seems like the people are really going to give it to him.

They are free to say anything they want.

And the US government is allowed to revoke their visa if that speech is seen as a violation of their visa’s rules.

I get it. Foreign nationals have been allowed into this country and permitted to run wild forgetting they are guests here.

But that is coming to an end. Respect your host country, don’t break any laws, if you don’t agree with the government leave and protest it in your native country. It is very simple.

Once again, guests to this country are covered by the same First Amendment rights to free speech as US citizens. Let's review, shall we:

Non-citizens in the U.S., including undocumented immigrants, are protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution. This includes the rights to:

Free speech
Freedom of religion
Freedom of the press
Peaceful assembly
Petitioning the government

The U.S. Supreme Court has consistently held that these rights apply to "all persons" on U.S. soil—not just citizens—regardless of immigration status.

Can we give them guns too? Because I can't see anything wrong with arming the enemies of the US.

We're talking about the First Amendment, not the Second Amendment--keep up. Plus people from other countries are usually not as gun crazy as Americans.

PS. Visitors from other countries are not our enemies. Are you the enemy of any country you visit?

Why does the 1A apply but the 2A doesn't? The Constitution and Bill of Rights isn't ala carte.

Legal aliens do have Second Amendment rights and are not prohibited from purchasing firearms.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-aliens-legally-united-states-purchase-firearms

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not rocket science. If you're not a citizen, don't criticize Israel. If you can't accept that, then don't come here.

Are you a troll? Because I never got the memo that criticizing Israel is illegal. Is there some statute or regulation to that effect and if so, can you link to it?

The McCarran-Walter Act of 1952, known formally as the Immigration Nationality Act of 1952, empowers the secretary of state to expel foreign nationals

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not rocket science. If you're not a citizen, don't criticize Israel. If you can't accept that, then don't come here.

Are you a troll? Because I never got the memo that criticizing Israel is illegal. Is there some statute or regulation to that effect and if so, can you link to it?

If you hold a green card, you are a guest not a citizen. The rules are different. Is it really that hard to understand?

Nope. Green card holder is a permanent resident not a guest. What part of “permanent” do you not understand?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not rocket science. If you're not a citizen, don't criticize Israel. If you can't accept that, then don't come here.

Are you a troll? Because I never got the memo that criticizing Israel is illegal. Is there some statute or regulation to that effect and if so, can you link to it?

If you hold a green card, you are a guest not a citizen. The rules are different. Is it really that hard to understand?

Nope. Green card holder is a permanent resident not a guest. What part of “permanent” do you not understand?

DP.

“Permanent” but only conditionally. They are subject to removal under immigration laws.

Unlike citizens. So the PP is correct that there’s a substantial legal difference between a citizen and a green card holder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not rocket science. If you're not a citizen, don't criticize Israel. If you can't accept that, then don't come here.

Are you a troll? Because I never got the memo that criticizing Israel is illegal. Is there some statute or regulation to that effect and if so, can you link to it?

If you hold a green card, you are a guest not a citizen. The rules are different. Is it really that hard to understand?

Nope. Green card holder is a permanent resident not a guest. What part of “permanent” do you not understand?

DP.

“Permanent” but only conditionally. They are subject to removal under immigration laws.

Unlike citizens. So the PP is correct that there’s a substantial legal difference between a citizen and a green card holder.

Green card holder is still "Citizen of other country".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not rocket science. If you're not a citizen, don't criticize Israel. If you can't accept that, then don't come here.

Are you a troll? Because I never got the memo that criticizing Israel is illegal. Is there some statute or regulation to that effect and if so, can you link to it?

If you hold a green card, you are a guest not a citizen. The rules are different. Is it really that hard to understand?

Nope. Green card holder is a permanent resident not a guest. What part of “permanent” do you not understand?

DP.

“Permanent” but only conditionally. They are subject to removal under immigration laws.

Unlike citizens. So the PP is correct that there’s a substantial legal difference between a citizen and a green card holder.

Where is it spelled out in those immigration laws that expressed opinions are enough to make you subject to removal?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not rocket science. If you're not a citizen, don't criticize Israel. If you can't accept that, then don't come here.

Are you a troll? Because I never got the memo that criticizing Israel is illegal. Is there some statute or regulation to that effect and if so, can you link to it?

If you hold a green card, you are a guest not a citizen. The rules are different. Is it really that hard to understand?

Nope. Green card holder is a permanent resident not a guest. What part of “permanent” do you not understand?

DP.

“Permanent” but only conditionally. They are subject to removal under immigration laws.

Unlike citizens. So the PP is correct that there’s a substantial legal difference between a citizen and a green card holder.

Where is it spelled out in those immigration laws that expressed opinions are enough to make you subject to removal?

8 USC 1182, as incorporated by 8 USC 1227

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not rocket science. If you're not a citizen, don't criticize Israel. If you can't accept that, then don't come here.

Are you a troll? Because I never got the memo that criticizing Israel is illegal. Is there some statute or regulation to that effect and if so, can you link to it?

If you hold a green card, you are a guest not a citizen. The rules are different. Is it really that hard to understand?

Nope. Green card holder is a permanent resident not a guest. What part of “permanent” do you not understand?

DP.

“Permanent” but only conditionally. They are subject to removal under immigration laws.

Unlike citizens. So the PP is correct that there’s a substantial legal difference between a citizen and a green card holder.

Where is it spelled out in those immigration laws that expressed opinions are enough to make you subject to removal?

8 USC 1182, as incorporated by 8 USC 1227

What section and subsections are you referring to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not rocket science. If you're not a citizen, don't criticize Israel. If you can't accept that, then don't come here.

Are you a troll? Because I never got the memo that criticizing Israel is illegal. Is there some statute or regulation to that effect and if so, can you link to it?

If you hold a green card, you are a guest not a citizen. The rules are different. Is it really that hard to understand?

Nope. Green card holder is a permanent resident not a guest. What part of “permanent” do you not understand?

DP.

“Permanent” but only conditionally. They are subject to removal under immigration laws.

Unlike citizens. So the PP is correct that there’s a substantial legal difference between a citizen and a green card holder.

Where is it spelled out in those immigration laws that expressed opinions are enough to make you subject to removal?

8 USC 1182, as incorporated by 8 USC 1227

What section and subsections are you referring to?

1227 (4)(B) and (4)(C)i, as well as the incorporated provisions of 1182.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:American Association of University Professors v. Rubio (D. Mass.)

Has survived the government's motion to dismiss related to the 1st amendment (5th amendment claims are dismissed). This relates directly to the actions taken against foreign students and academics who have voiced pro-Palestine opinions. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there are 1st amendment rights for non-citizens. Hard to grasp, I know.

Yes they have a right to voice their opinions. And as democrats loved spouting since 2016, using your right to free speech doesn’t absolve you of the consequences of that action. The government will not imprison anyone over speech, but it can have a noncitizen’s visa revoked.

No foreign national has an absolute right to be present in the US.

This is correct. If your exercise of Free Speech violates one of the conditions of your visa or permanent residency status, those can be revoked.

No it’s not. What about “Congress shall make no law” do you people not understand? I find it very hard to believe you all are as stupid as you are pretending to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:American Association of University Professors v. Rubio (D. Mass.)

Has survived the government's motion to dismiss related to the 1st amendment (5th amendment claims are dismissed). This relates directly to the actions taken against foreign students and academics who have voiced pro-Palestine opinions. Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, there are 1st amendment rights for non-citizens. Hard to grasp, I know.

Yes they have a right to voice their opinions. And as democrats loved spouting since 2016, using your right to free speech doesn’t absolve you of the consequences of that action. The government will not imprison anyone over speech, but it can have a noncitizen’s visa revoked.

No foreign national has an absolute right to be present in the US.

This is correct. If your exercise of Free Speech violates one of the conditions of your visa or permanent residency status, those can be revoked.

No it’s not. What about “Congress shall make no law” do you people not understand? I find it very hard to believe you all are as stupid as you are pretending to be.

Your certitude is unwarranted. Not at all clear the extent to which 1st Amendment applies.

Don’t believe me? Perhaps you’ll find the Harvard Law Review more persuasive:

https://journals.law.harvard.edu/crcl/wp-content/uploads/sites/80/2015/07/The-First-Amendment-after-Reno-v.-American-Arab-Anti-Discrimination-Committee-A-Different-Bill-of-Rights-for-Aliens.pdf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not rocket science. If you're not a citizen, don't criticize Israel. If you can't accept that, then don't come here.

This is utter insanity. Don't come to the US and criticize another country? How on earth does anyone think that's ok?

Agree. A standard of Don't come to the US and criticize it is understandable and logical. Whether it is good policy or constitutional is debatable but at least one can understand the idea. But why should criticizing Israel, here in the US, be prohibited? What is the rationale?

There is a difference from being critical and participating actively in protests. And, many of those protests involved blocking students from attending class. One of those protests held janitors hostage in a building.

But, even so, if you want to criticize us and change us, why do you want to be here?

Half the country disagrees with the other half. That difference is reflected in the makeup of Congress but not the presidency. So whatever you are criticizing and wanting to change (there are plenty of RW visitors and immigrants) half the people will disagree with you. And right now more than half the population disapproves of Israel's conduct in Gaza. Yes, those who disapprove include people with extreme rightwing or leftwing views, but certainly the "policy" of the United States towards Israel is not the monolith Trump pretends it to be. If we all wanted to level Gaza and kick whoever manages to survive out, visitors who don't agree with that wouldn't be likely to visit or immigrate anyway.