NFL Commanders building $3bn new stadium in Ward 7 on the old RFK site

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Anonymous wrote:They want an 8000 car parking complex AND a metro stop (that they won’t pay for). Nope. I’m in favor of the stadium but with only the amount of parking that we have at the Nationals stadium (around 1800 I believe). It would be an absolute crime to hog up that land with parking garages for that sit empty except for 8 days/year.

Why would they need a new Metro stop? There’s one there already.

Federal handout for WMATA. Congress will be asked to fund it, they will fund 80%, and the localities will be forced to pick up the remainder.

That doesn’t answer the question as to why a new Metro stop is needed. It isn’t.

+1 This was my question and I still don’t understand why you would need one and where it would go. The new stadium isn’t much bigger (10,000 seats?) than RFK, it looks to be situated in the same part of the site, and the one Metro station was always sufficient even for sold out games there - I went to a lot of them. Do they want one halfway between Potomac Avenue and Stadium-Armory, at the entrance to the DC Jail? Or north further into Kingman Park?

I believe a metro stop was proposed years ago for Kingman Park at the corner of Oklahoma and Benning, but the neighborhood opposed. If there, it could meet the bus/streetcar commuters that come down H St/NOMA. I used to live in KP so really wished there was one there, would be nice for the neighborhood if they did add one. Honestly wouldn't even be that hard, they just need to adjust the tunnel slightly under the parking lot/fields, not like they would have to navigate it around existing housing.

Man I bet I know exactly the type of “neighbors” who opposed this.

?? this would have been quite a long time ago. Like before I was born.

Not necessarily. The NOMA Metro station is fairly new.

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Seems like MD's republican congressional reps are trying to block DC's ability to use its own funds to lure the Commanders. Just heard an interview with Andy Harris talking about how DC shouldn't be able to have the billion dollars currently blocked from use to fund a stadium

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I wonder how the construction of the stadium to alter traffic- related old be curious to know how they plan to handle a major construction project in such a high traffic area.

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Anonymous wrote:Nadeau and Allen's constituents overwhelmingly want a stadium and want the Clowncil to make it happen. Still arrogant & condescending Charles and Brianne know best. And they have the records to prove it: look at how their wards have thrived under their leadership. The best evidence that the stadium deal is great for the City is that Allen and Nadeau are against it. They have proven themselves time after time after time to he best contra indicators this city has.

If they're against it then can we get rid of the bike lanes, "attainable" housing, and undersized parking requirements?

The gall of them both is incomprehensible. Hundreds of millions are already being spent on their pet projects as a sweetener.

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Anonymous wrote:They want an 8000 car parking complex AND a metro stop (that they won’t pay for). Nope. I’m in favor of the stadium but with only the amount of parking that we have at the Nationals stadium (around 1800 I believe). It would be an absolute crime to hog up that land with parking garages for that sit empty except for 8 days/year.

Why would they need a new Metro stop? There’s one there already.

Federal handout for WMATA. Congress will be asked to fund it, they will fund 80%, and the localities will be forced to pick up the remainder.

That doesn’t answer the question as to why a new Metro stop is needed. It isn’t.

+1 This was my question and I still don’t understand why you would need one and where it would go. The new stadium isn’t much bigger (10,000 seats?) than RFK, it looks to be situated in the same part of the site, and the one Metro station was always sufficient even for sold out games there - I went to a lot of them. Do they want one halfway between Potomac Avenue and Stadium-Armory, at the entrance to the DC Jail? Or north further into Kingman Park?

I believe a metro stop was proposed years ago for Kingman Park at the corner of Oklahoma and Benning, but the neighborhood opposed. If there, it could meet the bus/streetcar commuters that come down H St/NOMA. I used to live in KP so really wished there was one there, would be nice for the neighborhood if they did add one. Honestly wouldn't even be that hard, they just need to adjust the tunnel slightly under the parking lot/fields, not like they would have to navigate it around existing housing.

Man I bet I know exactly the type of “neighbors” who opposed this.

Likely the same type as those that demand no parking nowadays.

No one I know of is demanding "no parking." Rather, the movement is to let developers provide the amount of parking they think is appropriate, not requiring them to include more parking than they want to build.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/free-parking-reform
"Those laws, also referred to as parking minimums or mandates, blanket municipal codes in the United States, forcing builders to include a substantial quantity of parking with every new home, office, shop, or school. Those parking spaces cost a lot of money to build, and they sit empty most of the time."

Parking is essential infrastructure, just like roads, and the metro. When do developers ever willingly cover their share of infrastructure required for a development?? Parking minimums ensure that developers don’t screw over the community and that they internalize the societal cost of their development decisions. Eliminating development standards and zoning forces the community and local governments to bear 100% impact on public infrastructure associated with new development. Developers don’t care how much parking is actually needed to adequately service their stadium. They will build the absolute bare minimum and extort consumers by charging people $50 to park cars on days they have events. Then the surrounding neighborhood and communities experience the consequences when residents suffer from an epidemic of illegal street parking and businesses cannot find parking for their employees.

I'm fine with them charging $50 per spot if the city enforces parking restrictions on game days and tows violators.

Of course you are. That way you get to reap the rewards of monopoly pricing and have the state enforce your monopoly.

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Anonymous wrote:They want an 8000 car parking complex AND a metro stop (that they won’t pay for). Nope. I’m in favor of the stadium but with only the amount of parking that we have at the Nationals stadium (around 1800 I believe). It would be an absolute crime to hog up that land with parking garages for that sit empty except for 8 days/year.

Why would they need a new Metro stop? There’s one there already.

Federal handout for WMATA. Congress will be asked to fund it, they will fund 80%, and the localities will be forced to pick up the remainder.

That doesn’t answer the question as to why a new Metro stop is needed. It isn’t.

+1 This was my question and I still don’t understand why you would need one and where it would go. The new stadium isn’t much bigger (10,000 seats?) than RFK, it looks to be situated in the same part of the site, and the one Metro station was always sufficient even for sold out games there - I went to a lot of them. Do they want one halfway between Potomac Avenue and Stadium-Armory, at the entrance to the DC Jail? Or north further into Kingman Park?

I believe a metro stop was proposed years ago for Kingman Park at the corner of Oklahoma and Benning, but the neighborhood opposed. If there, it could meet the bus/streetcar commuters that come down H St/NOMA. I used to live in KP so really wished there was one there, would be nice for the neighborhood if they did add one. Honestly wouldn't even be that hard, they just need to adjust the tunnel slightly under the parking lot/fields, not like they would have to navigate it around existing housing.

Man I bet I know exactly the type of “neighbors” who opposed this.

Likely the same type as those that demand no parking nowadays.

No one I know of is demanding "no parking." Rather, the movement is to let developers provide the amount of parking they think is appropriate, not requiring them to include more parking than they want to build.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/free-parking-reform
"Those laws, also referred to as parking minimums or mandates, blanket municipal codes in the United States, forcing builders to include a substantial quantity of parking with every new home, office, shop, or school. Those parking spaces cost a lot of money to build, and they sit empty most of the time."

Parking is essential infrastructure, just like roads, and the metro. When do developers ever willingly cover their share of infrastructure required for a development?? Parking minimums ensure that developers don’t screw over the community and that they internalize the societal cost of their development decisions. Eliminating development standards and zoning forces the community and local governments to bear 100% impact on public infrastructure associated with new development. Developers don’t care how much parking is actually needed to adequately service their stadium. They will build the absolute bare minimum and extort consumers by charging people $50 to park cars on days they have events. Then the surrounding neighborhood and communities experience the consequences when residents suffer from an epidemic of illegal street parking and businesses cannot find parking for their employees.

I'm fine with them charging $50 per spot if the city enforces parking restrictions on game days and tows violators.

Of course you are. That way you get to reap the rewards of monopoly pricing and have the state enforce your monopoly.

What are you talking about? I don't get the rewards from monopoly pricing, and I don't have any hold on the monopoly there. I live clear across the city from the stadium. But I don't really care how much they charge to park — if it's $50, I'll probably take Metro to attend games there.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like MD's republican congressional reps are trying to block DC's ability to use its own funds to lure the Commanders. Just heard an interview with Andy Harris talking about how DC shouldn't be able to have the billion dollars currently blocked from use to fund a stadium

Why would he do this? It really doesn’t make sense, if he wants to cut federal spending, he should be supportive of the DC metro area diversifying its economy
. Where are his constituents going to work lol? It seems like he wants people to be unemployed.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like MD's republican congressional reps are trying to block DC's ability to use its own funds to lure the Commanders. Just heard an interview with Andy Harris talking about how DC shouldn't be able to have the billion dollars currently blocked from use to fund a stadium

Why would he do this? It really doesn’t make sense, if he wants to cut federal spending, he should be supportive of the DC metro area diversifying its economy
. Where are his constituents going to work lol? It seems like he wants people to be unemployed.

Because he doesn't want a useless stadium that isn't subsidized by the football team. Even though it's only 8 or so days a year, those days are very profitable. The naming rights become worthless ane you can't sell ads in a stadium no one visits.

It will turn into another USAir Arena. Two failed commercial redevelopments so far.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like MD's republican congressional reps are trying to block DC's ability to use its own funds to lure the Commanders. Just heard an interview with Andy Harris talking about how DC shouldn't be able to have the billion dollars currently blocked from use to fund a stadium

Why would he do this? It really doesn’t make sense, if he wants to cut federal spending, he should be supportive of the DC metro area diversifying its economy
. Where are his constituents going to work lol? It seems like he wants people to be unemployed.

Because he doesn't want a useless stadium that isn't subsidized by the football team. Even though it's only 8 or so days a year, those days are very profitable. The naming rights become worthless ane you can't sell ads in a stadium no one visits.

It will turn into another USAir Arena. Two failed commercial redevelopments so far.

Hahaha, lol. Andy Harris doesn't care about PGC either. He's just an ahole that hates DC. He's the Ted Cruz of the tea party. This isn't his first rodeo.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like MD's republican congressional reps are trying to block DC's ability to use its own funds to lure the Commanders. Just heard an interview with Andy Harris talking about how DC shouldn't be able to have the billion dollars currently blocked from use to fund a stadium

Why would he do this? It really doesn’t make sense, if he wants to cut federal spending, he should be supportive of the DC metro area diversifying its economy
. Where are his constituents going to work lol? It seems like he wants people to be unemployed.

Because he doesn't want a useless stadium that isn't subsidized by the football team. Even though it's only 8 or so days a year, those days are very profitable. The naming rights become worthless ane you can't sell ads in a stadium no one visits.

It will turn into another USAir Arena. Two failed commercial redevelopments so far.

I believe the Commanders are actually on the hook to redevelop FedEx Field if they move, too. Maryland should hold them to that.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like MD's republican congressional reps are trying to block DC's ability to use its own funds to lure the Commanders. Just heard an interview with Andy Harris talking about how DC shouldn't be able to have the billion dollars currently blocked from use to fund a stadium

For the the first time ever, I agree with Andy Harris: D.C. should not use this particular billion dollars to fund a stadium. But that's because we should be able to use those billion dollars to fund the operating expenses they were budgeted to cover.

I'd also prefer if D.C. spent $0 to fund a stadium — I think the Commanders' owners are quite capable of paying the full cost themselves — but I doubt Andy Harris agrees with me on that as a general principal.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like MD's republican congressional reps are trying to block DC's ability to use its own funds to lure the Commanders. Just heard an interview with Andy Harris talking about how DC shouldn't be able to have the billion dollars currently blocked from use to fund a stadium

Why would he do this? It really doesn’t make sense, if he wants to cut federal spending, he should be supportive of the DC metro area diversifying its economy
. Where are his constituents going to work lol? It seems like he wants people to be unemployed.

Because he doesn't want a useless stadium that isn't subsidized by the football team. Even though it's only 8 or so days a year, those days are very profitable. The naming rights become worthless ane you can't sell ads in a stadium no one visits.

It will turn into another USAir Arena. Two failed commercial redevelopments so far.

I believe the Commanders are actually on the hook to redevelop FedEx Field if they move, too. Maryland should hold them to that.

That’s my recollection as well. It’s not just going to stay there as an empty hulk.

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Anonymous wrote:They want an 8000 car parking complex AND a metro stop (that they won’t pay for). Nope. I’m in favor of the stadium but with only the amount of parking that we have at the Nationals stadium (around 1800 I believe). It would be an absolute crime to hog up that land with parking garages for that sit empty except for 8 days/year.

Why would they need a new Metro stop? There’s one there already.

Federal handout for WMATA. Congress will be asked to fund it, they will fund 80%, and the localities will be forced to pick up the remainder.

That doesn’t answer the question as to why a new Metro stop is needed. It isn’t.

+1 This was my question and I still don’t understand why you would need one and where it would go. The new stadium isn’t much bigger (10,000 seats?) than RFK, it looks to be situated in the same part of the site, and the one Metro station was always sufficient even for sold out games there - I went to a lot of them. Do they want one halfway between Potomac Avenue and Stadium-Armory, at the entrance to the DC Jail? Or north further into Kingman Park?

I believe a metro stop was proposed years ago for Kingman Park at the corner of Oklahoma and Benning, but the neighborhood opposed. If there, it could meet the bus/streetcar commuters that come down H St/NOMA. I used to live in KP so really wished there was one there, would be nice for the neighborhood if they did add one. Honestly wouldn't even be that hard, they just need to adjust the tunnel slightly under the parking lot/fields, not like they would have to navigate it around existing housing.

Man I bet I know exactly the type of “neighbors” who opposed this.

Likely the same type as those that demand no parking nowadays.

No one I know of is demanding "no parking." Rather, the movement is to let developers provide the amount of parking they think is appropriate, not requiring them to include more parking than they want to build.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/free-parking-reform
"Those laws, also referred to as parking minimums or mandates, blanket municipal codes in the United States, forcing builders to include a substantial quantity of parking with every new home, office, shop, or school. Those parking spaces cost a lot of money to build, and they sit empty most of the time."

Parking is essential infrastructure, just like roads, and the metro. When do developers ever willingly cover their share of infrastructure required for a development?? Parking minimums ensure that developers don’t screw over the community and that they internalize the societal cost of their development decisions. Eliminating development standards and zoning forces the community and local governments to bear 100% impact on public infrastructure associated with new development. Developers don’t care how much parking is actually needed to adequately service their stadium. They will build the absolute bare minimum and extort consumers by charging people $50 to park cars on days they have events. Then the surrounding neighborhood and communities experience the consequences when residents suffer from an epidemic of illegal street parking and businesses cannot find parking for their employees.

I'm fine with them charging $50 per spot if the city enforces parking restrictions on game days and tows violators.

LOL it's going to be more than $50/spot on game day. These garages will be such a mess, guarantee it will be a 2+ hour wait to exit the garages on game day. It's one road in & out.

Good luck suburbanites too scared to take the Metro!

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like MD's republican congressional reps are trying to block DC's ability to use its own funds to lure the Commanders. Just heard an interview with Andy Harris talking about how DC shouldn't be able to have the billion dollars currently blocked from use to fund a stadium

For the the first time ever, I agree with Andy Harris: D.C. should not use this particular billion dollars to fund a stadium. But that's because we should be able to use those billion dollars to fund the operating expenses they were budgeted to cover.

I'd also prefer if D.C. spent $0 to fund a stadium — I think the Commanders' owners are quite capable of paying the full cost themselves — but I doubt Andy Harris agrees with me on that as a general principal.

Josh Harris is paying the full cost of building the stadium. DC on the other hand is paying the cost to develop the surrounding land, including DPR facilities, bike lanes and infrastructure for the new housing. Heck, the Anacostia trail expenses in the current budget are part of the deal.

What line item costs in the current proposal do you think DC should not pay? We're not paying anything for construction of the stadium itself. That $1 billion is for the "attainable" housing, park facilities and "multi-modal" transportation.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like MD's republican congressional reps are trying to block DC's ability to use its own funds to lure the Commanders. Just heard an interview with Andy Harris talking about how DC shouldn't be able to have the billion dollars currently blocked from use to fund a stadium

Why would he do this? It really doesn’t make sense, if he wants to cut federal spending, he should be supportive of the DC metro area diversifying its economy
. Where are his constituents going to work lol? It seems like he wants people to be unemployed.

Because he doesn't want a useless stadium that isn't subsidized by the football team. Even though it's only 8 or so days a year, those days are very profitable. The naming rights become worthless ane you can't sell ads in a stadium no one visits.

It will turn into another USAir Arena. Two failed commercial redevelopments so far.

I believe the Commanders are actually on the hook to redevelop FedEx Field if they move, too. Maryland should hold them to that.

Declare bankruptcy and form a new owners group. GM did it.