NFL Commanders building $3bn new stadium in Ward 7 on the old RFK site

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Anonymous wrote:This has turned every sports bro into an economist and GGW into a bunch of NIMBYs.

let me guess...they say "NeEdS mOrE hOuSiNg", while ignoring the fact that a whole neighborhood is going to be built that was never going to exist otherwise

Nobody's opposing a new neighborhood. The question is whether there will be a huge stadium and even larger parking lot displacing thousands of additional units of housing that could be built in that neighborhood. Developers will be eager to build either way.

Who owns the land on which the housing will be built?

The federal government transferred the land to DC in the most recent omnibus IIRC. Links in the more recent posts in the older thread here: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1145914.page

Is the DC government going to lease the land to developers for the low-income housing along the waterfront? Is DC selling the land to the developers?

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Anonymous wrote:God, this is so stupid. The last thing DC needs is a fancy new stadium.

Actually the last thing the WORLD needs is a stadium. Ridiculous.

Absolutely.

The number of unhoused people (including unhoused families) in DC is astronomically high; surely DOGE’s RIFs will vastly increase the number of unhoused very very soon.

For all the $$$ wasted on this stupid stadium folly, just think of the number of homes we could provide to our less fortunate neighbors and friends.

The number of homeless people in DC is high because the benefits are higher than they are anywhere else in the region.

There's also a lot of housing planned as part of this development.

Along the waterfront. Perfect for low-income or subsidized housing!

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Anonymous wrote:God, this is so stupid. The last thing DC needs is a fancy new stadium.

Actually the last thing the WORLD needs is a stadium. Ridiculous.

Absolutely.

The number of unhoused people (including unhoused families) in DC is astronomically high; surely DOGE’s RIFs will vastly increase the number of unhoused very very soon.

For all the $$$ wasted on this stupid stadium folly, just think of the number of homes we could provide to our less fortunate neighbors and friends.

The number of homeless people in DC is high because the benefits are higher than they are anywhere else in the region.

There's also a lot of housing planned as part of this development.

Along the waterfront. Perfect for low-income or subsidized housing!

The project has every buzzword you love. Don't look a gifthorse in the mouth.

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Anonymous wrote:They want an 8000 car parking complex AND a metro stop (that they won’t pay for). Nope. I’m in favor of the stadium but with only the amount of parking that we have at the Nationals stadium (around 1800 I believe). It would be an absolute crime to hog up that land with parking garages for that sit empty except for 8 days/year.

Why would they need a new Metro stop? There’s one there already.

Federal handout for WMATA. Congress will be asked to fund it, they will fund 80%, and the localities will be forced to pick up the remainder.

That doesn’t answer the question as to why a new Metro stop is needed. It isn’t.

+1 This was my question and I still don’t understand why you would need one and where it would go. The new stadium isn’t much bigger (10,000 seats?) than RFK, it looks to be situated in the same part of the site, and the one Metro station was always sufficient even for sold out games there - I went to a lot of them. Do they want one halfway between Potomac Avenue and Stadium-Armory, at the entrance to the DC Jail? Or north further into Kingman Park?

I believe a metro stop was proposed years ago for Kingman Park at the corner of Oklahoma and Benning, but the neighborhood opposed. If there, it could meet the bus/streetcar commuters that come down H St/NOMA. I used to live in KP so really wished there was one there, would be nice for the neighborhood if they did add one. Honestly wouldn't even be that hard, they just need to adjust the tunnel slightly under the parking lot/fields, not like they would have to navigate it around existing housing.

Man I bet I know exactly the type of “neighbors” who opposed this.

?? this would have been quite a long time ago. Like before I was born.

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Anonymous wrote:They want an 8000 car parking complex AND a metro stop (that they won’t pay for). Nope. I’m in favor of the stadium but with only the amount of parking that we have at the Nationals stadium (around 1800 I believe). It would be an absolute crime to hog up that land with parking garages for that sit empty except for 8 days/year.

Why would they need a new Metro stop? There’s one there already.

Federal handout for WMATA. Congress will be asked to fund it, they will fund 80%, and the localities will be forced to pick up the remainder.

That doesn’t answer the question as to why a new Metro stop is needed. It isn’t.

+1 This was my question and I still don’t understand why you would need one and where it would go. The new stadium isn’t much bigger (10,000 seats?) than RFK, it looks to be situated in the same part of the site, and the one Metro station was always sufficient even for sold out games there - I went to a lot of them. Do they want one halfway between Potomac Avenue and Stadium-Armory, at the entrance to the DC Jail? Or north further into Kingman Park?

I believe a metro stop was proposed years ago for Kingman Park at the corner of Oklahoma and Benning, but the neighborhood opposed. If there, it could meet the bus/streetcar commuters that come down H St/NOMA. I used to live in KP so really wished there was one there, would be nice for the neighborhood if they did add one. Honestly wouldn't even be that hard, they just need to adjust the tunnel slightly under the parking lot/fields, not like they would have to navigate it around existing housing.

Man I bet I know exactly the type of “neighbors” who opposed this.

Likely the same type as those that demand no parking nowadays.

Ha ha no, good try though.

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Anonymous wrote:They want an 8000 car parking complex AND a metro stop (that they won’t pay for). Nope. I’m in favor of the stadium but with only the amount of parking that we have at the Nationals stadium (around 1800 I believe). It would be an absolute crime to hog up that land with parking garages for that sit empty except for 8 days/year.

Project of this size needs ample parking, more so in towns where there is a shortage.

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Anonymous wrote:Too much crime in DC to go to a football game. We stop going the the Hockey games and Baseball games from all the crime we have to tolerate on the streets and on the Metro. We can't visit a restaurant after a game without someone asking for money. Then we hope our car is not broken into or damaged when we get to it.

Sounds like it's not the crime but the FEAR of crime. I've lived in DC for 25 years and never experienced any crime beyond a stolen bike. I'm not saying there's none, just that your fear is far more of an issue than the actual crime risk.

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Anonymous wrote:They want an 8000 car parking complex AND a metro stop (that they won’t pay for). Nope. I’m in favor of the stadium but with only the amount of parking that we have at the Nationals stadium (around 1800 I believe). It would be an absolute crime to hog up that land with parking garages for that sit empty except for 8 days/year.

Why would they need a new Metro stop? There’s one there already.

Federal handout for WMATA. Congress will be asked to fund it, they will fund 80%, and the localities will be forced to pick up the remainder.

That doesn’t answer the question as to why a new Metro stop is needed. It isn’t.

+1 This was my question and I still don’t understand why you would need one and where it would go. The new stadium isn’t much bigger (10,000 seats?) than RFK, it looks to be situated in the same part of the site, and the one Metro station was always sufficient even for sold out games there - I went to a lot of them. Do they want one halfway between Potomac Avenue and Stadium-Armory, at the entrance to the DC Jail? Or north further into Kingman Park?

I believe a metro stop was proposed years ago for Kingman Park at the corner of Oklahoma and Benning, but the neighborhood opposed. If there, it could meet the bus/streetcar commuters that come down H St/NOMA. I used to live in KP so really wished there was one there, would be nice for the neighborhood if they did add one. Honestly wouldn't even be that hard, they just need to adjust the tunnel slightly under the parking lot/fields, not like they would have to navigate it around existing housing.

Man I bet I know exactly the type of “neighbors” who opposed this.

Likely the same type as those that demand no parking nowadays.

No one I know of is demanding "no parking." Rather, the movement is to let developers provide the amount of parking they think is appropriate, not requiring them to include more parking than they want to build.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/free-parking-reform
"Those laws, also referred to as parking minimums or mandates, blanket municipal codes in the United States, forcing builders to include a substantial quantity of parking with every new home, office, shop, or school. Those parking spaces cost a lot of money to build, and they sit empty most of the time."

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Anonymous wrote:They want an 8000 car parking complex AND a metro stop (that they won’t pay for). Nope. I’m in favor of the stadium but with only the amount of parking that we have at the Nationals stadium (around 1800 I believe). It would be an absolute crime to hog up that land with parking garages for that sit empty except for 8 days/year.

Why would they need a new Metro stop? There’s one there already.

Federal handout for WMATA. Congress will be asked to fund it, they will fund 80%, and the localities will be forced to pick up the remainder.

That doesn’t answer the question as to why a new Metro stop is needed. It isn’t.

+1 This was my question and I still don’t understand why you would need one and where it would go. The new stadium isn’t much bigger (10,000 seats?) than RFK, it looks to be situated in the same part of the site, and the one Metro station was always sufficient even for sold out games there - I went to a lot of them. Do they want one halfway between Potomac Avenue and Stadium-Armory, at the entrance to the DC Jail? Or north further into Kingman Park?

I believe a metro stop was proposed years ago for Kingman Park at the corner of Oklahoma and Benning, but the neighborhood opposed. If there, it could meet the bus/streetcar commuters that come down H St/NOMA. I used to live in KP so really wished there was one there, would be nice for the neighborhood if they did add one. Honestly wouldn't even be that hard, they just need to adjust the tunnel slightly under the parking lot/fields, not like they would have to navigate it around existing housing.

Man I bet I know exactly the type of “neighbors” who opposed this.

This was in the 1970s, so..... ?

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Anonymous wrote:They want an 8000 car parking complex AND a metro stop (that they won’t pay for). Nope. I’m in favor of the stadium but with only the amount of parking that we have at the Nationals stadium (around 1800 I believe). It would be an absolute crime to hog up that land with parking garages for that sit empty except for 8 days/year.

Why would they need a new Metro stop? There’s one there already.

Federal handout for WMATA. Congress will be asked to fund it, they will fund 80%, and the localities will be forced to pick up the remainder.

That doesn’t answer the question as to why a new Metro stop is needed. It isn’t.

+1 This was my question and I still don’t understand why you would need one and where it would go. The new stadium isn’t much bigger (10,000 seats?) than RFK, it looks to be situated in the same part of the site, and the one Metro station was always sufficient even for sold out games there - I went to a lot of them. Do they want one halfway between Potomac Avenue and Stadium-Armory, at the entrance to the DC Jail? Or north further into Kingman Park?

I believe a metro stop was proposed years ago for Kingman Park at the corner of Oklahoma and Benning, but the neighborhood opposed. If there, it could meet the bus/streetcar commuters that come down H St/NOMA. I used to live in KP so really wished there was one there, would be nice for the neighborhood if they did add one. Honestly wouldn't even be that hard, they just need to adjust the tunnel slightly under the parking lot/fields, not like they would have to navigate it around existing housing.

Man I bet I know exactly the type of “neighbors” who opposed this.

Likely the same type as those that demand no parking nowadays.

No one I know of is demanding "no parking." Rather, the movement is to let developers provide the amount of parking they think is appropriate, not requiring them to include more parking than they want to build.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/free-parking-reform
"Those laws, also referred to as parking minimums or mandates, blanket municipal codes in the United States, forcing builders to include a substantial quantity of parking with every new home, office, shop, or school. Those parking spaces cost a lot of money to build, and they sit empty most of the time."

There's literally a post on here where someone is saying that they oppose the stadium project because it has parking, lol.

You're not part of a movement. It's an astroturf pr campaign by developers. But, based on your post, you obviously know that.

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Anonymous wrote:They want an 8000 car parking complex AND a metro stop (that they won’t pay for). Nope. I’m in favor of the stadium but with only the amount of parking that we have at the Nationals stadium (around 1800 I believe). It would be an absolute crime to hog up that land with parking garages for that sit empty except for 8 days/year.

Why would they need a new Metro stop? There’s one there already.

Federal handout for WMATA. Congress will be asked to fund it, they will fund 80%, and the localities will be forced to pick up the remainder.

That doesn’t answer the question as to why a new Metro stop is needed. It isn’t.

+1 This was my question and I still don’t understand why you would need one and where it would go. The new stadium isn’t much bigger (10,000 seats?) than RFK, it looks to be situated in the same part of the site, and the one Metro station was always sufficient even for sold out games there - I went to a lot of them. Do they want one halfway between Potomac Avenue and Stadium-Armory, at the entrance to the DC Jail? Or north further into Kingman Park?

I believe a metro stop was proposed years ago for Kingman Park at the corner of Oklahoma and Benning, but the neighborhood opposed. If there, it could meet the bus/streetcar commuters that come down H St/NOMA. I used to live in KP so really wished there was one there, would be nice for the neighborhood if they did add one. Honestly wouldn't even be that hard, they just need to adjust the tunnel slightly under the parking lot/fields, not like they would have to navigate it around existing housing.

Man I bet I know exactly the type of “neighbors” who opposed this.

Likely the same type as those that demand no parking nowadays.

No one I know of is demanding "no parking." Rather, the movement is to let developers provide the amount of parking they think is appropriate, not requiring them to include more parking than they want to build.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/free-parking-reform
"Those laws, also referred to as parking minimums or mandates, blanket municipal codes in the United States, forcing builders to include a substantial quantity of parking with every new home, office, shop, or school. Those parking spaces cost a lot of money to build, and they sit empty most of the time."

Parking is essential infrastructure, just like roads, and the metro. When do developers ever willingly cover their share of infrastructure required for a development?? Parking minimums ensure that developers don’t screw over the community and that they internalize the societal cost of their development decisions. Eliminating development standards and zoning forces the community and local governments to bear 100% impact on public infrastructure associated with new development. Developers don’t care how much parking is actually needed to adequately service their stadium. They will build the absolute bare minimum and extort consumers by charging people $50 to park cars on days they have events. Then the surrounding neighborhood and communities experience the consequences when residents suffer from an epidemic of illegal street parking and businesses cannot find parking for their employees.

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Anonymous wrote:They want an 8000 car parking complex AND a metro stop (that they won’t pay for). Nope. I’m in favor of the stadium but with only the amount of parking that we have at the Nationals stadium (around 1800 I believe). It would be an absolute crime to hog up that land with parking garages for that sit empty except for 8 days/year.

Why would they need a new Metro stop? There’s one there already.

Federal handout for WMATA. Congress will be asked to fund it, they will fund 80%, and the localities will be forced to pick up the remainder.

That doesn’t answer the question as to why a new Metro stop is needed. It isn’t.

+1 This was my question and I still don’t understand why you would need one and where it would go. The new stadium isn’t much bigger (10,000 seats?) than RFK, it looks to be situated in the same part of the site, and the one Metro station was always sufficient even for sold out games there - I went to a lot of them. Do they want one halfway between Potomac Avenue and Stadium-Armory, at the entrance to the DC Jail? Or north further into Kingman Park?

I believe a metro stop was proposed years ago for Kingman Park at the corner of Oklahoma and Benning, but the neighborhood opposed. If there, it could meet the bus/streetcar commuters that come down H St/NOMA. I used to live in KP so really wished there was one there, would be nice for the neighborhood if they did add one. Honestly wouldn't even be that hard, they just need to adjust the tunnel slightly under the parking lot/fields, not like they would have to navigate it around existing housing.

Man I bet I know exactly the type of “neighbors” who opposed this.

Likely the same type as those that demand no parking nowadays.

No one I know of is demanding "no parking." Rather, the movement is to let developers provide the amount of parking they think is appropriate, not requiring them to include more parking than they want to build.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/free-parking-reform
"Those laws, also referred to as parking minimums or mandates, blanket municipal codes in the United States, forcing builders to include a substantial quantity of parking with every new home, office, shop, or school. Those parking spaces cost a lot of money to build, and they sit empty most of the time."

Parking is essential infrastructure, just like roads, and the metro. When do developers ever willingly cover their share of infrastructure required for a development?? Parking minimums ensure that developers don’t screw over the community and that they internalize the societal cost of their development decisions. Eliminating development standards and zoning forces the community and local governments to bear 100% impact on public infrastructure associated with new development. Developers don’t care how much parking is actually needed to adequately service their stadium. They will build the absolute bare minimum and extort consumers by charging people $50 to park cars on days they have events. Then the surrounding neighborhood and communities experience the consequences when residents suffer from an epidemic of illegal street parking and businesses cannot find parking for their employees.

I'm fine with them charging $50 per spot if the city enforces parking restrictions on game days and tows violators.

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Anonymous wrote:Too much crime in DC to go to a football game. We stop going the the Hockey games and Baseball games from all the crime we have to tolerate on the streets and on the Metro. We can't visit a restaurant after a game without someone asking for money. Then we hope our car is not broken into or damaged when we get to it.

^^^ some people just can’t handle vibrancy and diversity ^^^

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Anonymous wrote:They want an 8000 car parking complex AND a metro stop (that they won’t pay for). Nope. I’m in favor of the stadium but with only the amount of parking that we have at the Nationals stadium (around 1800 I believe). It would be an absolute crime to hog up that land with parking garages for that sit empty except for 8 days/year.

Project of this size needs ample parking, more so in towns where there is a shortage.

DC is not a “town.” people can arrive at the game by metro, bus, uber, street car, or bike.

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Anonymous wrote:They want an 8000 car parking complex AND a metro stop (that they won’t pay for). Nope. I’m in favor of the stadium but with only the amount of parking that we have at the Nationals stadium (around 1800 I believe). It would be an absolute crime to hog up that land with parking garages for that sit empty except for 8 days/year.

Why would they need a new Metro stop? There’s one there already.

Federal handout for WMATA. Congress will be asked to fund it, they will fund 80%, and the localities will be forced to pick up the remainder.

That doesn’t answer the question as to why a new Metro stop is needed. It isn’t.

+1 This was my question and I still don’t understand why you would need one and where it would go. The new stadium isn’t much bigger (10,000 seats?) than RFK, it looks to be situated in the same part of the site, and the one Metro station was always sufficient even for sold out games there - I went to a lot of them. Do they want one halfway between Potomac Avenue and Stadium-Armory, at the entrance to the DC Jail? Or north further into Kingman Park?

I believe a metro stop was proposed years ago for Kingman Park at the corner of Oklahoma and Benning, but the neighborhood opposed. If there, it could meet the bus/streetcar commuters that come down H St/NOMA. I used to live in KP so really wished there was one there, would be nice for the neighborhood if they did add one. Honestly wouldn't even be that hard, they just need to adjust the tunnel slightly under the parking lot/fields, not like they would have to navigate it around existing housing.

Man I bet I know exactly the type of “neighbors” who opposed this.

Likely the same type as those that demand no parking nowadays.

No one I know of is demanding "no parking." Rather, the movement is to let developers provide the amount of parking they think is appropriate, not requiring them to include more parking than they want to build.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/free-parking-reform
"Those laws, also referred to as parking minimums or mandates, blanket municipal codes in the United States, forcing builders to include a substantial quantity of parking with every new home, office, shop, or school. Those parking spaces cost a lot of money to build, and they sit empty most of the time."

Parking is essential infrastructure, just like roads, and the metro. When do developers ever willingly cover their share of infrastructure required for a development?? Parking minimums ensure that developers don’t screw over the community and that they internalize the societal cost of their development decisions. Eliminating development standards and zoning forces the community and local governments to bear 100% impact on public infrastructure associated with new development. Developers don’t care how much parking is actually needed to adequately service their stadium. They will build the absolute bare minimum and extort consumers by charging people $50 to park cars on days they have events. Then the surrounding neighborhood and communities experience the consequences when residents suffer from an epidemic of illegal street parking and businesses cannot find parking for their employees.

Lol no. if they want a stadium surrounded by parking, they can stay in Maryland.