Why not eat pork?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pigs harbor parasites that can harm humans if not cooked through. This is why multiple religions developed prohibitions against pork, as well as other foods that frequently made people sick because of their propensity to be contaminated with toxins, such as seafood.

And since religions usually decline to change despite technological and medical progress... that's why the prohibitions are still in place.

But then again, Trump is destroying governmental oversight on food safety, so it's maybe time to be a little more aware of what could be in your food.

This. But also the religions that prohibit pork developed in hot or desert climates (before refrigeration) so Parasites were more common back then.

Christianity was heavily influenced by Northern European culture where it is cold for most of the year and pork is a big part of the diet.

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Anonymous wrote:What is it about this animal that makes it to the forbidden fruit list?
What was the reasoning back in the day?

People even now get sick every year eating shellfish and undercooked pork. People have died.

Back in biblical times, there were no microwaves to nuke the parasites and harmful bacteria in creatures which eat filth, feces, or feast on the dead. These animals God declared unclean to eat.

Similarly, God said not to wear mixed fabrics. Back in those days, there were no powerful detergents, no hot water rinse or steam cycles to destroy fleas and lice which hide and lay eggs in the gap between the two fabrics.

Note that there was no death sentence for eating unclean foods or wearing mixed fabrics but there was a death sentence for rape of a betrothed woman, homosexuality, and adultery.

And slavery! That was endorsed also! Don’t forget slavery!

And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.—Exodus 21:16

Those people who stole Africans to sell into slavery —mostly Arabs and other Africans, would have received the death penalty.

There is a big difference between becoming a slave out of economic necessity and being kidnapped.

Most people in biblical times were farmers and herdsmen. If your crops failed or were destroyed by war or drought, it was either become a slave or starve to death.

You should thank God every day for the blessed life you have.

Wrong! He likely does not exist and if he does he’s an immoral slavery endorsing douche. And since you agree that there are circumstances when it was OK, you are an immoral person! Yes, you! It is NEVER MORAL TO OWN A HUMAN BEING. Clear enough? But here’s your guy’s take on that:

Genesis 9:18-27 -- Noah (the only righteous man on earth) decrees that his son Ham and his descendants shall be slaves. (This is punishment for Ham's crime of seeing his father naked)

Genesis 12:5 -- Abram (God's anointed prophet) purchased slaves in Harran.

Genesis 16:1-9 -- Sarai's slave fled after being mistreated. God's angel instructs her to return and submit to her mistress anyway.

Genesis 17:12-13 -- All males must be circumcised, including those who were bought.

Genesis 20:14 -- Abraham (God's anointed prophet) happily accepts slaves as a gift.

Genesis 47:13-26 -- Joseph purchases the entire population of Egypt for the Pharaoh, making them his servants for life.

Exodus 12:43-45 -- God instructs Moses and Aaron that their slaves may only eat food at the passsover meal after they have been circumcised.

Legal Dispensation : the period of time from the giving of the law until the coming of Christ

Exodus 20:17 -- God provides a list of belongings which are not to be coveted, including servants (implying that they are property).

Exodus 21:2-6 -- Israeli slaves must be set free after 7 years unless you trick them into wanting to stay by giving them a wife.

Exodus 21:7-11 -- How your daughter must be treated after you sell her into slavery.

Exodus 21:20-21 -- You may beat your slaves as long as they do not die within a couple days of the beating.

Exodus 21:26-27 -- You have to let your slave go free if you destroy their eye or knock out one of their teeth.

Exodus 22:2-3 -- A theif must pay restituion. If unable, he himself is to be sold.

Leviticus 19:20-21 -- God tells Moses and Aaron what to do with a man who sleeps with another man's female slave.

Leviticus 22:10-11 -- A priest's hired servant may not eat the sacred offering, but his slaves can.

Leviticus 25:44-46 -- You may buy slaves from the nations around you and bequeath them to your children as inherited property (except if they're Israelites).

Numbers 31 -- After the Israelites conquer the Midianites, Moses orders the execution of everyone except the virgin girls (including the male children). God then instructs Moses on how the 32,000 virgins are to be divvied up and given to the Israelites as their property.

Deuteronomy 15:12-18 -- Free your Hebrew slaves every 6 years. Do not consider this a hardship because their service was worth twice as much as a hired hand.

Deuteronomy 20:10-11 -- When attacking a city, offer them the option of being your slaves rather than being slaughtered.

Joshua 9 -- Joshua "saves" the Gibeonites from being slain by the Israelites. Instead, he makes them slaves to the Israelites in perpetuity.

Gospel Dispensation : the period of time from the coming of Christ to the end of time

Luke 17:7-10 -- Jesus says servants (i.e. slaves) should know their place and not expect thanks for the duties they are required to perform.

Ephesians 6:5-8 -- Slaves are to obey their masters as they would obey Christ.

Colossians 3:22 -- Paul tells the slaves of Colosse to "obey your earthly masters."

Colossians 4:1 -- Paul says masters should be fair to their slaves. (Tacitly endorsing the existence of slaves and masters)

1 Timothy 6:1-2 -- Slaves should consider their masters worthy of full respect.

Titus 2:9-10 -- In his letter, Paul instructs Titus to teach slaves to be obedient.

1 Peter 2:18 -- Slaves, submit to your masters; even the harsh ones.

God does indeed exist. It is so obvious, only a fool cannot see it. Think: where did the hydrogen come from? What is the origin of hydrogen?

And there are circumstances where it is ok to take slaves/indentured servants but it is NOT ok—ever, to kidnap someone to be made a slave.

What you are missing here is free will: some people, due to economic necessity, sold themselves into slavery. The alternative was to become a prostitute, a thief (very dangerous), or become a slave for a period of time.

In ancient Israel, all Hebrew slaves had to be freed after 6 years. Every 50 years, called a Jubilee year, all slaves were freed. Daniel the Prophet is the one who influenced Cyrus the Great to free all the slaves in the land.

You may thank the Jews for being the very first emancipators. You’re welcome.

In ancient times, when a nation was conquered, its men killed in battle, the women and children were left helpless. They would die without a man to till the earth or manhandle livestock thus, when Israel conquered a nation, to prevent women and children dying needlessly, they were taken as slaves.

Are you saying slavery is so bad, these women and children should die instead?

What you keep doing, and if you were in the room, I would thump you upside your hard head to maybe jar loose whatever presupposed crud is hindering your thinking so that you stop comparing slavery in the Antebellum South to slavery in Old Testament times. They were not the same.

The Midianites sacrificed babies to demonic gods. Imagine if Israel was next to Nazi Germany, Hitler screaming destruction to Israel. Should God allow Hitler to slaughter all the people of Israel, even the virgins and wipe it out, or should God enable Israel to rise up and wipe out Nazi Germany, taking its virgins as slaves because they would die otherwise?

God is the ultimate and final judge of the matter. We only see a tiny sliver whereas God sees the whole picture. I assure you, the way God did things back then, as now, is the 100% correct way for it to have been done.

Where did the hydrogen come from? That's your question? Why not just google that?

Hydrogen was primarily formed during the Big Bang nucleosynthesis process, a few minutes after the Big Bang, when the universe was still extremely hot and dense. As the universe cooled, protons and neutrons combined to form hydrogen nuclei. After 380,000 years, the universe cooled further, allowing electrons to bind to these nuclei, forming the first atoms of hydrogen and helium.

No god necessary

/ ps I don't think you are a sincere poster.

I am a sincere poster, not perfect by any means, but sincerely mean what I say.

No god necessary? Au contraire, dear atheist. For the Big Bang to have happened, an external force (God) would have had to create the matter for there to be any kind of reaction.

That is a big claim you are going to have to back up. There is plenty of evidence for the scientific explanation provided but none for yours. What is your evidence?

Bang! God caused it to happen.

The way I see it is like a pool table. The balls (matter) are racked up and God strikes the cue ball sending the balls scattering across the table.

Another claim. You need to show evidence for it. What is your evidence?

That would explain how planets spin, for they cannot spin themselves without an outside force having first caused their rotation.

There's already an explanation with evidence for why planets spin:

Planets spin due to the conservation of angular momentum during their formation. This principle states that an object's rotational motion tends to persist unless acted upon by an external force, and there are very few such forces in the vacuum of space. During the formation of a solar system, a massive cloud of gas and dust collapses under its own gravity, initially spinning due to its own motion. As this cloud collapses, it spins faster and flattens into a disk-like structure. Planets then form within this disk, inheriting the spinning motion of the original cloud.

Again, no god necessary.

But it matters not, you will rationalize away the evidence to prove yourself “correct”: “There sho’nuff ain’t no god and hain’t never been one. I win!”

No, I will follow the evidence and believe things that are justified. Please don't be petulant. There's no need to and it doesn't help your case.

Like I said: you will rationalize everything to prove in your mind there is no God who created all things, who created the planets, and set them (or by bang) in their orbits spinning.

The Bible mentions “the circle of the Earth.” That right there does away with the false saying that Christians were flat-earthers until Science showed the way.

You are not seeing the forest because of the trees, as the saying goes.

God created it all just as the Bible says. How God did it can be determined using science but when science contradicts the Bible, such as human origins, then the science is false knowledge.

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Anonymous wrote:What is it about this animal that makes it to the forbidden fruit list?
What was the reasoning back in the day?

People even now get sick every year eating shellfish and undercooked pork. People have died.

Back in biblical times, there were no microwaves to nuke the parasites and harmful bacteria in creatures which eat filth, feces, or feast on the dead. These animals God declared unclean to eat.

Similarly, God said not to wear mixed fabrics. Back in those days, there were no powerful detergents, no hot water rinse or steam cycles to destroy fleas and lice which hide and lay eggs in the gap between the two fabrics.

Note that there was no death sentence for eating unclean foods or wearing mixed fabrics but there was a death sentence for rape of a betrothed woman, homosexuality, and adultery.

And slavery! That was endorsed also! Don’t forget slavery!

And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.—Exodus 21:16

Those people who stole Africans to sell into slavery —mostly Arabs and other Africans, would have received the death penalty.

There is a big difference between becoming a slave out of economic necessity and being kidnapped.

Most people in biblical times were farmers and herdsmen. If your crops failed or were destroyed by war or drought, it was either become a slave or starve to death.

You should thank God every day for the blessed life you have.

Wrong! He likely does not exist and if he does he’s an immoral slavery endorsing douche. And since you agree that there are circumstances when it was OK, you are an immoral person! Yes, you! It is NEVER MORAL TO OWN A HUMAN BEING. Clear enough? But here’s your guy’s take on that:

Genesis 9:18-27 -- Noah (the only righteous man on earth) decrees that his son Ham and his descendants shall be slaves. (This is punishment for Ham's crime of seeing his father naked)

Genesis 12:5 -- Abram (God's anointed prophet) purchased slaves in Harran.

Genesis 16:1-9 -- Sarai's slave fled after being mistreated. God's angel instructs her to return and submit to her mistress anyway.

Genesis 17:12-13 -- All males must be circumcised, including those who were bought.

Genesis 20:14 -- Abraham (God's anointed prophet) happily accepts slaves as a gift.

Genesis 47:13-26 -- Joseph purchases the entire population of Egypt for the Pharaoh, making them his servants for life.

Exodus 12:43-45 -- God instructs Moses and Aaron that their slaves may only eat food at the passsover meal after they have been circumcised.

Legal Dispensation : the period of time from the giving of the law until the coming of Christ

Exodus 20:17 -- God provides a list of belongings which are not to be coveted, including servants (implying that they are property).

Exodus 21:2-6 -- Israeli slaves must be set free after 7 years unless you trick them into wanting to stay by giving them a wife.

Exodus 21:7-11 -- How your daughter must be treated after you sell her into slavery.

Exodus 21:20-21 -- You may beat your slaves as long as they do not die within a couple days of the beating.

Exodus 21:26-27 -- You have to let your slave go free if you destroy their eye or knock out one of their teeth.

Exodus 22:2-3 -- A theif must pay restituion. If unable, he himself is to be sold.

Leviticus 19:20-21 -- God tells Moses and Aaron what to do with a man who sleeps with another man's female slave.

Leviticus 22:10-11 -- A priest's hired servant may not eat the sacred offering, but his slaves can.

Leviticus 25:44-46 -- You may buy slaves from the nations around you and bequeath them to your children as inherited property (except if they're Israelites).

Numbers 31 -- After the Israelites conquer the Midianites, Moses orders the execution of everyone except the virgin girls (including the male children). God then instructs Moses on how the 32,000 virgins are to be divvied up and given to the Israelites as their property.

Deuteronomy 15:12-18 -- Free your Hebrew slaves every 6 years. Do not consider this a hardship because their service was worth twice as much as a hired hand.

Deuteronomy 20:10-11 -- When attacking a city, offer them the option of being your slaves rather than being slaughtered.

Joshua 9 -- Joshua "saves" the Gibeonites from being slain by the Israelites. Instead, he makes them slaves to the Israelites in perpetuity.

Gospel Dispensation : the period of time from the coming of Christ to the end of time

Luke 17:7-10 -- Jesus says servants (i.e. slaves) should know their place and not expect thanks for the duties they are required to perform.

Ephesians 6:5-8 -- Slaves are to obey their masters as they would obey Christ.

Colossians 3:22 -- Paul tells the slaves of Colosse to "obey your earthly masters."

Colossians 4:1 -- Paul says masters should be fair to their slaves. (Tacitly endorsing the existence of slaves and masters)

1 Timothy 6:1-2 -- Slaves should consider their masters worthy of full respect.

Titus 2:9-10 -- In his letter, Paul instructs Titus to teach slaves to be obedient.

1 Peter 2:18 -- Slaves, submit to your masters; even the harsh ones.

God does indeed exist. It is so obvious, only a fool cannot see it. Think: where did the hydrogen come from? What is the origin of hydrogen?

And there are circumstances where it is ok to take slaves/indentured servants but it is NOT ok—ever, to kidnap someone to be made a slave.

What you are missing here is free will: some people, due to economic necessity, sold themselves into slavery. The alternative was to become a prostitute, a thief (very dangerous), or become a slave for a period of time.

In ancient Israel, all Hebrew slaves had to be freed after 6 years. Every 50 years, called a Jubilee year, all slaves were freed. Daniel the Prophet is the one who influenced Cyrus the Great to free all the slaves in the land.

You may thank the Jews for being the very first emancipators. You’re welcome.

In ancient times, when a nation was conquered, its men killed in battle, the women and children were left helpless. They would die without a man to till the earth or manhandle livestock thus, when Israel conquered a nation, to prevent women and children dying needlessly, they were taken as slaves.

Are you saying slavery is so bad, these women and children should die instead?

What you keep doing, and if you were in the room, I would thump you upside your hard head to maybe jar loose whatever presupposed crud is hindering your thinking so that you stop comparing slavery in the Antebellum South to slavery in Old Testament times. They were not the same.

The Midianites sacrificed babies to demonic gods. Imagine if Israel was next to Nazi Germany, Hitler screaming destruction to Israel. Should God allow Hitler to slaughter all the people of Israel, even the virgins and wipe it out, or should God enable Israel to rise up and wipe out Nazi Germany, taking its virgins as slaves because they would die otherwise?

God is the ultimate and final judge of the matter. We only see a tiny sliver whereas God sees the whole picture. I assure you, the way God did things back then, as now, is the 100% correct way for it to have been done.

Where did the hydrogen come from? That's your question? Why not just google that?

Hydrogen was primarily formed during the Big Bang nucleosynthesis process, a few minutes after the Big Bang, when the universe was still extremely hot and dense. As the universe cooled, protons and neutrons combined to form hydrogen nuclei. After 380,000 years, the universe cooled further, allowing electrons to bind to these nuclei, forming the first atoms of hydrogen and helium.

No god necessary

/ ps I don't think you are a sincere poster.

I am a sincere poster, not perfect by any means, but sincerely mean what I say.

No god necessary? Au contraire, dear atheist. For the Big Bang to have happened, an external force (God) would have had to create the matter for there to be any kind of reaction.

That is a big claim you are going to have to back up. There is plenty of evidence for the scientific explanation provided but none for yours. What is your evidence?

Bang! God caused it to happen.

The way I see it is like a pool table. The balls (matter) are racked up and God strikes the cue ball sending the balls scattering across the table.

Another claim. You need to show evidence for it. What is your evidence?

That would explain how planets spin, for they cannot spin themselves without an outside force having first caused their rotation.

There's already an explanation with evidence for why planets spin:

Planets spin due to the conservation of angular momentum during their formation. This principle states that an object's rotational motion tends to persist unless acted upon by an external force, and there are very few such forces in the vacuum of space. During the formation of a solar system, a massive cloud of gas and dust collapses under its own gravity, initially spinning due to its own motion. As this cloud collapses, it spins faster and flattens into a disk-like structure. Planets then form within this disk, inheriting the spinning motion of the original cloud.

Again, no god necessary.

But it matters not, you will rationalize away the evidence to prove yourself “correct”: “There sho’nuff ain’t no god and hain’t never been one. I win!”

No, I will follow the evidence and believe things that are justified. Please don't be petulant. There's no need to and it doesn't help your case.

Like I said: you will rationalize everything to prove in your mind there is no God who created all things, who created the planets, and set them (or by bang) in their orbits spinning.

The Bible mentions “the circle of the Earth.” That right there does away with the false saying that Christians were flat-earthers until Science showed the way.

You are not seeing the forest because of the trees, as the saying goes.

God created it all just as the Bible says. How God did it can be determined using science but when science contradicts the Bible, such as human origins, then the science is false knowledge.

Now I am certain you are not a real poster.

That’s some decent trolling, and you put a lot of work and typed a lot of words, but you made the cardinal sin of “going past the close”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reason is simple, G-d gave the dietary laws, kosher animals need to have split hooves and chew the cud. No reasons given, just follow.

Fish, need scales and fins,

etc etc .

Not difficult to follow if you follow your faith .

Right, if pigs chewed their cud, they'd be kosher, and this thread would be in the health section instead of the religion section.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reason is simple, G-d gave the dietary laws, kosher animals need to have split hooves and chew the cud. No reasons given, just follow.

Fish, need scales and fins,

etc etc .

Not difficult to follow if you follow your faith .

I thought the laws were given so that their way of life was different than the pagans they lived around.

Hence the "no reasons given".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reason is simple, G-d gave the dietary laws, kosher animals need to have split hooves and chew the cud. No reasons given, just follow.

Fish, need scales and fins,

etc etc .

Not difficult to follow if you follow your faith .

I thought the laws were given so that their way of life was different than the pagans they lived around.

Hence the "no reasons given".

Yes, have fun eating locusts

[Anonymous]

The one thing God cannot do is make you love him, for if he did it would not be love; hence God gives us a free will to do good (obey) or do evil
(disobey).

Let us say there is a king of the land who has commanded: do not eat from the tree in the orchard with iridescent fruit. It is a special tree but the
fruit, the day you eat of it, will cause you to sicken and die over time.

All is well until one day, a woman walks by the special tree and looks at its fruit. "Oh, so shiny, she says; so beautiful, and such pretty colors...I
want one."

A sneaky creature comes in and says smoothly, "Hey, looks good doesn't it? Take one and eat; the king won't know about it because there are so many.
Like really, he has counted every one of them. Go on, I won't tell anybody."

The woman resists at first. "We were told we could eat from any tree but that one. If I eat from this tree, I'll get sick and die!"

"Oh come on, are you that stupid? The king doesn't want you eating from that tree because then you will become wise and powerful like him. He does not
want any competition and he wants to keep you down, prevent you from becoming a king, or a queen in your case. You could rule this land,..if you wanted
to. But I understand, you want to remain a nothing, a nobody, doing what you are told like a dumb dog. I guess you don't want to be something great.
What a shame. See you later, I do not want to hang around a nobody."

The woman looks at the colorful fruit, sees how firm, juicy, and sweet it appears. She looks around first to make sure nobody is watching then picks
one and eats it. She brings her husband over and he eats too. They both feel a sudden change, know shame for the first time. It makes them angry. They
go to the herb garden and stomp on the herbs, crushing them. The man climbs up an apple tree and throws all of the apples into the forest, laughing.
Seeing a puppy, he grabs it by the throat and chokes it dead. As a joke, they both defecate in the clear pool the animals drink from. The animals get
sick and a few die. Soon, the whole land is full of chaos and trouble. They both think it would be funny to smear feces on the door handles of
the palace. They watch with evil glee to see the disgusted reaction from one of the servants. Eventually, the man and woman are summoned to stand
before the king.

"Have you eaten from that tree I told you not to eat from?"

The man and woman make excuses, arguing, telling the king, "What kind of a stupid shit are you to tell us we can't eat from that tree? Just who do you think you
are? You are not the boss of us! WE will do what WE want to do and there is nothing you can do about it because we know things now that you did not
want us to know."

Sadly, the king pronounces their punishment. "You are expelled from this good land into a land of thorns, with venomous and deadly creatures, and you
will sicken and die from disease, parasites, and all manner of troubles. I will have mercy and see that you have descendants. Maybe they will obey my
rules."

They are frog-marched out of the land. The man turns around and gives the king's servant the middle finger. "You'll be sorry for kicking
us out. I will deal with you, count on it! Big flaming sword or not, you are going to get it! I will find a way, you mark my words butt hole."

Now, what should this king have done? Allow these two people to continue in their insubordination and disrespect, to ruin the land, or should he kick them out? Should the king allow them into another special kingdom where no person there has disobeyed the rules? What do you think would happen if these two troublemakers were let into that special kingdom? It would soon become a wasteland of chaos and disorder, harmful to those innocents living there.

Sure, God could have made us robotic, without any ability to choose anything but what God wants chosen. God did not want that and so God took a chance knowing that there was a possibility of people choosing to do evil. However, God has prepared counter-measures so that eventually, the evil will be
made good. Perhaps God will replay the history of the Earth before people and say, "This is what happens when you disobey my commandments. Do you want this for yourselves?"

The people in unison would shout, "No way! We are NOT touching that tree if that is what is going to happen."

[Anonymous]

Is this the thread where we copy and paste long grey pages of fairy tales to try and stem the tide of facts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The one thing God cannot do is make you love him, for if he did it would not be love; hence God gives us a free will to do good (obey) or do evil
(disobey).

This premise and the loose syllogism that follows is heavily disputed among Christians, because Scripture itself shows, in balance, a God who is completely sovereign, but who nevertheless holds us completely responsible.

God is not slave to your decisions about loving Him. It is quite the opposite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The one thing God cannot do is make you love him, for if he did it would not be love; hence God gives us a free will to do good (obey) or do evil
(disobey).

Let us say there is a king of the land who has commanded: do not eat from the tree in the orchard with iridescent fruit. It is a special tree but the
fruit, the day you eat of it, will cause you to sicken and die over time.

All is well until one day, a woman walks by the special tree and looks at its fruit. "Oh, so shiny, she says; so beautiful, and such pretty colors...I
want one."

A sneaky creature comes in and says smoothly, "Hey, looks good doesn't it? Take one and eat; the king won't know about it because there are so many.
Like really, he has counted every one of them. Go on, I won't tell anybody."

The woman resists at first. "We were told we could eat from any tree but that one. If I eat from this tree, I'll get sick and die!"

"Oh come on, are you that stupid? The king doesn't want you eating from that tree because then you will become wise and powerful like him. He does not
want any competition and he wants to keep you down, prevent you from becoming a king, or a queen in your case. You could rule this land,..if you wanted
to. But I understand, you want to remain a nothing, a nobody, doing what you are told like a dumb dog. I guess you don't want to be something great.
What a shame. See you later, I do not want to hang around a nobody."

The woman looks at the colorful fruit, sees how firm, juicy, and sweet it appears. She looks around first to make sure nobody is watching then picks
one and eats it. She brings her husband over and he eats too. They both feel a sudden change, know shame for the first time. It makes them angry. They
go to the herb garden and stomp on the herbs, crushing them. The man climbs up an apple tree and throws all of the apples into the forest, laughing.
Seeing a puppy, he grabs it by the throat and chokes it dead. As a joke, they both defecate in the clear pool the animals drink from. The animals get
sick and a few die. Soon, the whole land is full of chaos and trouble. They both think it would be funny to smear feces on the door handles of
the palace. They watch with evil glee to see the disgusted reaction from one of the servants. Eventually, the man and woman are summoned to stand
before the king.

"Have you eaten from that tree I told you not to eat from?"

The man and woman make excuses, arguing, telling the king, "What kind of a stupid shit are you to tell us we can't eat from that tree? Just who do you think you
are? You are not the boss of us! WE will do what WE want to do and there is nothing you can do about it because we know things now that you did not
want us to know."

Sadly, the king pronounces their punishment. "You are expelled from this good land into a land of thorns, with venomous and deadly creatures, and you
will sicken and die from disease, parasites, and all manner of troubles. I will have mercy and see that you have descendants. Maybe they will obey my
rules."

They are frog-marched out of the land. The man turns around and gives the king's servant the middle finger. "You'll be sorry for kicking
us out. I will deal with you, count on it! Big flaming sword or not, you are going to get it! I will find a way, you mark my words butt hole."

Now, what should this king have done? Allow these two people to continue in their insubordination and disrespect, to ruin the land, or should he kick them out? Should the king allow them into another special kingdom where no person there has disobeyed the rules? What do you think would happen if these two troublemakers were let into that special kingdom? It would soon become a wasteland of chaos and disorder, harmful to those innocents living there.

Sure, God could have made us robotic, without any ability to choose anything but what God wants chosen. God did not want that and so God took a chance knowing that there was a possibility of people choosing to do evil. However, God has prepared counter-measures so that eventually, the evil will be
made good. Perhaps God will replay the history of the Earth before people and say, "This is what happens when you disobey my commandments. Do you want this for yourselves?"

The people in unison would shout, "No way! We are NOT touching that tree if that is what is going to happen."

Remind me why God put the tree there in the first place?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is it about this animal that makes it to the forbidden fruit list?
What was the reasoning back in the day?

People even now get sick every year eating shellfish and undercooked pork. People have died.

Back in biblical times, there were no microwaves to nuke the parasites and harmful bacteria in creatures which eat filth, feces, or feast on the dead. These animals God declared unclean to eat.

Similarly, God said not to wear mixed fabrics. Back in those days, there were no powerful detergents, no hot water rinse or steam cycles to destroy fleas and lice which hide and lay eggs in the gap between the two fabrics.

Note that there was no death sentence for eating unclean foods or wearing mixed fabrics but there was a death sentence for rape of a betrothed woman, homosexuality, and adultery.

Learn more about the highlighted parts. You are very uninformed as to how laundry was done for thousands of years until the 1940s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is it about this animal that makes it to the forbidden fruit list?
What was the reasoning back in the day?

People even now get sick every year eating shellfish and undercooked pork. People have died.

Back in biblical times, there were no microwaves to nuke the parasites and harmful bacteria in creatures which eat filth, feces, or feast on the dead. These animals God declared unclean to eat.

Similarly, God said not to wear mixed fabrics. Back in those days, there were no powerful detergents, no hot water rinse or steam cycles to destroy fleas and lice which hide and lay eggs in the gap between the two fabrics.

Note that there was no death sentence for eating unclean foods or wearing mixed fabrics but there was a death sentence for rape of a betrothed woman, homosexuality, and adultery.

Learn more about the highlighted parts. You are very uninformed as to how laundry was done for thousands of years until the 1940s.

In ancient Middle Eastern cultures, laundry typically involved handwashing clothes in rivers, streams, or communal washhouses using natural cleaning agents like wood ash, clay, or even urine. The process often included beating clothes against rocks to remove stains, followed by rinsing and drying in the sun. (AI Google search).

So you see, there was no steaming or hot water wash, no super hot dryers to dry clothes.

Lye had been invented but not used on an industrial scale like today’s detergents.

For the common person, and the poor, they wore the same clothes often, dirty for days. The nobility probably had good, clean clothes but everyone else, not so much.

If you think urine and sunshine kill nits, fleas, and their tiny eggs, then I think it is you who may be misinformed.

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Anonymous wrote:What is it about this animal that makes it to the forbidden fruit list?
What was the reasoning back in the day?

People even now get sick every year eating shellfish and undercooked pork. People have died.

Back in biblical times, there were no microwaves to nuke the parasites and harmful bacteria in creatures which eat filth, feces, or feast on the dead. These animals God declared unclean to eat.

Similarly, God said not to wear mixed fabrics. Back in those days, there were no powerful detergents, no hot water rinse or steam cycles to destroy fleas and lice which hide and lay eggs in the gap between the two fabrics.

Note that there was no death sentence for eating unclean foods or wearing mixed fabrics but there was a death sentence for rape of a betrothed woman, homosexuality, and adultery.

Learn more about the highlighted parts. You are very uninformed as to how laundry was done for thousands of years until the 1940s.

In ancient Middle Eastern cultures, laundry typically involved handwashing clothes in rivers, streams, or communal washhouses using natural cleaning agents like wood ash, clay, or even urine. The process often included beating clothes against rocks to remove stains, followed by rinsing and drying in the sun. (AI Google search).

So you see, there was no steaming or hot water wash, no super hot dryers to dry clothes.

Lye had been invented but not used on an industrial scale like today’s detergents.

For the common person, and the poor, they wore the same clothes often, dirty for days. The nobility probably had good, clean clothes but everyone else, not so much.

If you think urine and sunshine kill nits, fleas, and their tiny eggs, then I think it is you who may be misinformed.

The world was not over populated like it is now. In ancient times the streams and rivers were not polluted. People lived near water.
Don’t take this so seriously. Locusts are kosher, the stars sing, trees have hands to clap with and god is a rock

Let us all sin and have some bacon

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is it about this animal that makes it to the forbidden fruit list?
What was the reasoning back in the day?

People even now get sick every year eating shellfish and undercooked pork. People have died.

Back in biblical times, there were no microwaves to nuke the parasites and harmful bacteria in creatures which eat filth, feces, or feast on the dead. These animals God declared unclean to eat.

Similarly, God said not to wear mixed fabrics. Back in those days, there were no powerful detergents, no hot water rinse or steam cycles to destroy fleas and lice which hide and lay eggs in the gap between the two fabrics.

Note that there was no death sentence for eating unclean foods or wearing mixed fabrics but there was a death sentence for rape of a betrothed woman, homosexuality, and adultery.

Learn more about the highlighted parts. You are very uninformed as to how laundry was done for thousands of years until the 1940s.

In ancient Middle Eastern cultures, laundry typically involved handwashing clothes in rivers, streams, or communal washhouses using natural cleaning agents like wood ash, clay, or even urine. The process often included beating clothes against rocks to remove stains, followed by rinsing and drying in the sun. (AI Google search).

So you see, there was no steaming or hot water wash, no super hot dryers to dry clothes.

Lye had been invented but not used on an industrial scale like today’s detergents.

For the common person, and the poor, they wore the same clothes often, dirty for days. The nobility probably had good, clean clothes but everyone else, not so much.

If you think urine and sunshine kill nits, fleas, and their tiny eggs, then I think it is you who may be misinformed.

The world was not over populated like it is now. In ancient times the streams and rivers were not polluted. People lived near water.
Don’t take this so seriously. Locusts are kosher, the stars sing, trees have hands to clap with and god is a rock

Let us all sin and have some bacon

That reminds me of a song:

I was sitting by a stream, sunshine on my skin
The trees were laughing in the sun, their leaves clapping in the wind
I was happy, oh I was so happy
Yes I was, yes I was
But the doctors took me away
Said I wasn’t like them
Filled me full of pills in a room dark and dim
I wasn’t happy, not at all happy
Not at all, not at all

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trichinosis. Much more common back then.

This.