Maybe we need an atheists forum

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Anonymous wrote:Atheism is a faith-based belief system, so atheistic topics belong in the religion forum.

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How is atheism - the lack of a belief in a god or gods - faith based?

A non-response will prove that it is not.

Atheists believe in freedom, at least all the ones I know do. By freedom, I mean we are responsible for our actions. But atheists are by default materialists, that is, matter is all there is and that there is no immaterial spirit. Every fact about us must be determined by physical laws. If every belief and decision we make is the result of physical laws rather than rational agency, then we have no free will, and it is not sensible to hold us accountable for our actions.

However, atheists (most of them) say we are responsible for our actions, and act as if they have the ability to weigh choices and make decisions on their own. This seems to me like belief that requires faith in the non-physical.

You last paragraph is rejected as a flawed premise. Atheism, a position on whether there is sufficient evidence for god, does not say anything about "responsibility for our actions", or anything else other than the god proposition.

Therefore, no.

Actually, atheists, if they are consistent with their materialist worldview, would say we are not responsible for our actions. But I don’t know any who live that way. Also, the atheist position doesn’t care about evidence. It is a non belief in god regardless of evidence. An agnostic would care more about evidence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Atheism is a faith-based belief system, so atheistic topics belong in the religion forum.

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How is atheism - the lack of a belief in a god or gods - faith based?

A non-response will prove that it is not.

Atheists believe in freedom, at least all the ones I know do. By freedom, I mean we are responsible for our actions. But atheists are by default materialists, that is, matter is all there is and that there is no immaterial spirit. Every fact about us must be determined by physical laws. If every belief and decision we make is the result of physical laws rather than rational agency, then we have no free will, and it is not sensible to hold us accountable for our actions.

However, atheists (most of them) say we are responsible for our actions, and act as if they have the ability to weigh choices and make decisions on their own. This seems to me like belief that requires faith in the non-physical.

You last paragraph is rejected as a flawed premise. Atheism, a position on whether there is sufficient evidence for god, does not say anything about "responsibility for our actions", or anything else other than the god proposition.

Therefore, no.

Actually, atheists, if they are consistent with their materialist worldview, would say we are not responsible for our actions. But I don’t know any who live that way. Also, the atheist position doesn’t care about evidence. It is a non belief in god regardless of evidence. An agnostic would care more about evidence.

No, you are not getting this at all. Don’t make stuff up. Atheism is a position on ONE THING and ONE THING ONLY: Whether or not they believe in a god or gods.

Atheists think all kinds of other stuff and differ on all other kinds of positions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Atheism is a faith-based belief system, so atheistic topics belong in the religion forum.

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How is atheism - the lack of a belief in a god or gods - faith based?

A non-response will prove that it is not.

Because, there is more preaching about it here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So religious people could have their own space, and atheists could have their own space too.

People could still move around freely between forums, as they do now

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Anonymous wrote:Some religious people just want atheists to go away.

Well when Christians try to share the good news with you, which is literally a central piece of our religious practice you get all offended. And obviously the same is true when your non-belief dictates that you should proselytize your atheism to convert others….so there will be a natural clash.
The difference is that in my worldview, it is actually harmful to cause others to fall away from Christ. And in your worldview—it makes no difference whether someone believes or not because the result is the same.
So I just don’t understand the motivation on Team Atheist that causes you to agitate for sport.

Can you understand that others are not interested in your worldview? Your belief does not affect how others think or act.

With this forum though, it's kind of amazing that people post ABOUT atheists, and then get offended when atheists post.

OK but what about the questions like the one about helping kids sit through church where the atheists came in and just hijacked the thread with many (now deleted) posts that were simply attacking the OP and anyone who had the nerve to think that it was a good idea to have their children in church?

I don't attack atheists - friends or here - who think it's a good idea to teach their kids that God doesn't exist. It don't attack my Jewish friends for taking their kids to synagogue. I don't attack Muslim friends for taking their kids to the mosque.

This is what posters are so frustrated with. It's the non sequitur where somehow the minute it's Jesus we get "fairy tales, bronze aged god, blah blah blah." As someone upthread said, it's almost like the Bible passage about him being a stumbling block is true or something .

Just checked that thread and it's doubtful that any posts have been deleted. There are both insults and advice. Looks like a pretty typical DCUM discussion to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Atheism is a faith-based belief system, so atheistic topics belong in the religion forum.

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How is atheism - the lack of a belief in a god or gods - faith based?

A non-response will prove that it is not.

Because, there is more preaching about it here.

Nice try. Not what faith is tho.