Maryland votes to create commission to study and recommend reparations for slavery

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Anonymous wrote:Do democrats not understand how their policies create death spirals ? If they decide to do reparations it means taxes will go up, people will leave. Which means taxes go up more. Also these stupid policies mean softnesss on crime. So real proooert values drop. Taxes go up more.

But won't "the rich" pay for anything the rest of us want but can't actually afford, for whatever reason?

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Anonymous wrote:One more reason to avoid Maryland. We should study and learn from history, but "reparations" for slavery in the current decade is just imbecilic.

Do you hold that same sentiment for the Native Americans who receive certain economic yearly benefits? What about those who are Jewish descendants of the Holocaust who also receive such benefits? What about the Japanese Internment camp descendants who received reparations?

The US stole Native American land and pushed them into "camps".

Those Japanese who were interned had their livelihoods stolen from them, and they directly received reparations, not the descendants.

The government was not directly involved in the slave trade, though they made it legal. And it's been over 150 years since the slaves have been freed. There are no living slaves or even direct descendants of slaves today.

We've had EO and AA for decades, and until recently DEI.

I'm all for means tested financial assistance like free meals for kids, subsidies for housing (I've given to those types of charities over the years), but not reparations to people who were not directly impacted by slavery.

So would you then want to be Black for a year and then come back to tell us that African Americans are still not directly impacted from American policies?

Slavery ended sure but what about Jim Crow laws, Water in Flint Michigan and the way families were treated after Hurricane Katrina (qualify as eco-terrorism). The direct and living descendants of the Tulsa Massacre still have not received any reparations from lost homes, land, businesses, family members being chased out by a man angry white mob. The NY Times ran an excellent piece on the impact still effecting those families whose wealth was wiped out in a night.

Let's not forget redlining, educational disparities, banking while black, driving while black, police brutality and a whole of host of other terrorisms and atrocities committed.

By their black mayor?

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Anonymous wrote:One more reason to avoid Maryland. We should study and learn from history, but "reparations" for slavery in the current decade is just imbecilic.

Do you hold that same sentiment for the Native Americans who receive certain economic yearly benefits? What about those who are Jewish descendants of the Holocaust who also receive such benefits? What about the Japanese Internment camp descendants who received reparations?

The US stole Native American land and pushed them into "camps".

Those Japanese who were interned had their livelihoods stolen from them, and they directly received reparations, not the descendants.

The government was not directly involved in the slave trade, though they made it legal. And it's been over 150 years since the slaves have been freed. There are no living slaves or even direct descendants of slaves today.

We've had EO and AA for decades, and until recently DEI.

I'm all for means tested financial assistance like free meals for kids, subsidies for housing (I've given to those types of charities over the years), but not reparations to people who were not directly impacted by slavery.

So would you then want to be Black for a year and then come back to tell us that African Americans are still not directly impacted from American policies?

Slavery ended sure but what about Jim Crow laws, Water in Flint Michigan and the way families were treated after Hurricane Katrina (qualify as eco-terrorism). The direct and living descendants of the Tulsa Massacre still have not received any reparations from lost homes, land, businesses, family members being chased out by a man angry white mob. The NY Times ran an excellent piece on the impact still effecting those families whose wealth was wiped out in a night.

Let's not forget redlining, educational disparities, banking while black, driving while black, police brutality and a whole of host of other terrorisms and atrocities committed.

But why should the taxpayers of MD, most of whom had no relationship with this, bear the burden of it? Especially at a time when the state faces unprecedented job loss and all of the challenges that will come with it. You are welcome to start a charity fund, but this feels mismatched.

+1 MD, especially MoCo, is made up of a ton of immigrants, from all over. Why should these folks have to pay for what happened to people long dead. Some of these immigrants escaped violence, and now they should pay for something terrible that happened to people who are long dead?

If you come to the US, you get the bad with the good. They don’t get all of the benefits of this “great” country built by enslaved people without paying dues.

This country was neither built exclusively nor primarily by the labor of African slaves. Certain parts of it may have been, but a whole lot of other people were exploited to make the country what is was today.

Not exclusively, but definitely primarily. And because the exploitation was based on the immutable characteristic of race, it meant that your children and their children children (meanwhile, other demographics had the opportunity, often with the help of the government, to build and pass on wealth) and so on and so forth, are also property. This is a main characteristic that distinguished American slavery of Africans from other types of slavery/exploitation, which often allowed people to become free after a period of years and generally did not extend to descendants.

This is delusional... and much of the wealth built on slavery disappeared during the Civil War. The south was basically reduced to subsistence farming until the build up to WWII. The properties and investments of wealthy planters were destroyed. Everybody else in the South was already poor before the war. Are you one of the people who think that blacks make up 41% of the US population?
https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/41556-americans-misestimate-small-subgroups-population

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Can't believe Moore will sign this, though he's probably boxed in. He will be dooming whatever slim chances he had of ever getting the democratic nomination for president.

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Anonymous wrote:One more reason to avoid Maryland. We should study and learn from history, but "reparations" for slavery in the current decade is just imbecilic.

Do you hold that same sentiment for the Native Americans who receive certain economic yearly benefits? What about those who are Jewish descendants of the Holocaust who also receive such benefits? What about the Japanese Internment camp descendants who received reparations?

The US stole Native American land and pushed them into "camps".

Those Japanese who were interned had their livelihoods stolen from them, and they directly received reparations, not the descendants.

The government was not directly involved in the slave trade, though they made it legal. And it's been over 150 years since the slaves have been freed. There are no living slaves or even direct descendants of slaves today.

We've had EO and AA for decades, and until recently DEI.

I'm all for means tested financial assistance like free meals for kids, subsidies for housing (I've given to those types of charities over the years), but not reparations to people who were not directly impacted by slavery.

So would you then want to be Black for a year and then come back to tell us that African Americans are still not directly impacted from American policies?

Slavery ended sure but what about Jim Crow laws, Water in Flint Michigan and the way families were treated after Hurricane Katrina (qualify as eco-terrorism). The direct and living descendants of the Tulsa Massacre still have not received any reparations from lost homes, land, businesses, family members being chased out by a man angry white mob. The NY Times ran an excellent piece on the impact still effecting those families whose wealth was wiped out in a night.

Let's not forget redlining, educational disparities, banking while black, driving while black, police brutality and a whole of host of other terrorisms and atrocities committed.

But why should the taxpayers of MD, most of whom had no relationship with this, bear the burden of it? Especially at a time when the state faces unprecedented job loss and all of the challenges that will come with it. You are welcome to start a charity fund, but this feels mismatched.

+1 MD, especially MoCo, is made up of a ton of immigrants, from all over. Why should these folks have to pay for what happened to people long dead. Some of these immigrants escaped violence, and now they should pay for something terrible that happened to people who are long dead?

If you come to the US, you get the bad with the good. They don’t get all of the benefits of this “great” country built by enslaved people without paying dues.

This country was neither built exclusively nor primarily by the labor of African slaves. Certain parts of it may have been, but a whole lot of other people were exploited to make the country what is was today.

Not exclusively, but definitely primarily. And because the exploitation was based on the immutable characteristic of race, it meant that your children and their children children (meanwhile, other demographics had the opportunity, often with the help of the government, to build and pass on wealth) and so on and so forth, are also property. This is a main characteristic that distinguished American slavery of Africans from other types of slavery/exploitation, which often allowed people to become free after a period of years and generally did not extend to descendants.

Everyone west of the Mississippi begs to differ that Sacramento, Fort Collins, Boise and Seattle exist because of the slave trade.

How was our country founded in the first place? Who funded later expansion? Where did that wealth come from?

It all ties back to the unpaid, forced labor of millions of people.

Of the over twelve million Africans forced into the trans-Atlantic slave trade from the sixteenth to the nineteenth centuries, only four percent – roughly 470,000 men, women, and children – were sent to North America.

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Ask Newsom how that's going in CA Just wasting taxpayer money on "committees" to kick the can down the road indefinitely. Someone gets a nice paying job to sit on committees and suck taxpayer dollars that could be directed towards more meaningful projects the state needs

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Anonymous wrote:One more reason to avoid Maryland. We should study and learn from history, but "reparations" for slavery in the current decade is just imbecilic.

Do you hold that same sentiment for the Native Americans who receive certain economic yearly benefits? What about those who are Jewish descendants of the Holocaust who also receive such benefits? What about the Japanese Internment camp descendants who received reparations?

The US stole Native American land and pushed them into "camps".

Those Japanese who were interned had their livelihoods stolen from them, and they directly received reparations, not the descendants.

The government was not directly involved in the slave trade, though they made it legal. And it's been over 150 years since the slaves have been freed. There are no living slaves or even direct descendants of slaves today.

We've had EO and AA for decades, and until recently DEI.

I'm all for means tested financial assistance like free meals for kids, subsidies for housing (I've given to those types of charities over the years), but not reparations to people who were not directly impacted by slavery.

So would you then want to be Black for a year and then come back to tell us that African Americans are still not directly impacted from American policies?

Slavery ended sure but what about Jim Crow laws, Water in Flint Michigan and the way families were treated after Hurricane Katrina (qualify as eco-terrorism). The direct and living descendants of the Tulsa Massacre still have not received any reparations from lost homes, land, businesses, family members being chased out by a man angry white mob. The NY Times ran an excellent piece on the impact still effecting those families whose wealth was wiped out in a night.

Let's not forget redlining, educational disparities, banking while black, driving while black, police brutality and a whole of host of other terrorisms and atrocities committed.

But why should the taxpayers of MD, most of whom had no relationship with this, bear the burden of it? Especially at a time when the state faces unprecedented job loss and all of the challenges that will come with it. You are welcome to start a charity fund, but this feels mismatched.

+1 MD, especially MoCo, is made up of a ton of immigrants, from all over. Why should these folks have to pay for what happened to people long dead. Some of these immigrants escaped violence, and now they should pay for something terrible that happened to people who are long dead?

If you come to the US, you get the bad with the good. They don’t get all of the benefits of this “great” country built by enslaved people without paying dues.

This country was neither built exclusively nor primarily by the labor of African slaves. Certain parts of it may have been, but a whole lot of other people were exploited to make the country what is was today.

Not exclusively, but definitely primarily. And because the exploitation was based on the immutable characteristic of race, it meant that your children and their children children (meanwhile, other demographics had the opportunity, often with the help of the government, to build and pass on wealth) and so on and so forth, are also property. This is a main characteristic that distinguished American slavery of Africans from other types of slavery/exploitation, which often allowed people to become free after a period of years and generally did not extend to descendants.

Everyone west of the Mississippi begs to differ that Sacramento, Fort Collins, Boise and Seattle exist because of the slave trade.

How was our country founded in the first place? Who funded later expansion? Where did that wealth come from?

It all ties back to the unpaid, forced labor of millions of people.

Of the over twelve million Africans forced into the trans-Atlantic slave trade from the sixteenth to the nineteenth centuries, only four percent – roughly 470,000 men, women, and children – were sent to North America.

And how many people were enslaved in the history of the US? Millions, as I said.

Slavery apologists are absolutely disgusting POSs.

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Anonymous wrote:One more reason to avoid Maryland. We should study and learn from history, but "reparations" for slavery in the current decade is just imbecilic.

Do you hold that same sentiment for the Native Americans who receive certain economic yearly benefits? What about those who are Jewish descendants of the Holocaust who also receive such benefits? What about the Japanese Internment camp descendants who received reparations?

The US stole Native American land and pushed them into "camps".

Those Japanese who were interned had their livelihoods stolen from them, and they directly received reparations, not the descendants.

The government was not directly involved in the slave trade, though they made it legal. And it's been over 150 years since the slaves have been freed. There are no living slaves or even direct descendants of slaves today.

We've had EO and AA for decades, and until recently DEI.

I'm all for means tested financial assistance like free meals for kids, subsidies for housing (I've given to those types of charities over the years), but not reparations to people who were not directly impacted by slavery.

So would you then want to be Black for a year and then come back to tell us that African Americans are still not directly impacted from American policies?

Slavery ended sure but what about Jim Crow laws, Water in Flint Michigan and the way families were treated after Hurricane Katrina (qualify as eco-terrorism). The direct and living descendants of the Tulsa Massacre still have not received any reparations from lost homes, land, businesses, family members being chased out by a man angry white mob. The NY Times ran an excellent piece on the impact still effecting those families whose wealth was wiped out in a night.

Let's not forget redlining, educational disparities, banking while black, driving while black, police brutality and a whole of host of other terrorisms and atrocities committed.

But why should the taxpayers of MD, most of whom had no relationship with this, bear the burden of it? Especially at a time when the state faces unprecedented job loss and all of the challenges that will come with it. You are welcome to start a charity fund, but this feels mismatched.

+1 MD, especially MoCo, is made up of a ton of immigrants, from all over. Why should these folks have to pay for what happened to people long dead. Some of these immigrants escaped violence, and now they should pay for something terrible that happened to people who are long dead?

If you come to the US, you get the bad with the good. They don’t get all of the benefits of this “great” country built by enslaved people without paying dues.

This country was neither built exclusively nor primarily by the labor of African slaves. Certain parts of it may have been, but a whole lot of other people were exploited to make the country what is was today.

Not exclusively, but definitely primarily. And because the exploitation was based on the immutable characteristic of race, it meant that your children and their children children (meanwhile, other demographics had the opportunity, often with the help of the government, to build and pass on wealth) and so on and so forth, are also property. This is a main characteristic that distinguished American slavery of Africans from other types of slavery/exploitation, which often allowed people to become free after a period of years and generally did not extend to descendants.

This is delusional... and much of the wealth built on slavery disappeared during the Civil War. The south was basically reduced to subsistence farming until the build up to WWII. The properties and investments of wealthy planters were destroyed. Everybody else in the South was already poor before the war. Are you one of the people who think that blacks make up 41% of the US population?
https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/41556-americans-misestimate-small-subgroups-population

And the economy in the north (textiles, shipping, etc.) was supplied by the cheap cotton grown in the south.

The exploitation of enslaved people drove US prosperity.

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Anonymous wrote:One more reason to avoid Maryland. We should study and learn from history, but "reparations" for slavery in the current decade is just imbecilic.

Do you hold that same sentiment for the Native Americans who receive certain economic yearly benefits? What about those who are Jewish descendants of the Holocaust who also receive such benefits? What about the Japanese Internment camp descendants who received reparations?

The US stole Native American land and pushed them into "camps".

Those Japanese who were interned had their livelihoods stolen from them, and they directly received reparations, not the descendants.

The government was not directly involved in the slave trade, though they made it legal. And it's been over 150 years since the slaves have been freed. There are no living slaves or even direct descendants of slaves today.

We've had EO and AA for decades, and until recently DEI.

I'm all for means tested financial assistance like free meals for kids, subsidies for housing (I've given to those types of charities over the years), but not reparations to people who were not directly impacted by slavery.

So would you then want to be Black for a year and then come back to tell us that African Americans are still not directly impacted from American policies?

Slavery ended sure but what about Jim Crow laws, Water in Flint Michigan and the way families were treated after Hurricane Katrina (qualify as eco-terrorism). The direct and living descendants of the Tulsa Massacre still have not received any reparations from lost homes, land, businesses, family members being chased out by a man angry white mob. The NY Times ran an excellent piece on the impact still effecting those families whose wealth was wiped out in a night.

Let's not forget redlining, educational disparities, banking while black, driving while black, police brutality and a whole of host of other terrorisms and atrocities committed.

By their black mayor?

By their white president’s white boy “Brownie”. Remember FEMA? The agency that all of our tax dollars are paying for?

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Why spend the time and money to study something that is impossible to implement? First, Maryland is in debt and facing a serious financial crisis. Second, voters will hate this. Third, if the state approved reparations, they would get sued and spend years battling this out in Courts. This seems more performative than serious and seems really, really poorly timed.

Why spend the time and money to study something that is impossible to implement? First, Maryland is in debt and facing a serious financial crisis. Second, voters will hate this. Third, if the state approved reparations, they would get sued and spend years battling this out in Courts. This seems more performative than serious and seems really, really poorly timed.

Why spend the time and money to study something that is impossible to implement? First, Maryland is in debt and facing a serious financial crisis. Second, voters will hate this. Third, if the state approved reparations, they would get sued and spend years battling this out in Courts. This seems more performative than serious and seems really, really poorly timed.


Ok. So please explain to me exactly how the PP knows what a majority of Maryland voters actually want with respect to this issue — or any other issue where they haven’t voted or used some other means to make their /our wishes known.

It’s pretty common for people who can’t be bothered to actually defend their positions to overgeneralize — and hope that no one actually calls them on it.

When I use the term "voters" I was implying that the majority of voters would not support reparations. Maybe I am wrong, but given the state of the MD economy and the already high tax burden, I don't think there would be much support for reparations. Maybe ask voters if they support spending money on a committee to explore the issue? I am confident that the answer would be a hard "no"

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Anonymous wrote:Why spend the time and money to study something that is impossible to implement? First, Maryland is in debt and facing a serious financial crisis. Second, voters will hate this. Third, if the state approved reparations, they would get sued and spend years battling this out in Courts. This seems more performative than serious and seems really, really poorly timed.

Why spend the time and money to study something that is impossible to implement? First, Maryland is in debt and facing a serious financial crisis. Second, voters will hate this. Third, if the state approved reparations, they would get sued and spend years battling this out in Courts. This seems more performative than serious and seems really, really poorly timed.

Why spend the time and money to study something that is impossible to implement? First, Maryland is in debt and facing a serious financial crisis. Second, voters will hate this. Third, if the state approved reparations, they would get sued and spend years battling this out in Courts. This seems more performative than serious and seems really, really poorly timed.


Ok. So please explain to me exactly how the PP knows what a majority of Maryland voters actually want with respect to this issue — or any other issue where they haven’t voted or used some other means to make their /our wishes known.

It’s pretty common for people who can’t be bothered to actually defend their positions to overgeneralize — and hope that no one actually calls them on it.

When I use the term "voters" I was implying that the majority of voters would not support reparations. Maybe I am wrong, but given the state of the MD economy and the already high tax burden, I don't think there would be much support for reparations. Maybe ask voters if they support spending money on a committee to explore the issue? I am confident that the answer would be a hard "no"

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Anonymous wrote:One more reason to avoid Maryland. We should study and learn from history, but "reparations" for slavery in the current decade is just imbecilic.

Do you hold that same sentiment for the Native Americans who receive certain economic yearly benefits? What about those who are Jewish descendants of the Holocaust who also receive such benefits? What about the Japanese Internment camp descendants who received reparations?

What benefits do the descendants of Holocaust victims receive from the US govt?

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Anonymous wrote:My Parents came over in 1962. We had zero to do with slavery. Do we get a waiver?

No, because you and they benefitted from white privilege. For instance, the USDA, Dept of Agriculture moved many white immigrants to states which were largely underpopulated, gave them land and then taught how to farm, have them low interest rates and gave them grants/loans for farming equipment.

Let's not also forget GI bills which locked African Americans out of home building relate but gave first generation immigrants opportunity.

All of this can be easily Googled or read in books.

I did? Odd, I’m not white….

Don’t bother me with facts!!

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Anonymous wrote:One more reason to avoid Maryland. We should study and learn from history, but "reparations" for slavery in the current decade is just imbecilic.

Do you hold that same sentiment for the Native Americans who receive certain economic yearly benefits? What about those who are Jewish descendants of the Holocaust who also receive such benefits? What about the Japanese Internment camp descendants who received reparations?

What benefits do the descendants of Holocaust victims receive from the US govt?

I suppose the question might be, how exactly did Maryland government contribute to slavery? Did the Maryland government hold slaves? Slavery was legal at a federal level and Maryland could do little about the practice without triggering a civil war. It seems like this should be relatively easy to answer, i.e., not several million dollars of studies.

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Anonymous wrote:One more reason to avoid Maryland. We should study and learn from history, but "reparations" for slavery in the current decade is just imbecilic.

Do you hold that same sentiment for the Native Americans who receive certain economic yearly benefits? What about those who are Jewish descendants of the Holocaust who also receive such benefits? What about the Japanese Internment camp descendants who received reparations?

What benefits do the descendants of Holocaust victims receive from the US govt?

I don’t know the answer to this question, but I know that Germany has paid/pays only to Holocaust victims, not to their descendants.