Typical asian student chance me

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Anonymous wrote:National Awards are dime a dozen.

What National Awards will add more value to a student with a similar profile/SAT/GPA?

With this kind of stats, I think stem award is quite remote for this kid, scholastic art and writing gold can help a lot.

Scholastic art&writing awards are not easy. Unlike math competitions, you can’t drill to get art and writing awards. If the kid doesn’t have the talent, no, those awards are even more remote.

You can't "drill" and get national awards in math either (e.g. AMO bronze/silver/gold or MOP placement, HMMT top 10, PUMAC top 10 etc)

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Anonymous wrote:National Awards are dime a dozen.

What National Awards will add more value to a student with a similar profile/SAT/GPA?

With this kind of stats, I think stem award is quite remote for this kid, scholastic art and writing gold can help a lot.

Scholastic art&writing awards are not easy. Unlike math competitions, you can’t drill to get art and writing awards. If the kid doesn’t have the talent, no, those awards are even more remote.

You can't "drill" and get national awards in math either (e.g. AMO bronze/silver/gold or MOP placement, HMMT top 10, PUMAC top 10 etc)

PP mentioned Scholastic gold key, which is not a national award, so it's equivalent to AIME.
I personally know so many Asian parents have their kids drill for math competition starting a young age. While it might be difficult to get AMO by drilling, AIME level is achievable.
Not the case for Scholastic, even at the gold key level.

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Anonymous wrote:SAT score between 1520 and 1560, a GPA above 3.975, 7–8 AP exams all scored 5, with some involvement in sports and music, some community service, and some research/paper work.

Forget top 30 colleges and focus on lower ranking privates or state schools.

lol?
what?
yeah, no. my asian kid is at an ivy with lower stats.

Lucky one, your kid must be an outlier.

My kid with much strong stats, 1590,13APs, multiple leaderships, numerous state awards, national award but not top, volunteer award plus law firm part-time job, rejected by all Ivies applied , bottom ones didn't apply.
End up in top lac.

Nope - just private HS.
Non-stem and non-stereotypical so really stood out.

My kid is also Non-stem and non-stereotypical, what make your DC stood out? ranked at the top?

Uncommon ECs, interests and jobs - followed a true internal interest/drive. We (parents) know nothing about this area and couldn’t have helped even if we wanted to.

Give your kid the space and time to find what they’d do/study/learn if no one else was there. Then have them do that, even if it seems strange.

Tiger parents mentality: if the kid’s interest is not math/engineering related, they are going to freak out.

Because those parents were in math/engineering majors, don't think liberal art majors can make decent money for living. Understandable as first generation immigrants.

Not at all. Plenty of first gen college students major in business, finance, accounting, prelaw... any major where jobs are plentiful and pays well.

Outside of business, most of these are not majors at selective private schools. They are mostly vocational state Flagship majors.

? selective privates don't have prelaw type majors?

As to your "vocational" school comment, that's very 1950s thinking, grandma/grandpa.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:National Awards are dime a dozen.

What National Awards will add more value to a student with a similar profile/SAT/GPA?

With this kind of stats, I think stem award is quite remote for this kid, scholastic art and writing gold can help a lot.

Scholastic art&writing awards are not easy. Unlike math competitions, you can’t drill to get art and writing awards. If the kid doesn’t have the talent, no, those awards are even more remote.

You can't "drill" and get national awards in math either (e.g. AMO bronze/silver/gold or MOP placement, HMMT top 10, PUMAC top 10 etc)

PP mentioned Scholastic gold key, which is not a national award, so it's equivalent to AIME.
I personally know so many Asian parents have their kids drill for math competition starting a young age. While it might be difficult to get AMO by drilling, AIME level is achievable.
Not the case for Scholastic, even at the gold key level.

Oh, please. Private art lessons and supplies from an early age. Writing tutors who edit your work. Art teachers who critique your composition.

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Anonymous wrote:SAT score between 1520 and 1560, a GPA above 3.975, 7–8 AP exams all scored 5, with some involvement in sports and music, some community service, and some research/paper work.

Forget top 30 colleges and focus on lower ranking privates or state schools.

lol?
what?
yeah, no. my asian kid is at an ivy with lower stats.

Lucky one, your kid must be an outlier.

My kid with much strong stats, 1590,13APs, multiple leaderships, numerous state awards, national award but not top, volunteer award plus law firm part-time job, rejected by all Ivies applied , bottom ones didn't apply.
End up in top lac.

Nope - just private HS.
Non-stem and non-stereotypical so really stood out.

My kid is also Non-stem and non-stereotypical, what make your DC stood out? ranked at the top?

Uncommon ECs, interests and jobs - followed a true internal interest/drive. We (parents) know nothing about this area and couldn’t have helped even if we wanted to.

Give your kid the space and time to find what they’d do/study/learn if no one else was there. Then have them do that, even if it seems strange.

Tiger parents mentality: if the kid’s interest is not math/engineering related, they are going to freak out.

Because those parents were in math/engineering majors, don't think liberal art majors can make decent money for living. Understandable as first generation immigrants.

Not at all. Plenty of first gen college students major in business, finance, accounting, prelaw... any major where jobs are plentiful and pays well.

Outside of business, most of these are not majors at selective private schools. They are mostly vocational state Flagship majors.

? selective privates don't have prelaw type majors?

As to your "vocational" school comment, that's very 1950s thinking, grandma/grandpa.

Np.
Nope, pre let’s go over here law is not a major. Neither is premed. It is a track. People who pursue law school typically major in humanities or social sciences or frankly anything… Same for premed.

Accounting is absolutely a vocational major. Very 1st gen minded of you.

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Anonymous wrote:SAT score between 1520 and 1560, a GPA above 3.975, 7–8 AP exams all scored 5, with some involvement in sports and music, some community service, and some research/paper work.

Forget top 30 colleges and focus on lower ranking privates or state schools.

lol?
what?
yeah, no. my asian kid is at an ivy with lower stats.

Lucky one, your kid must be an outlier.

My kid with much strong stats, 1590,13APs, multiple leaderships, numerous state awards, national award but not top, volunteer award plus law firm part-time job, rejected by all Ivies applied , bottom ones didn't apply.
End up in top lac.

Nope - just private HS.
Non-stem and non-stereotypical so really stood out.

My kid is also Non-stem and non-stereotypical, what make your DC stood out? ranked at the top?

Uncommon ECs, interests and jobs - followed a true internal interest/drive. We (parents) know nothing about this area and couldn’t have helped even if we wanted to.

Give your kid the space and time to find what they’d do/study/learn if no one else was there. Then have them do that, even if it seems strange.

Tiger parents mentality: if the kid’s interest is not math/engineering related, they are going to freak out.

Because those parents were in math/engineering majors, don't think liberal art majors can make decent money for living. Understandable as first generation immigrants.

Not at all. Plenty of first gen college students major in business, finance, accounting, prelaw... any major where jobs are plentiful and pays well.

Outside of business, most of these are not majors at selective private schools. They are mostly vocational state Flagship majors.

? selective privates don't have prelaw type majors?

As to your "vocational" school comment, that's very 1950s thinking, grandma/grandpa.

Np.
Nope, pre let’s go over here law is not a major. Neither is premed. It is a track. People who pursue law school typically major in humanities or social sciences or frankly anything… Same for premed.

Accounting is absolutely a vocational major. Very 1st gen minded of you.

Well, yes, "pre law" track means they do major in humanities (other than business, as you stated up thread), so my point still stands.

I'd rather be "first gen" minded with a good paying job than an old fashioned minded broke person.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SAT score between 1520 and 1560, a GPA above 3.975, 7–8 AP exams all scored 5, with some involvement in sports and music, some community service, and some research/paper work.

Forget top 30 colleges and focus on lower ranking privates or state schools.

lol?
what?
yeah, no. my asian kid is at an ivy with lower stats.

Lucky one, your kid must be an outlier.

My kid with much strong stats, 1590,13APs, multiple leaderships, numerous state awards, national award but not top, volunteer award plus law firm part-time job, rejected by all Ivies applied , bottom ones didn't apply.
End up in top lac.

Nope - just private HS.
Non-stem and non-stereotypical so really stood out.

My kid is also Non-stem and non-stereotypical, what make your DC stood out? ranked at the top?

Uncommon ECs, interests and jobs - followed a true internal interest/drive. We (parents) know nothing about this area and couldn’t have helped even if we wanted to.

Give your kid the space and time to find what they’d do/study/learn if no one else was there. Then have them do that, even if it seems strange.

Tiger parents mentality: if the kid’s interest is not math/engineering related, they are going to freak out.

Because those parents were in math/engineering majors, don't think liberal art majors can make decent money for living. Understandable as first generation immigrants.

Not at all. Plenty of first gen college students major in business, finance, accounting, prelaw... any major where jobs are plentiful and pays well.

Outside of business, most of these are not majors at selective private schools. They are mostly vocational state Flagship majors.

? selective privates don't have prelaw type majors?

As to your "vocational" school comment, that's very 1950s thinking, grandma/grandpa.

Np.
Nope, pre let’s go over here law is not a major. Neither is premed. It is a track. People who pursue law school typically major in humanities or social sciences or frankly anything… Same for premed.

Accounting is absolutely a vocational major. Very 1st gen minded of you.

Well, yes, "pre law" track means they do major in humanities (other than business, as you stated up thread), so my point still stands.

I'd rather be "first gen" minded with a good paying job than an old fashioned minded broke person.

WTF? Two of my law school friends were engineers. Others were biology and chemistry majors.

Please stop. You really have no idea what you’re talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SAT score between 1520 and 1560, a GPA above 3.975, 7–8 AP exams all scored 5, with some involvement in sports and music, some community service, and some research/paper work.

This is definitely a large suburb public school.

In any decent private school, a GPA above 3.975 would not have any problem at all with at least one or two of T20. Heck, a GPA above 3.7 and mediocre ECs would place OP reasonably well if in a decent private school.

Different story in a public school. That GPA is not good enough with grade inflation. OP is better off working on a spike, large or small. Things like leadership, unique job would help.

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What about rigor?

Does anyone else think 8 APs are not enough for a T-20 college? Especially if coming from a large, suburban public school that offers tons of AP classes and other classmates take more?

We’re not in CA, but DC is at a solid suburban public and will have 11 APs - 2 in 10th, 4 in 11th, and 5 in 12th, including Calc BC, AP Bio, AP Lang, AP Lit, and Physics C.

This is definitly on the high side at our public school, but there at least three other kids in the grade (Asian boys) who will have more - 12 APs plus multiple dual enrollments. They spent their first two summers taking extra classes to “get ahead”.

APs are not rigorous. You just need 70% correct to get 5 on an AP test.

Sure. If that’s true, then why not take more than 8 AP classes in high school. Do you think they’re less rigorous than honors or grade-level classes?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:National Awards are dime a dozen.

What National Awards will add more value to a student with a similar profile/SAT/GPA?

With this kind of stats, I think stem award is quite remote for this kid, scholastic art and writing gold can help a lot.

Scholastic art&writing awards are not easy. Unlike math competitions, you can’t drill to get art and writing awards. If the kid doesn’t have the talent, no, those awards are even more remote.

You can't "drill" and get national awards in math either (e.g. AMO bronze/silver/gold or MOP placement, HMMT top 10, PUMAC top 10 etc)

PP mentioned Scholastic gold key, which is not a national award, so it's equivalent to AIME.
I personally know so many Asian parents have their kids drill for math competition starting a young age. While it might be difficult to get AMO by drilling, AIME level is achievable.
Not the case for Scholastic, even at the gold key level.

Oh, please. Private art lessons and supplies from an early age. Writing tutors who edit your work. Art teachers who critique your composition.

True. AIME and gold key are not impressive. They won't do much for your college applications.

Only when you rise to campers, or Scholastic/Young arts national award level, it helps with T20/T5.

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If OP stops the obsession with the college ranking and the Ivy League, there are plenty of good schools that will provide a solid education for OP. Try not to be narrow minded.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:National Awards are dime a dozen.

What National Awards will add more value to a student with a similar profile/SAT/GPA?

With this kind of stats, I think stem award is quite remote for this kid, scholastic art and writing gold can help a lot.

Scholastic art&writing awards are not easy. Unlike math competitions, you can’t drill to get art and writing awards. If the kid doesn’t have the talent, no, those awards are even more remote.

You can't "drill" and get national awards in math either (e.g. AMO bronze/silver/gold or MOP placement, HMMT top 10, PUMAC top 10 etc)

PP mentioned Scholastic gold key, which is not a national award, so it's equivalent to AIME.
I personally know so many Asian parents have their kids drill for math competition starting a young age. While it might be difficult to get AMO by drilling, AIME level is achievable.
Not the case for Scholastic, even at the gold key level.

A Scholastic gold key can win at the national level ( all gold keys are submitted for national award consideration). Only about 5% win it. That's a notable EC.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:National Awards are dime a dozen.

What National Awards will add more value to a student with a similar profile/SAT/GPA?

With this kind of stats, I think stem award is quite remote for this kid, scholastic art and writing gold can help a lot.

Scholastic art&writing awards are not easy. Unlike math competitions, you can’t drill to get art and writing awards. If the kid doesn’t have the talent, no, those awards are even more remote.

You can't "drill" and get national awards in math either (e.g. AMO bronze/silver/gold or MOP placement, HMMT top 10, PUMAC top 10 etc)

PP mentioned Scholastic gold key, which is not a national award, so it's equivalent to AIME.
I personally know so many Asian parents have their kids drill for math competition starting a young age. While it might be difficult to get AMO by drilling, AIME level is achievable.
Not the case for Scholastic, even at the gold key level.

Not true. Have you seen the list of Scholastic writing winners in this area? Most winners are Asian. Look it up. They hire writing tutors.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:National Awards are dime a dozen.

What National Awards will add more value to a student with a similar profile/SAT/GPA?

With this kind of stats, I think stem award is quite remote for this kid, scholastic art and writing gold can help a lot.

Scholastic art&writing awards are not easy. Unlike math competitions, you can’t drill to get art and writing awards. If the kid doesn’t have the talent, no, those awards are even more remote.

You can't "drill" and get national awards in math either (e.g. AMO bronze/silver/gold or MOP placement, HMMT top 10, PUMAC top 10 etc)

PP mentioned Scholastic gold key, which is not a national award, so it's equivalent to AIME.
I personally know so many Asian parents have their kids drill for math competition starting a young age. While it might be difficult to get AMO by drilling, AIME level is achievable.
Not the case for Scholastic, even at the gold key level.

Not true. Have you seen the list of Scholastic writing winners in this area? Most winners are Asian. Look it up. They hire writing tutors.

I am not sure—is it as simple as hiring a writing tutor? Then in theory anyone can win a gold key or even a national award.

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Try ED UChicago if the school has a relation with UChicago. Honestly it’s tough.

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After reading today's "disappointment" post, how would you chance the applicant in this post?