Do MAGA not realize that cancelling DEI will greatly affect women’s careers?

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Anonymous wrote:Its well know that women, particularly white women are the most product workers - generally speaking. As a long time corporate manager, I know this to be true from personal experience. I think killing DEI was targeted towards others.

Oh it’s totally targeted at Black people but nobody is will say it out loud.

DEI not targeting any white women, Asians. No impact there. Target is black and hispanic men and women

No, it will also impact white/Asian women in male dominated industries.

-50s Asian woman in high tech industry for the past 20 years

Asiana are behind this new wave anti-DEI movement. They have declared that we are in a post-racial society, race doesn't need to be discussed, and that they are a value-added to society due to their superior intelligence, work ethic, and family-orientedness, and that DEI prevents them from being the ruling class to their full potential.

Those Asians are a minority, and they probably have not lived here long enough to have experienced discriminatory policies against women because we've had protections for decades now. Trump admin's reversal of protecting women's rights will be felt by all women.

I was born here. I've seen my own parents go through discrimination at work. I also experienced it to some degree.

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Anonymous wrote:My dad runs a medium sized business.. He no longer hires women under 40. They leave for babies and don't come back. It costs a fortune to train and replace them. Women have screwed themselves.

? yea, how dare they have children...?

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Anonymous wrote:Forget DEI. It's the strict RTO order that will affect the careers of many more women, especially those who have children.

As a woman, I am less sensitive to RTO. If man can return, women can. We don't need different standards. If you married a sexist man who doesn't support you, that on you. You are perpetuating the sexism and setting that example for your kids.

The DEI thing is real though. I'm in a fortune 500 going through layoffs. 100% of the women in my team (5) were let go, only 1 man. Some of the women were the highest performers, so it's really not about competence - we have scores annually, so this is not subjective data. HR complaints were made and literally no one cares. That's a real problem for women.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, OP. So women are just DEI hires in your view?

Wow.

Do you not know hard it was for a woman to get hired into a high paying jobs before DEI?

Do you not know that they only promoted white males?

Do you not know that the academia was primarily white males?

I work in tech and in my company I’m the only woman across all the US teams.

In my circle of friends most women are either SAMs ot work low paying jobs. Very few women I know have highly paid jobs.

Odd because I know a lot of women with great high-paying jobs. I’ve always out-earned my white male husband. If you really think the only way for a woman to make it is to be prioritized as a woman rather than based on merit, you must view women as fundamentally incapable of competing on their own. On that point, you’re wrong.

I’m sure you make a lot of money (what a great American accomplishment), but you are clearly not very wise, and you are a poor student of history. Why don’t you educate yourself before you mouth off again to people who actually understand WTF they’re talking about…

I’m not the PP but we do have to move on from history. We are not our mothers.

When I was a fed many years ago, the leadership was majority women. Not in a female dominated field either. Not DEI and no thought of any law. They simply were better. That’s similar to my experience in the private sector at several different places.

It’s time to take off the training wheels, ladies.

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

You’re correct: we are not our mothers. Our mothers fought for their rights, our rights, and our daughters’ rights. But rather than protect and defend the progress they made, in our hubris we are choosing to throw it all away.

We’re talking about DEI stuff that’s been around since 2021 maybe? How is that throwing anything away. It wasn’t law. It wasn’t anything.

DEI were policies pushed onto corporations that required them not to have 100% white male workforce and management.

Equal Opportunities Act that Trump is cancelling also played into that.

I’m just astounded at the ignorance of MAGA who think DEI only involves transgender people.

They actually have no idea what they have done.

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Anonymous wrote:Women are competent and good workers and showed that well before DEI became a trend. There are no meaningful IQ differences between men and women.

but do you know how hard it was for women to get hired before DEI or promoted?

What??? I never had any issues.

I was born in 1960. When I was growing up, jobs were advertised under "men" and "women." My mom couldn't get her own credit card or bank account until I was a teenager. Discrimination against women for gender including pay inequity, housing (e.g. not renting or selling to women), firing women for pregnancy, not hiring women with children was completely legal.

In the 70s reforms happened, but it's not as if they happened, were complied with, or were enforced overnight.

In 1981, Kirchberg v. Feenstra, 450 U.S. 455, 459-60, overturned state laws designating a husband “head and master” with unilateral control of property owned jointly with his wife. I was a junior in college that year.

None of this was that long ago.

Most of us have had "issues."

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I’m not the PP but we do have to move on from history. We are not our mothers.

When I was a fed many years ago, the leadership was majority women. Not in a female dominated field either. Not DEI and no thought of any law. They simply were better. That’s similar to my experience in the private sector at several different places.

It’s time to take off the training wheels, ladies.

Lols. “No thought of any law”? You don’t know of many laws had to be passed for women to be able to be there? You don’t know that it was pushed onto the corporate America in 90s that they should not promote only white males into management?

Are you a guy?

Okay, so are we going to have our eyes forward or behind?

Are we going to outcompete or not?

From what I see, we are outcompeting.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, OP. So women are just DEI hires in your view?

Wow.

Do you not know hard it was for a woman to get hired into a high paying jobs before DEI?

Do you not know that they only promoted white males?

Do you not know that the academia was primarily white males?

I work in tech and in my company I’m the only woman across all the US teams.

In my circle of friends most women are either SAMs ot work low paying jobs. Very few women I know have highly paid jobs.

Odd because I know a lot of women with great high-paying jobs. I’ve always out-earned my white male husband. If you really think the only way for a woman to make it is to be prioritized as a woman rather than based on merit, you must view women as fundamentally incapable of competing on their own. On that point, you’re wrong.

I’m sure you make a lot of money (what a great American accomplishment), but you are clearly not very wise, and you are a poor student of history. Why don’t you educate yourself before you mouth off again to people who actually understand WTF they’re talking about…

I’m not the PP but we do have to move on from history. We are not our mothers.

When I was a fed many years ago, the leadership was majority women. Not in a female dominated field either. Not DEI and no thought of any law. They simply were better. That’s similar to my experience in the private sector at several different places.

It’s time to take off the training wheels, ladies.

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

You’re correct: we are not our mothers. Our mothers fought for their rights, our rights, and our daughters’ rights. But rather than protect and defend the progress they made, in our hubris we are choosing to throw it all away.

We’re talking about DEI stuff that’s been around since 2021 maybe? How is that throwing anything away. It wasn’t law. It wasn’t anything.

DEI were policies pushed onto corporations that required them not to have 100% white male workforce and management.

Equal Opportunities Act that Trump is cancelling also played into that.

I’m just astounded at the ignorance of MAGA who think DEI only involves transgender people.

They actually have no idea what they have done.

They know, stop giving them a pass.

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You’re right about how things were in the 60’s and 70’ and maybe even 80’s when I graduated from college. Yes I was asked similar questions. But so much changed from 80’s-90’s which was 30-40 years ago. DEI is a few years ago and a trend. We are not undoing what was accomplished since the 70’s and 80’s. We are going to be fine as women. It’s a competitive world out there. May the best man or woman get the job. And yes it will always be harder on women who want children. Always.

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Okay, so are we going to have our eyes forward or behind?

Are we going to outcompete or not?

From what I see, we are outcompeting.

OMG how do you still not know it’s not about being capable and performing.

You can outcompete all day long as a woman, but you will not get hired because they prefer to hire a bro.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re right about how things were in the 60’s and 70’ and maybe even 80’s when I graduated from college. Yes I was asked similar questions. But so much changed from 80’s-90’s which was 30-40 years ago. DEI is a few years ago and a trend. We are not undoing what was accomplished since the 70’s and 80’s. We are going to be fine as women. It’s a competitive world out there. May the best man or woman get the job. And yes it will always be harder on women who want children. Always.

Diversity and inclusion policy started decades ago and just now got somewhere. You were able to have a non secretarial job out of college because of DEI.

You have undone what took decades to build for women.

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Anonymous wrote:Forget DEI. It's the strict RTO order that will affect the careers of many more women, especially those who have children.

As a woman, I am less sensitive to RTO. If man can return, women can. We don't need different standards. If you married a sexist man who doesn't support you, that on you. You are perpetuating the sexism and setting that example for your kids.

The DEI thing is real though. I'm in a fortune 500 going through layoffs. 100% of the women in my team (5) were let go, only 1 man. Some of the women were the highest performers, so it's really not about competence - we have scores annually, so this is not subjective data. HR complaints were made and literally no one cares. That's a real problem for women.

Exactly. And even if those women bring a lawsuit, it won't go anywhere with today's anti-DEI movement.

Women and minorities are f*d with this administration. We tried to warn women. Thank goodness my DD is only 16. There's still time for change for her, but for working aged women today, any anti-discrimination policies are FUBAR.

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I’m not the PP but we do have to move on from history. We are not our mothers.

When I was a fed many years ago, the leadership was majority women. Not in a female dominated field either. Not DEI and no thought of any law. They simply were better. That’s similar to my experience in the private sector at several different places.

It’s time to take off the training wheels, ladies.

Lols. “No thought of any law”? You don’t know of many laws had to be passed for women to be able to be there? You don’t know that it was pushed onto the corporate America in 90s that they should not promote only white males into management?

Are you a guy?

Okay, so are we going to have our eyes forward or behind?

Are we going to outcompete or not?

From what I see, we are outcompeting.

? This is like how Clarence Thomas is completely obtuse about how he got to where he's at now and DEI.

You are an idiot, just like Thomas.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re right about how things were in the 60’s and 70’ and maybe even 80’s when I graduated from college. Yes I was asked similar questions. But so much changed from 80’s-90’s which was 30-40 years ago. DEI is a few years ago and a trend. We are not undoing what was accomplished since the 70’s and 80’s. We are going to be fine as women. It’s a competitive world out there. May the best man or woman get the job. And yes it will always be harder on women who want children. Always.

do you not see what is going on with Mump's administration? They don't want any protections at all for women.

Your manager will be able to fire you for getting pregnant. Do you really think Mump's administration will care about that?

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Anonymous wrote:You’re right about how things were in the 60’s and 70’ and maybe even 80’s when I graduated from college. Yes I was asked similar questions. But so much changed from 80’s-90’s which was 30-40 years ago. DEI is a few years ago and a trend. We are not undoing what was accomplished since the 70’s and 80’s. We are going to be fine as women. It’s a competitive world out there. May the best man or woman get the job. And yes it will always be harder on women who want children. Always.

Diversity and inclusion policy started decades ago and just now got somewhere. You were able to have a non secretarial job out of college because of DEI.

You have undone what took decades to build for women.

+1 I think MAGA just hears DEI and thinks "trans people" or "minorities". They don't seem to realize that Trump's admin is going after ALL forms of equal opportunity type regulations and programs.

We women got to where we are on the shoulders of women from the 60s/70s/80s who fought for women's rights, ie DEI. It was called something else back then, but don't kid yourselves.. it was considered the DEI of that time.

Women who voted for Trump have f*d us all.

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Non discrimination is enough for women. Create a pre employment exam or writing assignment without disclosing gender or race. I am 1000% confident I can compete with a man in my field. If I can't compete in a blind test I don't want the job. I don't need a quota of women or extra points. That's DEI.