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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t see any religious group on this forum insisting that people believe in their faith tradition. I only see atheists telling people to become atheist. Atheists are proselytizing, pretty weird.

Please provide an example of an atheist proselytizing. To some religious people, atheists simply expressing their views seems like proselytizing.

To some atheists, religious people simply expressing their views seems like proselytizing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hate when there is a near miss and someone says “God wanted you to be safe/saved/etc.”

Did God want other who were not so lucky to die? How callous.

When wondering why God would allow bad things to happen to good people, it’s also good to consider these four things about the bad things that happen:

1) Bad things may happen to good people in this world, but this world is not the end. Christians have an eternal perspective: “We do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal” (2 Corinthians 4:16–18). We will have a reward some day, and it will be glorious.

2) Bad things happen to good people, but God uses those bad things for an ultimate, lasting good. “We know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose” (Romans 8:28). When Joseph, innocent of wrongdoing, finally came through his horrific sufferings, he was able to see God’s good plan in it all (see Genesis 50:19–21).

3) Bad things happen to good people, but those bad things equip believers for deeper ministry. “Praise be to . . . the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves receive from God. For just as we share abundantly in the sufferings of Christ, so also our comfort abounds through Christ” (2 Corinthians 1:3–5). Those with battle scars can better help those going through battles.

4) Bad things happen to good people, and the worst things happened to the best Person. Jesus was the only truly Righteous One, yet He suffered more than we can imagine. We follow in His footsteps: “If you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. ‘He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth.’ When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly” (1 Peter 2:20–23). Jesus is no stranger to our pain.

https://www.gotquestions.org/bad-things-good-people.html

Christians do not believe that their life on earth is the end. Christians believe that their life on earth is a very tiny part of their life. They believe their eternal life with God is the larger and more important life. Saving someone’s earthly life isn’t as important as saving someone’s eternal life.

You do not have to believe anything. You can believe in whatever you want, or nothing, or anything in between. But there’s a large part of Christianity you either don’t know about or purposely ignore when you rant against God being “callous.”

If you think Christianity is callous, that’s your opinion. For billions of people, it’s salvation.

Tired of hearing long explanations for how "God" allowed awful things to happen? Stop believing -- like how you stopped believing in Santa.

Why is it important to you that I don’t believe in God? How is it any of your business?

You don't believe in God? Good to know. It could mean that you're more tolerant overall - and have given up childish beliefs. Welcome to adulthood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate when there is a near miss and someone says “God wanted you to be safe/saved/etc.”

Did God want other who were not so lucky to die? How callous.

When wondering why God would allow bad things to happen to good people, it’s also good to consider these four things about the bad things that happen:

1) Bad things may happen to good people in this world, but this world is not the end. Christians have an eternal perspective: “We do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal” (2 Corinthians 4:16–18). We will have a reward some day, and it will be glorious.

2) Bad things happen to good people, but God uses those bad things for an ultimate, lasting good. “We know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose” (Romans 8:28). When Joseph, innocent of wrongdoing, finally came through his horrific sufferings, he was able to see God’s good plan in it all (see Genesis 50:19–21).

3) Bad things happen to good people, but those bad things equip believers for deeper ministry. “Praise be to . . . the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves receive from God. For just as we share abundantly in the sufferings of Christ, so also our comfort abounds through Christ” (2 Corinthians 1:3–5). Those with battle scars can better help those going through battles.

4) Bad things happen to good people, and the worst things happened to the best Person. Jesus was the only truly Righteous One, yet He suffered more than we can imagine. We follow in His footsteps: “If you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. ‘He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth.’ When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly” (1 Peter 2:20–23). Jesus is no stranger to our pain.

https://www.gotquestions.org/bad-things-good-people.html

Christians do not believe that their life on earth is the end. Christians believe that their life on earth is a very tiny part of their life. They believe their eternal life with God is the larger and more important life. Saving someone’s earthly life isn’t as important as saving someone’s eternal life.

You do not have to believe anything. You can believe in whatever you want, or nothing, or anything in between. But there’s a large part of Christianity you either don’t know about or purposely ignore when you rant against God being “callous.”

If you think Christianity is callous, that’s your opinion. For billions of people, it’s salvation.

Tired of hearing long explanations for how "God" allowed awful things to happen? Stop believing -- like how you stopped believing in Santa.

Why is it important to you that I don’t believe in God? How is it any of your business?

You don't believe in God? Good to know. It could mean that you're more tolerant overall - and have given up childish beliefs. Welcome to adulthood.

There are 2.4 billion Christians worldwide. Are you saying all 2.4 billion of them are childish and not mature adults, if they are adult aged?

Why is that your opinion? Why are only people who don’t believe in God “adults?”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate when there is a near miss and someone says “God wanted you to be safe/saved/etc.”

Did God want other who were not so lucky to die? How callous.

When wondering why God would allow bad things to happen to good people, it’s also good to consider these four things about the bad things that happen:

1) Bad things may happen to good people in this world, but this world is not the end. Christians have an eternal perspective: “We do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal” (2 Corinthians 4:16–18). We will have a reward some day, and it will be glorious.

2) Bad things happen to good people, but God uses those bad things for an ultimate, lasting good. “We know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose” (Romans 8:28). When Joseph, innocent of wrongdoing, finally came through his horrific sufferings, he was able to see God’s good plan in it all (see Genesis 50:19–21).

3) Bad things happen to good people, but those bad things equip believers for deeper ministry. “Praise be to . . . the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves receive from God. For just as we share abundantly in the sufferings of Christ, so also our comfort abounds through Christ” (2 Corinthians 1:3–5). Those with battle scars can better help those going through battles.

4) Bad things happen to good people, and the worst things happened to the best Person. Jesus was the only truly Righteous One, yet He suffered more than we can imagine. We follow in His footsteps: “If you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. ‘He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth.’ When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly” (1 Peter 2:20–23). Jesus is no stranger to our pain.

https://www.gotquestions.org/bad-things-good-people.html

Christians do not believe that their life on earth is the end. Christians believe that their life on earth is a very tiny part of their life. They believe their eternal life with God is the larger and more important life. Saving someone’s earthly life isn’t as important as saving someone’s eternal life.

You do not have to believe anything. You can believe in whatever you want, or nothing, or anything in between. But there’s a large part of Christianity you either don’t know about or purposely ignore when you rant against God being “callous.”

If you think Christianity is callous, that’s your opinion. For billions of people, it’s salvation.

Tired of hearing long explanations for how "God" allowed awful things to happen? Stop believing -- like how you stopped believing in Santa.

Why is it important to you that I don’t believe in God? How is it any of your business?

You don't believe in God? Good to know. It could mean that you're more tolerant overall - and have given up childish beliefs. Welcome to adulthood.

There are 2.4 billion Christians worldwide. Are you saying all 2.4 billion of them are childish and not mature adults, if they are adult aged?

Why is that your opinion? Why are only people who don’t believe in God “adults?”

Not saying that only people who don’t believe in God are adults. You said that. Certainly adults who believe in God are childish in that respect. Thank about it. They no longer believe in other supernatural beings (like fairies, Santa, etc) but they still believe in God. God belief is socially acceptable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate when there is a near miss and someone says “God wanted you to be safe/saved/etc.”

Did God want other who were not so lucky to die? How callous.

When wondering why God would allow bad things to happen to good people, it’s also good to consider these four things about the bad things that happen:

1) Bad things may happen to good people in this world, but this world is not the end. Christians have an eternal perspective: “We do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal” (2 Corinthians 4:16–18). We will have a reward some day, and it will be glorious.

2) Bad things happen to good people, but God uses those bad things for an ultimate, lasting good. “We know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose” (Romans 8:28). When Joseph, innocent of wrongdoing, finally came through his horrific sufferings, he was able to see God’s good plan in it all (see Genesis 50:19–21).

3) Bad things happen to good people, but those bad things equip believers for deeper ministry. “Praise be to . . . the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves receive from God. For just as we share abundantly in the sufferings of Christ, so also our comfort abounds through Christ” (2 Corinthians 1:3–5). Those with battle scars can better help those going through battles.

4) Bad things happen to good people, and the worst things happened to the best Person. Jesus was the only truly Righteous One, yet He suffered more than we can imagine. We follow in His footsteps: “If you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. ‘He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth.’ When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly” (1 Peter 2:20–23). Jesus is no stranger to our pain.

https://www.gotquestions.org/bad-things-good-people.html

Christians do not believe that their life on earth is the end. Christians believe that their life on earth is a very tiny part of their life. They believe their eternal life with God is the larger and more important life. Saving someone’s earthly life isn’t as important as saving someone’s eternal life.

You do not have to believe anything. You can believe in whatever you want, or nothing, or anything in between. But there’s a large part of Christianity you either don’t know about or purposely ignore when you rant against God being “callous.”

If you think Christianity is callous, that’s your opinion. For billions of people, it’s salvation.

Tired of hearing long explanations for how "God" allowed awful things to happen? Stop believing -- like how you stopped believing in Santa.

Why is it important to you that I don’t believe in God? How is it any of your business?

You don't believe in God? Good to know. It could mean that you're more tolerant overall - and have given up childish beliefs. Welcome to adulthood.

There are 2.4 billion Christians worldwide. Are you saying all 2.4 billion of them are childish and not mature adults, if they are adult aged?

Why is that your opinion? Why are only people who don’t believe in God “adults?”

Not saying that only people who don’t believe in God are adults. You said that. Certainly adults who believe in God are childish in that respect. Thank about it. They no longer believe in other supernatural beings (like fairies, Santa, etc) but they still believe in God. God belief is socially acceptable.

Santa is not a supernatural being; he is based on a historical figure.

I don’t know a single adult who believes in fairies? Do you know adults who believe in fairies? Why do they believe in fairies and what role do fairies play in their lives?

[Anonymous]

Santa Claus is a legendary figure who is also known as Saint Nicholas, or St. Nick. The character is based on the life of a 4th century Christian saint who was known for his generosity and charitable acts.

[Anonymous]

I struggle with it when religion is brought in by politicians and public figures who most know are not actually very religious.
A local bishop made a statement involving religion, which was fine and made sense given you could feel the authenticity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Santa Claus is a legendary figure who is also known as Saint Nicholas, or St. Nick. The character is based on the life of a 4th century Christian saint who was known for his generosity and charitable acts.

Is God based on an historical figure? Are fairies?

Do you believe in Santa Claus?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Santa Claus is a legendary figure who is also known as Saint Nicholas, or St. Nick. The character is based on the life of a 4th century Christian saint who was known for his generosity and charitable acts.

Is God based on an historical figure? Are fairies?

Do you believe in Santa Claus?

You are the only one here questioning people about their beliefs and debating/arguing about them. Why are other people’s lives in any way your business? Why do you care? Is your own life not fulfilling and worthy of your time and attention that you must worry about the lives of others?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Santa Claus is a legendary figure who is also known as Saint Nicholas, or St. Nick. The character is based on the life of a 4th century Christian saint who was known for his generosity and charitable acts.

Is God based on an historical figure? Are fairies?

Do you believe in Santa Claus?

Atheists/Anti-theists claim religious people are intolerant and dogmatic, but that's exactly what atheists/anti-theists have become.

They've already written off religion and have certain preconceived notions which will never allow them to sincerely engage in debate.

It’s a waste of time to have a conversation or discussion with atheists and anti-theists like you. You are not engaging in good faith and are intolerant. You don’t have any respect for other people’s beliefs while claiming you are a victim of intolerance.

[Anonymous]

I believe in a higher power and intelligent design, but not that God is ever loving. If that's true, explain the Holocaust.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I believe in a higher power and intelligent design, but not that God is ever loving. If that's true, explain the Holocaust.

Read Lord of the Flies to explain the holocaust.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe in a higher power and intelligent design, but not that God is ever loving. If that's true, explain the Holocaust.

Read Lord of the Flies to explain the holocaust.

What does Lord of the Flies have to do with an ever lasting God?
-NP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Santa Claus is a legendary figure who is also known as Saint Nicholas, or St. Nick. The character is based on the life of a 4th century Christian saint who was known for his generosity and charitable acts.

Is God based on an historical figure? Are fairies?

Do you believe in Santa Claus?

Atheists/Anti-theists claim religious people are intolerant and dogmatic, but that's exactly what atheists/anti-theists have become.

They've already written off religion and have certain preconceived notions which will never allow them to sincerely engage in debate.

It’s a waste of time to have a conversation or discussion with atheists and anti-theists like you. You are not engaging in good faith and are intolerant. You don’t have any respect for other people’s beliefs while claiming you are a victim of intolerance.

I am tolerant and asked you simple questions which you didn't answer, and instead said negative things about me which you cannot know and which actually aren't true. I am also formerly religious and was a regular church goer.

I have not claimed I'm a victim of intolerance and wonder if you feel that you are.

Here are my questions again. Perhaps you, or another poster, will answer them this time.

Is God based on an historical figure? Are fairies? Do you believe in Santa Claus?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe in a higher power and intelligent design, but not that God is ever loving. If that's true, explain the Holocaust.

Read Lord of the Flies to explain the holocaust.

What does Lord of the Flies have to do with an ever lasting God?
-NP

It has to do with how evil comes into the world. Through us.