UChicago ED

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chicago emphasizes ED because it want kids who really want to be there instead of just there because they didn't get into a "more prestigious" school. It has unusual, time consuming essay prompts for the same reason. They also take a lot of private school kids because they know those kids can handle the load and many have tuition $. Bottom line is it's a top school with top academics but their admissions approach is a bit different.

If they are as good as they think they are then maybe they don’t need to force the kids to apply to ED2 or have them commit before removing them from waitlist etc. The fact that they need to resort to these practices implies otherwise. That can also come out and say openly that they want to accept majority of their student they binding decisions but they don’t do that.

The assumption that private school kids are better at handling the workload is BS.

The post said private school kids "can handle the load", not "are better at handling the workload". There is more variability with public schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Got in last year:

1530 / 3.85 unweighted. Weighted was 4.8 / IB diploma / six years foreign language / 2 years calculus and 1 year statistics / two sports / went to three recruiting events / zoom calls / I think he had some sort of contact with them every 1-3 months starting sophomore year

Talking about THIS year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chicago emphasizes ED because it want kids who really want to be there instead of just there because they didn't get into a "more prestigious" school. It has unusual, time consuming essay prompts for the same reason. They also take a lot of private school kids because they know those kids can handle the load and many have tuition $. Bottom line is it's a top school with top academics but their admissions approach is a bit different.

If they are as good as they think they are then maybe they don’t need to force the kids to apply to ED2 or have them commit before removing them from waitlist etc. The fact that they need to resort to these practices implies otherwise. That can also come out and say openly that they want to accept majority of their student they binding decisions but they don’t do that.

The assumption that private school kids are better at handling the workload is BS.

Dp and your critique is very valid, however, on the day to day level, student life being composed almost entirely of students where Uchicago is their 1st and 2nd choice definitely improves student culture. It also has a very strange academic culture that would be miserable for a lot of students at peer institutions.

They really don’t need to prove themselves much anymore. They’ve accelerated their status in lucrative industries and have some of the best graduate programs in the US. Do they lose students to HYP because of their admissions decisions? Sure, but those students want to be at HYP over UChicago in the first place.

Why does Duke not have this issue?

Duke might have issues. People criticize Chicago for not releasing ED stats in the common data set. But Duke stopped participating in the common data set in its entirety. I think Duke is the only T20 school that is not releasing a common data set at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our highly regarded public in Fairfax County had 15 students apply ED1 or ED2 last year. Most were likely full pay given the wealth of our zip codes.

One got in.

For public school students at least, ED is still incredibly competitive.

That is actually pretty good (6%) given their overall acceptance rate is 4%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:what do people think the ed 1 acceptance rate is?

would not be surprised to see it in high 30s or 40s

My money is on 40% or so. So basically the same as Syracuse. So much for snobbery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what do people think the ed 1 acceptance rate is?

would not be surprised to see it in high 30s or 40s

My money is on 40% or so. So basically the same as Syracuse. So much for snobbery.

And if you were capable of critical thinking, you would know that 40 percent is mathematically impossible, given the overall constraints (in 2024, 1,955 students were accepted out of 43,612 applications)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what do people think the ed 1 acceptance rate is?

would not be surprised to see it in high 30s or 40s

My money is on 40% or so. So basically the same as Syracuse. So much for snobbery.

And if you were capable of critical thinking, you would know that 40 percent is mathematically impossible, given the overall constraints (in 2024, 1,955 students were accepted out of 43,612 applications)

I think PP meant 40% of the total incoming students are from ED. Maybe you are just being critical and skipping any kind of thinking?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what do people think the ed 1 acceptance rate is?

would not be surprised to see it in high 30s or 40s

My money is on 40% or so. So basically the same as Syracuse. So much for snobbery.

And if you were capable of critical thinking, you would know that 40 percent is mathematically impossible, given the overall constraints (in 2024, 1,955 students were accepted out of 43,612 applications)

I'm no mathematician but I'm unclear why it's impossible. We don't know how many applicants applied for ED (or EA that turned into ED2). For all we know, about 4,000 of the applications were ED and they accepted 1500 of them (assuming 75% - 80% of the 1,955 were accepted ED). That leaves 39,000 people sadly vying for 400 seats in RD, presumably having fallen victim to slick marketing or - gasp - being unable to commit without knowing about financial aid.

It's really ridiculous that they don't disclose this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what do people think the ed 1 acceptance rate is?

would not be surprised to see it in high 30s or 40s

My money is on 40% or so. So basically the same as Syracuse. So much for snobbery.

And if you were capable of critical thinking, you would know that 40 percent is mathematically impossible, given the overall constraints (in 2024, 1,955 students were accepted out of 43,612 applications)

I think PP meant 40% of the total incoming students are from ED. Maybe you are just being critical and skipping any kind of thinking?

If you read the question, it was about the ED1 acceptance rate, which cannot be 40 percent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what do people think the ed 1 acceptance rate is?

would not be surprised to see it in high 30s or 40s

My money is on 40% or so. So basically the same as Syracuse. So much for snobbery.

And if you were capable of critical thinking, you would know that 40 percent is mathematically impossible, given the overall constraints (in 2024, 1,955 students were accepted out of 43,612 applications)

I think PP meant 40% of the total incoming students are from ED. Maybe you are just being critical and skipping any kind of thinking?

If you read the question, it was about the ED1 acceptance rate, which cannot be 40 percent.

Why can't it? Walk me through the math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what do people think the ed 1 acceptance rate is?

would not be surprised to see it in high 30s or 40s

My money is on 40% or so. So basically the same as Syracuse. So much for snobbery.

And if you were capable of critical thinking, you would know that 40 percent is mathematically impossible, given the overall constraints (in 2024, 1,955 students were accepted out of 43,612 applications)

I'm no mathematician but I'm unclear why it's impossible. We don't know how many applicants applied for ED (or EA that turned into ED2). For all we know, about 4,000 of the applications were ED and they accepted 1500 of them (assuming 75% - 80% of the 1,955 were accepted ED). That leaves 39,000 people sadly vying for 400 seats in RD, presumably having fallen victim to slick marketing or - gasp - being unable to commit without knowing about financial aid.

It's really ridiculous that they don't disclose this.

Let’s simplify the problem. Assume that there are only two paths to being admitted: 1) ED0+ED1+ED2 = ED, with a high and unknown acceptance rate; and 2) EA + RD, with a low acceptance rate of 1 percent.

We also need an assumption about the proportion of ED number of applicants as a proportion of the total. Let’s assume that it is at least as high as in other comparable schools (e.g. Cornell) => 13.5 percent. Since Chicago is known for giving preference to ED, let’s round up that proportion to 15 percent.

Using these assumptions, we can now compute the implied ED acceptance rate. Applying the 1 percent acceptance rate assumption for EA/RD to the 85 percent of the number of applicants (about 37000), the number of accepted EA/RD students is about 370. This leaves 1585 acceptances through ED. The implied ED acceptance rate is 1585/6652, which is about 24 percent.

Clearly, you can make different assumptions about the above parameters. But the point is that it is very, very hard (virtually impossible) to get 40 percent acceptance rate for ED.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what do people think the ed 1 acceptance rate is?

would not be surprised to see it in high 30s or 40s

My money is on 40% or so. So basically the same as Syracuse. So much for snobbery.

And if you were capable of critical thinking, you would know that 40 percent is mathematically impossible, given the overall constraints (in 2024, 1,955 students were accepted out of 43,612 applications)

I'm no mathematician but I'm unclear why it's impossible. We don't know how many applicants applied for ED (or EA that turned into ED2). For all we know, about 4,000 of the applications were ED and they accepted 1500 of them (assuming 75% - 80% of the 1,955 were accepted ED). That leaves 39,000 people sadly vying for 400 seats in RD, presumably having fallen victim to slick marketing or - gasp - being unable to commit without knowing about financial aid.

It's really ridiculous that they don't disclose this.

Let’s simplify the problem. Assume that there are only two paths to being admitted: 1) ED0+ED1+ED2 = ED, with a high and unknown acceptance rate; and 2) EA + RD, with a low acceptance rate of 1 percent.

We also need an assumption about the proportion of ED number of applicants as a proportion of the total. Let’s assume that it is at least as high as in other comparable schools (e.g. Cornell) => 13.5 percent. Since Chicago is known for giving preference to ED, let’s round up that proportion to 15 percent.

Using these assumptions, we can now compute the implied ED acceptance rate. Applying the 1 percent acceptance rate assumption for EA/RD to the 85 percent of the number of applicants (about 37000), the number of accepted EA/RD students is about 370. This leaves 1585 acceptances through ED. The implied ED acceptance rate is 1585/6652, which is about 24 percent.

Clearly, you can make different assumptions about the above parameters. But the point is that it is very, very hard (virtually impossible) to get 40 percent acceptance rate for ED.

Yes, I was setting the denominator lower (4000 vs 6652). I can't imagine 15% of applicants are ED. For example Tulane, also known for filling 75% of the class ED, only 6% of applicants are ED. No way Chicago is doubling that.

[Anonymous]

Agree that not disclosing this info makes it seem like they have something to hide.

Even if the ED acceptance rate is 30%+, it is probably a fairly self-selecting bunch, given the location and reputation (and the application essays, which are no joke).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what do people think the ed 1 acceptance rate is?

would not be surprised to see it in high 30s or 40s

My money is on 40% or so. So basically the same as Syracuse. So much for snobbery.

And if you were capable of critical thinking, you would know that 40 percent is mathematically impossible, given the overall constraints (in 2024, 1,955 students were accepted out of 43,612 applications)

I'm no mathematician but I'm unclear why it's impossible. We don't know how many applicants applied for ED (or EA that turned into ED2). For all we know, about 4,000 of the applications were ED and they accepted 1500 of them (assuming 75% - 80% of the 1,955 were accepted ED). That leaves 39,000 people sadly vying for 400 seats in RD, presumably having fallen victim to slick marketing or - gasp - being unable to commit without knowing about financial aid.

It's really ridiculous that they don't disclose this.

Let’s simplify the problem. Assume that there are only two paths to being admitted: 1) ED0+ED1+ED2 = ED, with a high and unknown acceptance rate; and 2) EA + RD, with a low acceptance rate of 1 percent.

We also need an assumption about the proportion of ED number of applicants as a proportion of the total. Let’s assume that it is at least as high as in other comparable schools (e.g. Cornell) => 13.5 percent. Since Chicago is known for giving preference to ED, let’s round up that proportion to 15 percent.

Using these assumptions, we can now compute the implied ED acceptance rate. Applying the 1 percent acceptance rate assumption for EA/RD to the 85 percent of the number of applicants (about 37000), the number of accepted EA/RD students is about 370. This leaves 1585 acceptances through ED. The implied ED acceptance rate is 1585/6652, which is about 24 percent.

Clearly, you can make different assumptions about the above parameters. But the point is that it is very, very hard (virtually impossible) to get 40 percent acceptance rate for ED.

Yes, I was setting the denominator lower (4000 vs 6652). I can't imagine 15% of applicants are ED. For example Tulane, also known for filling 75% of the class ED, only 6% of applicants are ED. No way Chicago is doubling that.

Tulane and Chicago are hardly comparable.

Duke has ED proportion of about 12 percent, Cornell is at 13.5 percent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what do people think the ed 1 acceptance rate is?

would not be surprised to see it in high 30s or 40s

My money is on 40% or so. So basically the same as Syracuse. So much for snobbery.

And if you were capable of critical thinking, you would know that 40 percent is mathematically impossible, given the overall constraints (in 2024, 1,955 students were accepted out of 43,612 applications)

I'm no mathematician but I'm unclear why it's impossible. We don't know how many applicants applied for ED (or EA that turned into ED2). For all we know, about 4,000 of the applications were ED and they accepted 1500 of them (assuming 75% - 80% of the 1,955 were accepted ED). That leaves 39,000 people sadly vying for 400 seats in RD, presumably having fallen victim to slick marketing or - gasp - being unable to commit without knowing about financial aid.

It's really ridiculous that they don't disclose this.

Let’s simplify the problem. Assume that there are only two paths to being admitted: 1) ED0+ED1+ED2 = ED, with a high and unknown acceptance rate; and 2) EA + RD, with a low acceptance rate of 1 percent.

We also need an assumption about the proportion of ED number of applicants as a proportion of the total. Let’s assume that it is at least as high as in other comparable schools (e.g. Cornell) => 13.5 percent. Since Chicago is known for giving preference to ED, let’s round up that proportion to 15 percent.

Using these assumptions, we can now compute the implied ED acceptance rate. Applying the 1 percent acceptance rate assumption for EA/RD to the 85 percent of the number of applicants (about 37000), the number of accepted EA/RD students is about 370. This leaves 1585 acceptances through ED. The implied ED acceptance rate is 1585/6652, which is about 24 percent.

Clearly, you can make different assumptions about the above parameters. But the point is that it is very, very hard (virtually impossible) to get 40 percent acceptance rate for ED.

Yes, I was setting the denominator lower (4000 vs 6652). I can't imagine 15% of applicants are ED. For example Tulane, also known for filling 75% of the class ED, only 6% of applicants are ED. No way Chicago is doubling that.

Tulane and Chicago are hardly comparable.

Duke has ED proportion of about 12 percent, Cornell is at 13.5 percent.

PP again. Just to add that based on DC’s school Scoir, 40 percent of the applicants during 2020-24 had applied ED1/2.