is a 1400 achievable for most kids?

[Anonymous]

My son went from
An 1120 to a 1440. The key was self study. We wasted $ and time on a two month, once a week class that did nothing. Switched to diligent nightly self study for two months and score jumped.

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Maybe if your kids have to study every night for months and/or take special classes and/or have private tutors, they’re not meant to go to schools with a 1400 cutoff? Just a thought.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe if your kids have to study every night for months and/or take special classes and/or have private tutors, they’re not meant to go to schools with a 1400 cutoff? Just a thought.

Lol, maybe anyone who figures out how to hack the SATs can figure out how to hack college?

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Anonymous wrote:so my kid is a junior athlete - ivy aspirations for 4 schools (Duke, Cornell, Brown, Penn), and has been told they have the talent - it’s a sport with measurable times, sooo, it’s legit. Good grades T10% - and has been told a 1400 score is needed. Kid hit 1180 with some prep in September.

Appreciate all on this site, but would really appreciate answers staying on topic and just commenting on the following question - with unlimited view on prep, can just about any kid get up to a 1400? don’t want views on feasibility of interest or handicapping kids odds on getting in, or asking about/commenting on the sport, kids focus on just these schools, blah blah - pls pls just answer the question if you choose to reply

Yes - get the Erica Meltzer books, 1600.io orange book, sat prep black book 3rd edition, and after finishing them start using the official SAT question bank

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Anonymous wrote:Sure it’s possible. It also sounds like the “he’s been told he’s ivy level” is very far from someone actually doing a pre read and then making an actual offer. Good luck. Ivy sounds ambitious with this grade and score profile

yep, thank god he’s an athlete - and only needs a 1400 - cause the coach wants him fella

A college coach?
Which college?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son went from
An 1120 to a 1440. The key was self study. We wasted $ and time on a two month, once a week class that did nothing. Switched to diligent nightly self study for two months and score jumped.

This. My ds did self study and jumped 200 points on second try. Khan academy.

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Anonymous wrote:so my kid is a junior athlete - ivy aspirations for 4 schools (Duke, Cornell, Brown, Penn), and has been told they have the talent - it’s a sport with measurable times, sooo, it’s legit. Good grades T10% - and has been told a 1400 score is needed. Kid hit 1180 with some prep in September.

Appreciate all on this site, but would really appreciate answers staying on topic and just commenting on the following question - with unlimited view on prep, can just about any kid get up to a 1400? don’t want views on feasibility of interest or handicapping kids odds on getting in, or asking about/commenting on the sport, kids focus on just these schools, blah blah - pls pls just answer the question if you choose to reply

I taught at Kaplan for years and 1400 is not achievable for most kids. However if your kid is at 1180, I would say there's a reasonable chance you can get to 1400 with a good dedicated tutor that focuses on getting your kid into the heads of the test writers. As they say, think like the test writer

I love the way everyone is saying "your kid can do this" with little or no knowledge of the kid.

The fact is that most kids cannot and do not get 1400 no matter how hard they try.

PP. A lot of the parents and kids here fall into the demographics that respond well to prepping. That means - had good schooling so math and grammar prep reactivate existing knowledge instead of teaching it for the first time, has a powerful financial or status-based reason to succeed, no expense spared on excellent diagnostics and tutoring.

I was unable to move my SAT math score through self-study as a high schooler. With ETS official materials, an adult perspective, and a more mature brain, I was able to remedy my math deficits myself and score much higher on the GMAT as a 27 year old than I did on the GMAT at the end of college (in SAT terms it would be like going from 1370 to 1570). I also sent my high school kid to 3 school years of remedial franchise math tutoring 8x/mo because his school district was sloppy with prealgebra and algebra 1. He became a National Merit Commended Student which is normal/baseline for our family. Without the tutoring, I'm sure he wouldn't have done as well. Because the foundation just wasn't there. We only have 5 or so kids taking Calc BC this year out of 350-ish.

The kid needs to care and it might take more time than is available. That's reality. Also, as in my example, there are ineffective study materials and techniques. That's where money helps a lot.

This is a prime example of unearned Asian-privilege.

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Anonymous wrote:A student who has to work that hard to get a 1400 will really struggle at an Ivy or Duke. Between the rigorous academics and athletic commitments, he will be miserable. Look elsewhere.

This is simply not true. For most of these colleges, the hardest part is getting in

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Anonymous wrote:so my kid is a junior athlete - ivy aspirations for 4 schools (Duke, Cornell, Brown, Penn), and has been told they have the talent - it’s a sport with measurable times, sooo, it’s legit. Good grades T10% - and has been told a 1400 score is needed. Kid hit 1180 with some prep in September.

Appreciate all on this site, but would really appreciate answers staying on topic and just commenting on the following question - with unlimited view on prep, can just about any kid get up to a 1400? don’t want views on feasibility of interest or handicapping kids odds on getting in, or asking about/commenting on the sport, kids focus on just these schools, blah blah - pls pls just answer the question if you choose to reply

I taught at Kaplan for years and 1400 is not achievable for most kids. However if your kid is at 1180, I would say there's a reasonable chance you can get to 1400 with a good dedicated tutor that focuses on getting your kid into the heads of the test writers. As they say, think like the test writer

I love the way everyone is saying "your kid can do this" with little or no knowledge of the kid.

The fact is that most kids cannot and do not get 1400 no matter how hard they try.

PP. A lot of the parents and kids here fall into the demographics that respond well to prepping. That means - had good schooling so math and grammar prep reactivate existing knowledge instead of teaching it for the first time, has a powerful financial or status-based reason to succeed, no expense spared on excellent diagnostics and tutoring.

I was unable to move my SAT math score through self-study as a high schooler. With ETS official materials, an adult perspective, and a more mature brain, I was able to remedy my math deficits myself and score much higher on the GMAT as a 27 year old than I did on the GMAT at the end of college (in SAT terms it would be like going from 1370 to 1570). I also sent my high school kid to 3 school years of remedial franchise math tutoring 8x/mo because his school district was sloppy with prealgebra and algebra 1. He became a National Merit Commended Student which is normal/baseline for our family. Without the tutoring, I'm sure he wouldn't have done as well. Because the foundation just wasn't there. We only have 5 or so kids taking Calc BC this year out of 350-ish.

The kid needs to care and it might take more time than is available. That's reality. Also, as in my example, there are ineffective study materials and techniques. That's where money helps a lot.

This is a prime example of unearned Asian-privilege.

PP. I hope you're being sarcastic because I'm white. No need to bring race into it. What a lot of people wouldn't do is spend hundreds of $ a month on math remediation. However, we saved money on our house from not buying in a "better" school district. Heck, I saved by not even living in DMV. So it was my choice to spend a good chunk of my salary on math fundamentals.

A pattern among the most successful kids at SATs in my district is having moms who are K-12 teachers. Paid SAT prep is rare here. One kid went to the same math remediation franchise as my kid did but for less time.

One of the reasons I didn't buy in a better district was the 1.5 years I spent in an MCPS middle school. Also why I left DMV to raise kids. I like the more intellectual culture but overall the constant grinding and high cost of a desirable lifestyle seemed too exhausting. I was a lowly fed when I lived there. But I wanted my kid to be able to apply to national schools for college and to be prepared for calculus.

It worked out. I also believe a more diligent child and/or a parent who is more involved can make more progress for free than in past decades. IXL.com is less than $200 per year and can be used by parents to assess math learning and assign problem sets to fill gaps for K-12. It has an edge over free Khan Academy because of the parent interface but many kids do well with Khan.

Also the best way to train for the verbal SAT is years of reading. Also very low cost if you have free public libraries or school libraries but becoming rarer.

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Anonymous wrote:so my kid is a junior athlete - ivy aspirations for 4 schools (Duke, Cornell, Brown, Penn), and has been told they have the talent - it’s a sport with measurable times, sooo, it’s legit. Good grades T10% - and has been told a 1400 score is needed. Kid hit 1180 with some prep in September.

Appreciate all on this site, but would really appreciate answers staying on topic and just commenting on the following question - with unlimited view on prep, can just about any kid get up to a 1400? don’t want views on feasibility of interest or handicapping kids odds on getting in, or asking about/commenting on the sport, kids focus on just these schools, blah blah - pls pls just answer the question if you choose to reply

I taught at Kaplan for years and 1400 is not achievable for most kids. However if your kid is at 1180, I would say there's a reasonable chance you can get to 1400 with a good dedicated tutor that focuses on getting your kid into the heads of the test writers. As they say, think like the test writer

I love the way everyone is saying "your kid can do this" with little or no knowledge of the kid.

The fact is that most kids cannot and do not get 1400 no matter how hard they try.

PP. A lot of the parents and kids here fall into the demographics that respond well to prepping. That means - had good schooling so math and grammar prep reactivate existing knowledge instead of teaching it for the first time, has a powerful financial or status-based reason to succeed, no expense spared on excellent diagnostics and tutoring.

I was unable to move my SAT math score through self-study as a high schooler. With ETS official materials, an adult perspective, and a more mature brain, I was able to remedy my math deficits myself and score much higher on the GMAT as a 27 year old than I did on the GMAT at the end of college (in SAT terms it would be like going from 1370 to 1570). I also sent my high school kid to 3 school years of remedial franchise math tutoring 8x/mo because his school district was sloppy with prealgebra and algebra 1. He became a National Merit Commended Student which is normal/baseline for our family. Without the tutoring, I'm sure he wouldn't have done as well. Because the foundation just wasn't there. We only have 5 or so kids taking Calc BC this year out of 350-ish.

The kid needs to care and it might take more time than is available. That's reality. Also, as in my example, there are ineffective study materials and techniques. That's where money helps a lot.

This is a prime example of unearned Asian-privilege.

PP. I hope you're being sarcastic because I'm white. No need to bring race into it. What a lot of people wouldn't do is spend hundreds of $ a month on math remediation. However, we saved money on our house from not buying in a "better" school district. Heck, I saved by not even living in DMV. So it was my choice to spend a good chunk of my salary on math fundamentals.

A pattern among the most successful kids at SATs in my district is having moms who are K-12 teachers. Paid SAT prep is rare here. One kid went to the same math remediation franchise as my kid did but for less time.

One of the reasons I didn't buy in a better district was the 1.5 years I spent in an MCPS middle school. Also why I left DMV to raise kids. I like the more intellectual culture but overall the constant grinding and high cost of a desirable lifestyle seemed too exhausting. I was a lowly fed when I lived there. But I wanted my kid to be able to apply to national schools for college and to be prepared for calculus.

It worked out. I also believe a more diligent child and/or a parent who is more involved can make more progress for free than in past decades. IXL.com is less than $200 per year and can be used by parents to assess math learning and assign problem sets to fill gaps for K-12. It has an edge over free Khan Academy because of the parent interface but many kids do well with Khan.

Also the best way to train for the verbal SAT is years of reading. Also very low cost if you have free public libraries or school libraries but becoming rarer.

Maybe but my ds has not read a book on his own in years and got a 760 from prepping. Surprised the heck out of me. Math was another story.

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OP, my kid was also in a timed sport, and was D1.
Senior now at an ivy.
So, wrt scores, DC's first SAT was about 1290. Second was about 1350. Third was 1400. Also regrettably, DC was most prepped right as the tests were cancelled d/t COVID 19.
Anyway, agree w/ previous posters. Its's in the math. PREP PREP PREP MATH MATH MATH.
WRT verbal, reading 30 minutes extra straight each day helps with the stamina to get through the exam. There is some benefit to some prep in the verbal section though, so don't ignore that.

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Anonymous wrote:A student who has to work that hard to get a 1400 will really struggle at an Ivy or Duke. Between the rigorous academics and athletic commitments, he will be miserable. Look elsewhere.

SOOOO wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:so my kid is a junior athlete - ivy aspirations for 4 schools (Duke, Cornell, Brown, Penn), and has been told they have the talent - it’s a sport with measurable times, sooo, it’s legit. Good grades T10% - and has been told a 1400 score is needed. Kid hit 1180 with some prep in September.

Appreciate all on this site, but would really appreciate answers staying on topic and just commenting on the following question - with unlimited view on prep, can just about any kid get up to a 1400? don’t want views on feasibility of interest or handicapping kids odds on getting in, or asking about/commenting on the sport, kids focus on just these schools, blah blah - pls pls just answer the question if you choose to reply

I taught at Kaplan for years and 1400 is not achievable for most kids. However if your kid is at 1180, I would say there's a reasonable chance you can get to 1400 with a good dedicated tutor that focuses on getting your kid into the heads of the test writers. As they say, think like the test writer

I love the way everyone is saying "your kid can do this" with little or no knowledge of the kid.

The fact is that most kids cannot and do not get 1400 no matter how hard they try.

PP. A lot of the parents and kids here fall into the demographics that respond well to prepping. That means - had good schooling so math and grammar prep reactivate existing knowledge instead of teaching it for the first time, has a powerful financial or status-based reason to succeed, no expense spared on excellent diagnostics and tutoring.

I was unable to move my SAT math score through self-study as a high schooler. With ETS official materials, an adult perspective, and a more mature brain, I was able to remedy my math deficits myself and score much higher on the GMAT as a 27 year old than I did on the GMAT at the end of college (in SAT terms it would be like going from 1370 to 1570). I also sent my high school kid to 3 school years of remedial franchise math tutoring 8x/mo because his school district was sloppy with prealgebra and algebra 1. He became a National Merit Commended Student which is normal/baseline for our family. Without the tutoring, I'm sure he wouldn't have done as well. Because the foundation just wasn't there. We only have 5 or so kids taking Calc BC this year out of 350-ish.

The kid needs to care and it might take more time than is available. That's reality. Also, as in my example, there are ineffective study materials and techniques. That's where money helps a lot.

This is a prime example of unearned Asian-privilege.

PP. I hope you're being sarcastic because I'm white. No need to bring race into it. What a lot of people wouldn't do is spend hundreds of $ a month on math remediation. However, we saved money on our house from not buying in a "better" school district. Heck, I saved by not even living in DMV. So it was my choice to spend a good chunk of my salary on math fundamentals.

A pattern among the most successful kids at SATs in my district is having moms who are K-12 teachers. Paid SAT prep is rare here. One kid went to the same math remediation franchise as my kid did but for less time.

One of the reasons I didn't buy in a better district was the 1.5 years I spent in an MCPS middle school. Also why I left DMV to raise kids. I like the more intellectual culture but overall the constant grinding and high cost of a desirable lifestyle seemed too exhausting. I was a lowly fed when I lived there. But I wanted my kid to be able to apply to national schools for college and to be prepared for calculus.

It worked out. I also believe a more diligent child and/or a parent who is more involved can make more progress for free than in past decades. IXL.com is less than $200 per year and can be used by parents to assess math learning and assign problem sets to fill gaps for K-12. It has an edge over free Khan Academy because of the parent interface but many kids do well with Khan.

Also the best way to train for the verbal SAT is years of reading. Also very low cost if you have free public libraries or school libraries but becoming rarer.

Their Chief Strategy officer was the guy spearheading the move to make the NYC specialized high school admissions lottery based.
I have to question their commitment to students at the upper end of the curve

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Anonymous wrote:so my kid is a junior athlete - ivy aspirations for 4 schools (Duke, Cornell, Brown, Penn), and has been told they have the talent - it’s a sport with measurable times, sooo, it’s legit. Good grades T10% - and has been told a 1400 score is needed. Kid hit 1180 with some prep in September.

Appreciate all on this site, but would really appreciate answers staying on topic and just commenting on the following question - with unlimited view on prep, can just about any kid get up to a 1400? don’t want views on feasibility of interest or handicapping kids odds on getting in, or asking about/commenting on the sport, kids focus on just these schools, blah blah - pls pls just answer the question if you choose to reply

I taught at Kaplan for years and 1400 is not achievable for most kids. However if your kid is at 1180, I would say there's a reasonable chance you can get to 1400 with a good dedicated tutor that focuses on getting your kid into the heads of the test writers. As they say, think like the test writer

I love the way everyone is saying "your kid can do this" with little or no knowledge of the kid.

The fact is that most kids cannot and do not get 1400 no matter how hard they try.

PP. A lot of the parents and kids here fall into the demographics that respond well to prepping. That means - had good schooling so math and grammar prep reactivate existing knowledge instead of teaching it for the first time, has a powerful financial or status-based reason to succeed, no expense spared on excellent diagnostics and tutoring.

I was unable to move my SAT math score through self-study as a high schooler. With ETS official materials, an adult perspective, and a more mature brain, I was able to remedy my math deficits myself and score much higher on the GMAT as a 27 year old than I did on the GMAT at the end of college (in SAT terms it would be like going from 1370 to 1570). I also sent my high school kid to 3 school years of remedial franchise math tutoring 8x/mo because his school district was sloppy with prealgebra and algebra 1. He became a National Merit Commended Student which is normal/baseline for our family. Without the tutoring, I'm sure he wouldn't have done as well. Because the foundation just wasn't there. We only have 5 or so kids taking Calc BC this year out of 350-ish.

The kid needs to care and it might take more time than is available. That's reality. Also, as in my example, there are ineffective study materials and techniques. That's where money helps a lot.

This is a prime example of unearned Asian-privilege.

PP. I hope you're being sarcastic because I'm white. No need to bring race into it. What a lot of people wouldn't do is spend hundreds of $ a month on math remediation. However, we saved money on our house from not buying in a "better" school district. Heck, I saved by not even living in DMV. So it was my choice to spend a good chunk of my salary on math fundamentals.

A pattern among the most successful kids at SATs in my district is having moms who are K-12 teachers. Paid SAT prep is rare here. One kid went to the same math remediation franchise as my kid did but for less time.

One of the reasons I didn't buy in a better district was the 1.5 years I spent in an MCPS middle school. Also why I left DMV to raise kids. I like the more intellectual culture but overall the constant grinding and high cost of a desirable lifestyle seemed too exhausting. I was a lowly fed when I lived there. But I wanted my kid to be able to apply to national schools for college and to be prepared for calculus.

It worked out. I also believe a more diligent child and/or a parent who is more involved can make more progress for free than in past decades. IXL.com is less than $200 per year and can be used by parents to assess math learning and assign problem sets to fill gaps for K-12. It has an edge over free Khan Academy because of the parent interface but many kids do well with Khan.

Also the best way to train for the verbal SAT is years of reading. Also very low cost if you have free public libraries or school libraries but becoming rarer.

Maybe but my ds has not read a book on his own in years and got a 760 from prepping. Surprised the heck out of me. Math was another story.

Just FYI, math is easier to improve with practice than verbal.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure it’s possible. It also sounds like the “he’s been told he’s ivy level” is very far from someone actually doing a pre read and then making an actual offer. Good luck. Ivy sounds ambitious with this grade and score profile

yep, thank god he’s an athlete - and only needs a 1400 - cause the coach wants him fella

A college coach?
Which college?

a good one - do you want the coach’s name and email address? DCUM always demands details! that’s the only way to attack and undermine!