Is the future of higher ed in the South?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, the South is the future of higher education in the US. Lot of great schools, that offer a better value for the education dollar.

I think it's bananas to send your kids to an out of state public university (and pay OOS tuition) to a school that is just ok. The honest answer here is to send your kids to an in-state public school in your jurisdiction. THAT is the future of higher ed....if we're smart.

Those schools are cheaper now and in a few years will be considered TOP.

Which schools do you think will be considered "TOP"?

We have a thread for this: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1200283.page

Yes, but I can't think of one "cheaper" SEC school that will be considered TOP in a few years. Not one. I don't think Georgia or Florida will ever be at the level of UNC or UVA, much less at the level of Ivies and the like.

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Anonymous wrote:Nah, not while those states continue to rank near the bottom of K-12 education. Most of the SEC schools saw significant increases in apps, but most of the kids we know headed south (besides UGA or FL which were 1st choice for a few friends) didn't get into T30 schools or W&M, VT, UVA or MD, and didn't want JMU, VCU or Mason. Our neighbor's DD graduated from Ole Miss and my DD teacher's son graduated from AL. Both want to return to the DMV, but are having trouble finding jobs. The AL kid is now looking for jobs in Atlanta & Charlotte while Ole Miss girl is still hoping to find something in this area.

Ding ding ding! That is exactly the predominant reasoning. Barring some rare huge merit scholarships, almost no private or public magnet kid in the last few yrs who got in to W&M or UVA or higher is picking out of state over those. SMU, Sewanee and the big southern publics are popular in Virginia because the most academic two(WM, UVA) are too hard to get admitted. CNU VCU JMU GM are not considered desirable. Clemson, UGA, UF , SMU et al are safety schools for the top 1/3 of students at the top public and private high schools, but UVA and WM are matches for all but the kids at the very top, who are gunning for T10/ivy.

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Anonymous wrote:The article is of course a decent amount of clickbait. The actual stats they quote don’t show any kind of massive shift…it’s honestly fairly lite on stats in general.

Post your specific stats.

Well, it says applications to certain private universities in the south increased by 42% vs about 28% in the North. Great, but Tulane with 34,000 applications for 1800 slots is still well below say Yale with 55,000 applications for 1350 slots or any number of northern private schools.

They say public schools had a 62% increase, yet again, no mention of the base from which they are growing. So University of Alabama had 55,000 applications this past year for 8,000 slots (BTW, they need to accept
Close to 40,000 to yield 8,000) but that’s almost 50% less than Penn State at 106,000 applications…and the same as Yale which is 1/8 the size.

Also, neither Yale or Penn State saw a decline in applications…but it’s hard to achieve high growth rates from very high starting points.

Penn State posts stats for their entire system, Alabama does not. Try again.

Ok…how about 150,000 applications for UCLA…or 56,000 to UMD college park for 4500 slots.

If Alabama is such a hot school…shouldn’t it have more applications than UMD or Yale?

Look at Tennessee’s applications this year and compare to five years ago. Try to find a northern public that statically increased more.

So they are up to 57,000 applicants which was 15% growth over last year amd down from 40% growth the previous year. That is for 7,000 slots.

More accurately, UT Knoxville is now finally as popular as UMD college Park (and again…barely ahead of Yale which also had a 10% increase in applications).

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, the South is the future of higher education in the US. Lot of great schools, that offer a better value for the education dollar.

I think it's bananas to send your kids to an out of state public university (and pay OOS tuition) to a school that is just ok. The honest answer here is to send your kids to an in-state public school in your jurisdiction. THAT is the future of higher ed....if we're smart.

Those schools are cheaper now and in a few years will be considered TOP.

Which schools do you think will be considered "TOP"?

We have a thread for this: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1200283.page

Yes, but I can't think of one "cheaper" SEC school that will be considered TOP in a few years. Not one. I don't think Georgia or Florida will ever be at the level of UNC or UVA, much less at the level of Ivies and the like.

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Anonymous wrote:The article is of course a decent amount of clickbait. The actual stats they quote don’t show any kind of massive shift…it’s honestly fairly lite on stats in general.

Post your specific stats.

Well, it says applications to certain private universities in the south increased by 42% vs about 28% in the North. Great, but Tulane with 34,000 applications for 1800 slots is still well below say Yale with 55,000 applications for 1350 slots or any number of northern private schools.

They say public schools had a 62% increase, yet again, no mention of the base from which they are growing. So University of Alabama had 55,000 applications this past year for 8,000 slots (BTW, they need to accept
Close to 40,000 to yield 8,000) but that’s almost 50% less than Penn State at 106,000 applications…and the same as Yale which is 1/8 the size.

Also, neither Yale or Penn State saw a decline in applications…but it’s hard to achieve high growth rates from very high starting points.

Penn State posts stats for their entire system, Alabama does not. Try again.

Ok…how about 150,000 applications for UCLA…or 56,000 to UMD college park for 4500 slots.

If Alabama is such a hot school…shouldn’t it have more applications than UMD or Yale?

Look at Tennessee’s applications this year and compare to five years ago. Try to find a northern public that statically increased more.

So they are up to 57,000 applicants which was 15% growth over last year amd down from 40% growth the previous year. That is for 7,000 slots.

More accurately, UT Knoxville is now finally as popular as UMD college Park (and again…barely ahead of Yale which also had a 10% increase in applications).

Had UMd grown or declined?

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Anonymous wrote:The article is of course a decent amount of clickbait. The actual stats they quote don’t show any kind of massive shift…it’s honestly fairly lite on stats in general.

Post your specific stats.

Well, it says applications to certain private universities in the south increased by 42% vs about 28% in the North. Great, but Tulane with 34,000 applications for 1800 slots is still well below say Yale with 55,000 applications for 1350 slots or any number of northern private schools.

They say public schools had a 62% increase, yet again, no mention of the base from which they are growing. So University of Alabama had 55,000 applications this past year for 8,000 slots (BTW, they need to accept
Close to 40,000 to yield 8,000) but that’s almost 50% less than Penn State at 106,000 applications…and the same as Yale which is 1/8 the size.

Also, neither Yale or Penn State saw a decline in applications…but it’s hard to achieve high growth rates from very high starting points.

Penn State posts stats for their entire system, Alabama does not. Try again.

Ok…how about 150,000 applications for UCLA…or 56,000 to UMD college park for 4500 slots.

If Alabama is such a hot school…shouldn’t it have more applications than UMD or Yale?

Look at Tennessee’s applications this year and compare to five years ago. Try to find a northern public that statically increased more.

So they are up to 57,000 applicants which was 15% growth over last year amd down from 40% growth the previous year. That is for 7,000 slots.

More accurately, UT Knoxville is now finally as popular as UMD college Park (and again…barely ahead of Yale which also had a 10% increase in applications).

Had UMd grown or declined?

Grown. From 32,000 in 2019 to 56,000.

Fairly similar to UT though not quite (29,000 to 57,000), but a much smaller school 18,000 vs 28,000 undergrads.

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Anonymous wrote:The South is now the destination of choice for many college bound kids. Will this trend continue?

https://www.thefp.com/p/kids-skip-ivy-league-for-southern-schools

No one admitted to the ivy league is "skipping" it to go south, unless it is to go to Duke instead, or a full ride at Vanderbilt or Emory.
The article does not have any data indicating ivy admits choose big southern publics at a new and increased rate.
Other than Harvard and maybe Columbia, Ivies had another significant increase in applications compared to last year. They are not getting less popular, nor are other elite schools. They are just hard to gain acceptance.

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Anonymous wrote:The South is now the destination of choice for many college bound kids. Will this trend continue?

https://www.thefp.com/p/kids-skip-ivy-league-for-southern-schools

This trend shall continue as jobs, economy and housing dictates these trends and south, specially Texas is outperforming everybody. Another advantage is internet, which shook up monopoly of popular North East and Californian colleges.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The South is now the destination of choice for many college bound kids. Will this trend continue?

https://www.thefp.com/p/kids-skip-ivy-league-for-southern-schools

No one admitted to the ivy league is "skipping" it to go south, unless it is to go to Duke instead, or a full ride at Vanderbilt or Emory.
The article does not have any data indicating ivy admits choose big southern publics at a new and increased rate.
Other than Harvard and maybe Columbia, Ivies had another significant increase in applications compared to last year. They are not getting less popular, nor are other elite schools. They are just hard to gain acceptance.

They are if they get better aid or merit at Vanderbilt or Rice. Lower cost of living and better job opportunities make it even more attractive.

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SMU, Rice, Baylor, TCU, Tulane, all doing really well.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The article is of course a decent amount of clickbait. The actual stats they quote don’t show any kind of massive shift…it’s honestly fairly lite on stats in general.

Post your specific stats.

Well, it says applications to certain private universities in the south increased by 42% vs about 28% in the North. Great, but Tulane with 34,000 applications for 1800 slots is still well below say Yale with 55,000 applications for 1350 slots or any number of northern private schools.

They say public schools had a 62% increase, yet again, no mention of the base from which they are growing. So University of Alabama had 55,000 applications this past year for 8,000 slots (BTW, they need to accept
Close to 40,000 to yield 8,000) but that’s almost 50% less than Penn State at 106,000 applications…and the same as Yale which is 1/8 the size.

Also, neither Yale or Penn State saw a decline in applications…but it’s hard to achieve high growth rates from very high starting points.

Penn State posts stats for their entire system, Alabama does not. Try again.

Ok…how about 150,000 applications for UCLA…or 56,000 to UMD college park for 4500 slots.

If Alabama is such a hot school…shouldn’t it have more applications than UMD or Yale?

Look at Tennessee’s applications this year and compare to five years ago. Try to find a northern public that statically increased more.

University of Pittsburgh went from 31,000 to 59,000…which is pretty similar to 29,000 to 57,000 for Tennessee. The more you look, the more you find Tenn isn’t that special.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The article is of course a decent amount of clickbait. The actual stats they quote don’t show any kind of massive shift…it’s honestly fairly lite on stats in general.

Post your specific stats.

Well, it says applications to certain private universities in the south increased by 42% vs about 28% in the North. Great, but Tulane with 34,000 applications for 1800 slots is still well below say Yale with 55,000 applications for 1350 slots or any number of northern private schools.

They say public schools had a 62% increase, yet again, no mention of the base from which they are growing. So University of Alabama had 55,000 applications this past year for 8,000 slots (BTW, they need to accept
Close to 40,000 to yield 8,000) but that’s almost 50% less than Penn State at 106,000 applications…and the same as Yale which is 1/8 the size.

Also, neither Yale or Penn State saw a decline in applications…but it’s hard to achieve high growth rates from very high starting points.

Penn State posts stats for their entire system, Alabama does not. Try again.

Ok…how about 150,000 applications for UCLA…or 56,000 to UMD college park for 4500 slots.

If Alabama is such a hot school…shouldn’t it have more applications than UMD or Yale?

Look at Tennessee’s applications this year and compare to five years ago. Try to find a northern public that statically increased more.

That's just because it was lower numbers to begin with. Basic math. People are applying to more schools and Tennessee has more room to grow.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nah, not while those states continue to rank near the bottom of K-12 education. Most of the SEC schools saw significant increases in apps, but most of the kids we know headed south (besides UGA or FL which were 1st choice for a few friends) didn't get into T30 schools or W&M, VT, UVA or MD, and didn't want JMU, VCU or Mason. Our neighbor's DD graduated from Ole Miss and my DD teacher's son graduated from AL. Both want to return to the DMV, but are having trouble finding jobs. The AL kid is now looking for jobs in Atlanta & Charlotte while Ole Miss girl is still hoping to find something in this area.

Ding ding ding! That is exactly the predominant reasoning. Barring some rare huge merit scholarships, almost no private or public magnet kid in the last few yrs who got in to W&M or UVA or higher is picking out of state over those. SMU, Sewanee and the big southern publics are popular in Virginia because the most academic two(WM, UVA) are too hard to get admitted. CNU VCU JMU GM are not considered desirable. Clemson, UGA, UF , SMU et al are safety schools for the top 1/3 of students at the top public and private high schools, but UVA and WM are matches for all but the kids at the very top, who are gunning for T10/ivy.

Such a bizarre post.
NP

[Anonymous]

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Normal kids aren’t looking for violence on their college campuses. Plain and simple.

Trust me—-it’s coming for them too.
Austin has always been “the most liberal” of all the Texas cities, but that was verrrry relative. “Texas liberal” used to be someone who was basically a social libertarian. Mind your business and I’ll mind mine.

But in the last two decades, all the California crazies moved in and brought their left coast politics with them. UT is unrecognizable to me today.

[Anonymous]

For North east applicants odds of making into Vandy, Rice and Duke are better due to geographical diversity.