Is the future of higher ed in the South?

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Anonymous wrote:The article is of course a decent amount of clickbait. The actual stats they quote don’t show any kind of massive shift…it’s honestly fairly lite on stats in general.

Post your specific stats.

Well, it says applications to certain private universities in the south increased by 42% vs about 28% in the North. Great, but Tulane with 34,000 applications for 1800 slots is still well below say Yale with 55,000 applications for 1350 slots or any number of northern private schools.

They say public schools had a 62% increase, yet again, no mention of the base from which they are growing. So University of Alabama had 55,000 applications this past year for 8,000 slots (BTW, they need to accept
Close to 40,000 to yield 8,000) but that’s almost 50% less than Penn State at 106,000 applications…and the same as Yale which is 1/8 the size.

Also, neither Yale or Penn State saw a decline in applications…but it’s hard to achieve high growth rates from very high starting points.

Penn State posts stats for their entire system, Alabama does not. Try again.

Ok…how about 150,000 applications for UCLA…or 56,000 to UMD college park for 4500 slots.

If Alabama is such a hot school…shouldn’t it have more applications than UMD or Yale?

Look at Tennessee’s applications this year and compare to five years ago. Try to find a northern public that statically increased more.

University of Pittsburgh went from 31,000 to 59,000…which is pretty similar to 29,000 to 57,000 for Tennessee. The more you look, the more you find Tenn isn’t that special.

Tennessee is very special.

My daughter almost gave up a top 5 school for Tennessee after admitted students day.

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Anonymous wrote:The article is of course a decent amount of clickbait. The actual stats they quote don’t show any kind of massive shift…it’s honestly fairly lite on stats in general.

Post your specific stats.

Well, it says applications to certain private universities in the south increased by 42% vs about 28% in the North. Great, but Tulane with 34,000 applications for 1800 slots is still well below say Yale with 55,000 applications for 1350 slots or any number of northern private schools.

They say public schools had a 62% increase, yet again, no mention of the base from which they are growing. So University of Alabama had 55,000 applications this past year for 8,000 slots (BTW, they need to accept
Close to 40,000 to yield 8,000) but that’s almost 50% less than Penn State at 106,000 applications…and the same as Yale which is 1/8 the size.

Also, neither Yale or Penn State saw a decline in applications…but it’s hard to achieve high growth rates from very high starting points.

Penn State posts stats for their entire system, Alabama does not. Try again.

Ok…how about 150,000 applications for UCLA…or 56,000 to UMD college park for 4500 slots.

If Alabama is such a hot school…shouldn’t it have more applications than UMD or Yale?

Look at Tennessee’s applications this year and compare to five years ago. Try to find a northern public that statically increased more.

University of Pittsburgh went from 31,000 to 59,000…which is pretty similar to 29,000 to 57,000 for Tennessee. The more you look, the more you find Tenn isn’t that special.

Tennessee is very special.

My daughter almost gave up a top 5 school for Tennessee after admitted students day.

Tennessee you and your child are stupid

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Normal kids aren’t looking for violence on their college campuses. Plain and simple.

Trust me—-it’s coming for them too.
Austin has always been “the most liberal” of all the Texas cities, but that was verrrry relative. “Texas liberal” used to be someone who was basically a social libertarian. Mind your business and I’ll mind mine.

But in the last two decades, all the California crazies moved in and brought their left coast politics with them. UT is unrecognizable to me today.

I agree.

Texas conservatism is the best conservatism.

Unfortunately, California liberals are like locusts. Ruin where you are then fly off and ruin someplace else.

Fortunately, the governor of Texas doesn't mess around.

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UT and Rice are super liberal and located in very liberal cities so don't go there if you can't handle it. However, being in a conservative state, you'll be perfectly fine there. They can accommodate both extremes and neutrals as well.

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Anonymous wrote:The article is of course a decent amount of clickbait. The actual stats they quote don’t show any kind of massive shift…it’s honestly fairly lite on stats in general.

Post your specific stats.

Well, it says applications to certain private universities in the south increased by 42% vs about 28% in the North. Great, but Tulane with 34,000 applications for 1800 slots is still well below say Yale with 55,000 applications for 1350 slots or any number of northern private schools.

They say public schools had a 62% increase, yet again, no mention of the base from which they are growing. So University of Alabama had 55,000 applications this past year for 8,000 slots (BTW, they need to accept
Close to 40,000 to yield 8,000) but that’s almost 50% less than Penn State at 106,000 applications…and the same as Yale which is 1/8 the size.

Also, neither Yale or Penn State saw a decline in applications…but it’s hard to achieve high growth rates from very high starting points.

Penn State posts stats for their entire system, Alabama does not. Try again.

Ok…how about 150,000 applications for UCLA…or 56,000 to UMD college park for 4500 slots.

If Alabama is such a hot school…shouldn’t it have more applications than UMD or Yale?

Look at Tennessee’s applications this year and compare to five years ago. Try to find a northern public that statically increased more.

University of Pittsburgh went from 31,000 to 59,000…which is pretty similar to 29,000 to 57,000 for Tennessee. The more you look, the more you find Tenn isn’t that special.

Tennessee is very special.

My daughter almost gave up a top 5 school for Tennessee after admitted students day.

Emphasis on the almost…which of course means she went to the top 5.

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Anonymous wrote:The South is now the destination of choice for many college bound kids. Will this trend continue?

https://www.thefp.com/p/kids-skip-ivy-league-for-southern-schools

No one admitted to the ivy league is "skipping" it to go south, unless it is to go to Duke instead, or a full ride at Vanderbilt or Emory.
The article does not have any data indicating ivy admits choose big southern publics at a new and increased rate.
Other than Harvard and maybe Columbia, Ivies had another significant increase in applications compared to last year. They are not getting less popular, nor are other elite schools. They are just hard to gain acceptance.

They are if they get better aid or merit at Vanderbilt or Rice. Lower cost of living and better job opportunities make it even more attractive.

...I said unless it is for a full ride at Vandy or Emory...and yes to your point Rice, forgot that one.

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Normal kids aren’t looking for violence on their college campuses. Plain and simple.

Trust me—-it’s coming for them too.
Austin has always been “the most liberal” of all the Texas cities, but that was verrrry relative. “Texas liberal” used to be someone who was basically a social libertarian. Mind your business and I’ll mind mine.

But in the last two decades, all the California crazies moved in and brought their left coast politics with them. UT is unrecognizable to me today.

I agree.

Texas conservatism is the best conservatism.

Unfortunately, California liberals are like locusts. Ruin where you are then fly off and ruin someplace else.

Fortunately, the governor of Texas doesn't mess around.

Well, you are in luck. So many CA moved to Austin, realized Texas sucks and moved back.

SFO and Silicon Valley are once again the epicenter for what is happening in generative AI and everyone is flocking back.

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Anonymous wrote:UT and Rice are super liberal and located in very liberal cities so don't go there if you can't handle it. However, being in a conservative state, you'll be perfectly fine there. They can accommodate both extremes and neutrals as well.

Houston is not a "very liberal city."

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Anonymous wrote:The article is of course a decent amount of clickbait. The actual stats they quote don’t show any kind of massive shift…it’s honestly fairly lite on stats in general.

Post your specific stats.

Well, it says applications to certain private universities in the south increased by 42% vs about 28% in the North. Great, but Tulane with 34,000 applications for 1800 slots is still well below say Yale with 55,000 applications for 1350 slots or any number of northern private schools.

They say public schools had a 62% increase, yet again, no mention of the base from which they are growing. So University of Alabama had 55,000 applications this past year for 8,000 slots (BTW, they need to accept
Close to 40,000 to yield 8,000) but that’s almost 50% less than Penn State at 106,000 applications…and the same as Yale which is 1/8 the size.

Also, neither Yale or Penn State saw a decline in applications…but it’s hard to achieve high growth rates from very high starting points.

Penn State posts stats for their entire system, Alabama does not. Try again.

Ok…how about 150,000 applications for UCLA…or 56,000 to UMD college park for 4500 slots.

If Alabama is such a hot school…shouldn’t it have more applications than UMD or Yale?

Look at Tennessee’s applications this year and compare to five years ago. Try to find a northern public that statically increased more.

University of Pittsburgh went from 31,000 to 59,000…which is pretty similar to 29,000 to 57,000 for Tennessee. The more you look, the more you find Tenn isn’t that special.

Tennessee is very special.

My daughter almost gave up a top 5 school for Tennessee after admitted students day.

Tennessee you and your child are stupid

Clearly you haven't visited UT.

Like several others have said, beautiful weather, beautiful place, full of beautiful, happy people.

The facilities are stunning. They have obviously poured a lot of money into the academics and the campus. They have very generous merit for high stats kids.

Knoxville is a lovely, safe little town.

Her younger sibling applies to schools next year. He is not a top-5 or even top 20 kid. I hope he can get accepted to Tennessee. I would be happy and proud to send him there. The school was pretty impressive.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, the South is known worldwide for its excellent education. The Athens of America.

There are lots of very good schools in the South - Duke, Vanderbilt, Rice, Emory, Georgia Tech, UNC Chapel Hill, UVA, Texas-Austin, Wake Forest, Florida. And while the region might be red, most of the good schools are located in very blue communities. Not everyone that goes to school in the South is there for shallow reasons. Many view the good schools down south as far preferable to the grim, humorless, ideologically-rigid selective schools in New England.

Uh huh.

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Anonymous wrote:The article is of course a decent amount of clickbait. The actual stats they quote don’t show any kind of massive shift…it’s honestly fairly lite on stats in general.

Post your specific stats.

Well, it says applications to certain private universities in the south increased by 42% vs about 28% in the North. Great, but Tulane with 34,000 applications for 1800 slots is still well below say Yale with 55,000 applications for 1350 slots or any number of northern private schools.

They say public schools had a 62% increase, yet again, no mention of the base from which they are growing. So University of Alabama had 55,000 applications this past year for 8,000 slots (BTW, they need to accept
Close to 40,000 to yield 8,000) but that’s almost 50% less than Penn State at 106,000 applications…and the same as Yale which is 1/8 the size.

Also, neither Yale or Penn State saw a decline in applications…but it’s hard to achieve high growth rates from very high starting points.

Penn State posts stats for their entire system, Alabama does not. Try again.

Ok…how about 150,000 applications for UCLA…or 56,000 to UMD college park for 4500 slots.

If Alabama is such a hot school…shouldn’t it have more applications than UMD or Yale?

Look at Tennessee’s applications this year and compare to five years ago. Try to find a northern public that statically increased more.

University of Pittsburgh went from 31,000 to 59,000…which is pretty similar to 29,000 to 57,000 for Tennessee. The more you look, the more you find Tenn isn’t that special.

Tennessee is very special.

My daughter almost gave up a top 5 school for Tennessee after admitted students day.

Tennessee you and your child are stupid

Clearly you haven't visited UT.

Like several others have said, beautiful weather, beautiful place, full of beautiful, happy people.

The facilities are stunning. They have obviously poured a lot of money into the academics and the campus. They have very generous merit for high stats kids.

Knoxville is a lovely, safe little town.

Her younger sibling applies to schools next year. He is not a top-5 or even top 20 kid. I hope he can get accepted to Tennessee. I would be happy and proud to send him there. The school was pretty impressive.

The weather is maybe a 2 degree difference than DC. If it is cold and dreary in DC in the winter, it is cold and dreary in Knoxville.

I guess this is just a backhand compliment to DC weather.

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Anonymous wrote:The article is of course a decent amount of clickbait. The actual stats they quote don’t show any kind of massive shift…it’s honestly fairly lite on stats in general.

Post your specific stats.

Well, it says applications to certain private universities in the south increased by 42% vs about 28% in the North. Great, but Tulane with 34,000 applications for 1800 slots is still well below say Yale with 55,000 applications for 1350 slots or any number of northern private schools.

They say public schools had a 62% increase, yet again, no mention of the base from which they are growing. So University of Alabama had 55,000 applications this past year for 8,000 slots (BTW, they need to accept
Close to 40,000 to yield 8,000) but that’s almost 50% less than Penn State at 106,000 applications…and the same as Yale which is 1/8 the size.

Also, neither Yale or Penn State saw a decline in applications…but it’s hard to achieve high growth rates from very high starting points.

Penn State posts stats for their entire system, Alabama does not. Try again.

Ok…how about 150,000 applications for UCLA…or 56,000 to UMD college park for 4500 slots.

If Alabama is such a hot school…shouldn’t it have more applications than UMD or Yale?

Look at Tennessee’s applications this year and compare to five years ago. Try to find a northern public that statically increased more.

So they are up to 57,000 applicants which was 15% growth over last year amd down from 40% growth the previous year. That is for 7,000 slots.

More accurately, UT Knoxville is now finally as popular as UMD college Park (and again…barely ahead of Yale which also had a 10% increase in applications).

Had UMd grown or declined?

Grown. From 32,000 in 2019 to 56,000.

Fairly similar to UT though not quite (29,000 to 57,000), but a much smaller school 18,000 vs 28,000 undergrads.

Five years ago nobody on this board would believe Tennessee is now keeping pace with UMD.

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There are lots of great schools all over the US. People are realizing that more and more so are top employers.

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Anonymous wrote:The article is of course a decent amount of clickbait. The actual stats they quote don’t show any kind of massive shift…it’s honestly fairly lite on stats in general.

Post your specific stats.

Well, it says applications to certain private universities in the south increased by 42% vs about 28% in the North. Great, but Tulane with 34,000 applications for 1800 slots is still well below say Yale with 55,000 applications for 1350 slots or any number of northern private schools.

They say public schools had a 62% increase, yet again, no mention of the base from which they are growing. So University of Alabama had 55,000 applications this past year for 8,000 slots (BTW, they need to accept
Close to 40,000 to yield 8,000) but that’s almost 50% less than Penn State at 106,000 applications…and the same as Yale which is 1/8 the size.

Also, neither Yale or Penn State saw a decline in applications…but it’s hard to achieve high growth rates from very high starting points.

Penn State posts stats for their entire system, Alabama does not. Try again.

Ok…how about 150,000 applications for UCLA…or 56,000 to UMD college park for 4500 slots.

If Alabama is such a hot school…shouldn’t it have more applications than UMD or Yale?

Look at Tennessee’s applications this year and compare to five years ago. Try to find a northern public that statically increased more.

So they are up to 57,000 applicants which was 15% growth over last year amd down from 40% growth the previous year. That is for 7,000 slots.

More accurately, UT Knoxville is now finally as popular as UMD college Park (and again…barely ahead of Yale which also had a 10% increase in applications).

Had UMd grown or declined?

Grown. From 32,000 in 2019 to 56,000.

Fairly similar to UT though not quite (29,000 to 57,000), but a much smaller school 18,000 vs 28,000 undergrads.

Five years ago nobody on this board would believe Tennessee is now keeping pace with UMD.

Honestly, I would have thought that way more people would apply to Tenn than MD considering it is double the size.

I would think way more people than 55,000 applied to Alabama considering it is 2.5x the size of UMD.

I am more surprised at UMD’s popularity.

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Anonymous wrote:For North east applicants odds of making into Vandy, Rice and Duke are better due to geographical diversity.

No. All of New Jersey applies to all three of these schools, and 1/3 of New Jersey is admitted to Duke. Seriously.

Vandy is now close behind, and filled to the rafters with high stats grinders from NY/NJ/CT and DC/VA. These are not the "high quality of life" pretty people Greeks that DCUM imagines at Vanderbilt (and thus avoids, in favor of Penn ED).

source: my kid