What did Fauci actually do wrong?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He did lie when he said people did not need mask. He knew this was untrue and still makes that claim at the very beginning.

He didn’t lie. What would he have gotten out of lying? He was wrong. There was so little known about Covid at the beginning. Scientists corrected themselves if new information came out that proved to better information

He did lie. I posted above that it was for a benevolent reason - to save masks for HCWs. But others should have use them too and there should have been a push with DPA to boost mask production. All of that was delayed by the initial lie.

To be fair, anyone with a brain could see through it - why would an N95 protect a doctor but not a grocery store cashier?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The two can be true at the same time.

1) He didn't want panic buying and

2) They also didn't know at the time how many were asymptomatic and spreading

But that requires naunced understanding.

Good point. At that specific time, there may well have been a need to prioritize getting masks to HCWs. It isn't the "gotcha" that conservatives and contrarians think it is.

What do you think would have happened if he said...please do not hoard masks. Healthcare workers need them.

He said they were not needed when I public. He put people’s lives at risk. This is not okay no matter how much you try to justify it. People died because he stated this and caused healthcare workers to need more masks. He never, ever should have stayed this as factual. He was in a position that put people’s trust in him.

Are you kidding? Did you think he was somehow omniscient? That he knew about asymptomatic spread? That he wasn't just doing his best with the information he had?

It's as if you cannot accept anything could be merely wrong - instead, it had to have been intended maliciously. It's ludicrous. I don't know how you get through life with so much self-righteous anger.

I'm sure he knew about asymptomatic spread. Do you think this guy is a professional or not?

[Anonymous]

Thread from a mentally deranged person.

Probably the same person who keeps posting hateful things about Meghan Markel.

[Anonymous]

Conservatives hate Fauci because they think science has a liberal bias. It's strange that they don't think they have an intellectually serious philosophy, but that's where we're at.

If we had a sensible conservative party in this country, you could have conservative-friendly policies that reflect the scientific consensus.

For example rather than telling private business what to do (I thought Republicans were against that), they should have been fine when the private sector taking the lead and implemented vaccine mandates.

But instead they pander to know-nothing populism and conspiracy theories because that's where their voters are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The two can be true at the same time.

1) He didn't want panic buying and

2) They also didn't know at the time how many were asymptomatic and spreading

But that requires naunced understanding.

Good point. At that specific time, there may well have been a need to prioritize getting masks to HCWs. It isn't the "gotcha" that conservatives and contrarians think it is.

What do you think would have happened if he said...please do not hoard masks. Healthcare workers need them.

He said they were not needed when I public. He put people’s lives at risk. This is not okay no matter how much you try to justify it. People died because he stated this and caused healthcare workers to need more masks. He never, ever should have stayed this as factual. He was in a position that put people’s trust in him.

Are you kidding? Did you think he was somehow omniscient? That he knew about asymptomatic spread? That he wasn't just doing his best with the information he had?

It's as if you cannot accept anything could be merely wrong - instead, it had to have been intended maliciously. It's ludicrous. I don't know how you get through life with so much self-righteous anger.

I'm sure he knew about asymptomatic spread. Do you think this guy is a professional or not?

Do you remember when we didn't know if it spread through contact? Do you remember that it was a brand new virus and that we actually had to LEARN everything we now know? How incredible would it have been if we had instantaneously had ALL knowledge. But that is not how science works.

So if you are so sure he knew, do provide your proof. Because surely you are not so logically challenged as to think your feelings are more important than evidence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The two can be true at the same time.

1) He didn't want panic buying and

2) They also didn't know at the time how many were asymptomatic and spreading

But that requires naunced understanding.

Good point. At that specific time, there may well have been a need to prioritize getting masks to HCWs. It isn't the "gotcha" that conservatives and contrarians think it is.

What do you think would have happened if he said...please do not hoard masks. Healthcare workers need them.

He said they were not needed when I public. He put people’s lives at risk. This is not okay no matter how much you try to justify it. People died because he stated this and caused healthcare workers to need more masks. He never, ever should have stayed this as factual. He was in a position that put people’s trust in him.

Are you kidding? Did you think he was somehow omniscient? That he knew about asymptomatic spread? That he wasn't just doing his best with the information he had?

It's as if you cannot accept anything could be merely wrong - instead, it had to have been intended maliciously. It's ludicrous. I don't know how you get through life with so much self-righteous anger.

I'm sure he knew about asymptomatic spread. Do you think this guy is a professional or not?

Do you remember when we didn't know if it spread through contact? Do you remember that it was a brand new virus and that we actually had to LEARN everything we now know? How incredible would it have been if we had instantaneously had ALL knowledge. But that is not how science works.

So if you are so sure he knew, do provide your proof. Because surely you are not so logically challenged as to think your feelings are more important than evidence.

Do you think disease specialists are this confused about every virus? Come on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have nothing against Fauci but I am mad about the lockdowns. It's not the fact that every non-essential business closed that bothered me, it's the fact that people were forced to obey social distancing orders.

For instance when people were exercising their 1st amendment rights by gathering outside in public spaces in large crowds, police broke up the crowds. A famous example happened in April 2020 in NYC. In the Williamsburg neighborhood of Brooklyn, many people gathered outdoors to have a funeral for a rabbi. These people were not blocking roads, or starting a riot or anything of that nature. Yet the NYPD still broke up the crowd. Why? Because the crowd was large, and they were not following the newly imposed stupid COVID rules.

Other people across the United States were FINED and ARRESTED for the crime of not staying home. it's like being put under house arrest when you haven't actually committed a crime. People even called the police on their neighbors just for having backyard party. It was a draconian time.

The right to gather is a basic human right that no government has the right to infringe upon under any circumstance. I go and will continue to go out in public no matter what disease I have, whether it's the cold, flu, COVID, ebola or measles. No one can force me to quarantine. Not even the health department. Not even the police. Not even the government. If anyone tried to physically force me to quarantine I'd get a gun and create a huge standoff. While I in general don't do this, I'm not going to let my rights be violated.

You are truly a terrible person if you cannot stay home when sick.

PP here. I guess I'll continue to be a truly terrible person.

[Anonymous]

Fauci lied about the masks to preserve them for healthcare workers (and we were still short). Offers were made to ramp up mask production and the Trump administration shot them down. This is all on Trump- he just made Fauci the scapegoat for his multiple, fatal mistakes
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/in-the-early-days-of-the-pandemic-the-us-government-turned-down-an-offer-to-manufacture-millions-of-n95-masks-in-america/2020/05/09/f76a821e-908a-11ea-a9c0-73b93422d691_story.html

[Anonymous]

MAGA and QAnon, moms for Liberty, RFK, Jr., et al., scapegoat people. Haven’t you noticed? He’s just another one in a long line of them. Scapegoating is supposed to cure resentments and absolve people of responsibilities.

More to come. Uglier scenarios to come.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This idea that liberals are science based is so damaging. And I’m a liberal. But off the top of my head Fauci

… downplayed the very probable lab leak theory
… funded game of function research in China

Do you mean gain of function research? You think Fauci *personally* funded that? Fascinating.

I agree about the lab leak theory being downplayed. But that doesn't make Fauci a liar.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The two can be true at the same time.

1) He didn't want panic buying and

2) They also didn't know at the time how many were asymptomatic and spreading

But that requires naunced understanding.

Good point. At that specific time, there may well have been a need to prioritize getting masks to HCWs. It isn't the "gotcha" that conservatives and contrarians think it is.

What do you think would have happened if he said...please do not hoard masks. Healthcare workers need them.

He said they were not needed when I public. He put people’s lives at risk. This is not okay no matter how much you try to justify it. People died because he stated this and caused healthcare workers to need more masks. He never, ever should have stayed this as factual. He was in a position that put people’s trust in him.

Are you kidding? Did you think he was somehow omniscient? That he knew about asymptomatic spread? That he wasn't just doing his best with the information he had?

It's as if you cannot accept anything could be merely wrong - instead, it had to have been intended maliciously. It's ludicrous. I don't know how you get through life with so much self-righteous anger.

I'm sure he knew about asymptomatic spread. Do you think this guy is a professional or not?

Are you aware that different diseases spread through different means?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fauci was loose with facts, if not willing to say downright lies, when it was politically advantageous. We saw this early on when he said high-quality masks wouldn't work, when in reality he didn't want people buying them out. And we saw it later with talk about vaccine-induced herd immunity thresholds, which he later acknowledged was carefully tailored to encourage vaccination.

I wouldn't call it "politically advantageous". He's a public health expert, among other things. He got the public through a health crisis. These seem like reasonable ways to motivate the public to do what was necessary in an emergency.

But once you admit to lying, your credibility, and the credibility of the organizations you represent, is shot. It is no great surprise why so many are skeptical of the motivations and trustworthiness of the CDC and other public health organizations/officials.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The two can be true at the same time.

1) He didn't want panic buying and

2) They also didn't know at the time how many were asymptomatic and spreading

But that requires naunced understanding.

But he didn’t say that. There is no nuanced anything. He was 100% dishonest and wanted us to take his word.
You are basically saying to ignore what he said at the time now looking back 4 years later.

If you think he was "dishonest" you are an idiot.

We had a novel virus withe a President and cult members screaming "my freedoms" and other crap when Fauci was trying his best.

Why did more cult members die at a 50% higher rate than noncult members because of people like you literal idiots who have no idea how science works.

Jesus you think Fauci went in front of the whole country and lied? For what purpose you moron?

People died of covid because of Donald Trump and the whole Republican treasonous party. Fauci is a dam great human Donnie and his band of shits are the reason people died. Jesus find your dam brain.

Yes, of course he did. He admitted as much. He knew herd immunity wasn't possible eith covid, but he still did interviews stating percentages of the population that, he claimed at the time, would need to be vaccinated to achieve it. He admitted to increasing that percentage slowly over time because he didn't think the public was "ready" to hear the truth.

How could that possibly backfire?

[Anonymous]

It’s funny to hear the small government crew complain about Fauci.

Fauci signaled several times that the restrictions were overboard, schools could open, vaccinated could resume daily life, etc. He never said the economy should completely shut down the way it did and definitely not for the length of time that it did.

It was the state and local health departments that panicked about this.

Remember this next time a conservative tells you more decision making and power should be with the states and locals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s funny to hear the small government crew complain about Fauci.

Fauci signaled several times that the restrictions were overboard, schools could open, vaccinated could resume daily life, etc. He never said the economy should completely shut down the way it did and definitely not for the length of time that it did.

It was the state and local health departments that panicked about this.

Remember this next time a conservative tells you more decision making and power should be with the states and locals.

Not every state panicked. You might recall people claiming Florida and Texas would be a wasteland because they didn't lock down hard enough.