What did Fauci actually do wrong?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fauci was loose with facts, if not willing to say downright lies, when it was politically advantageous. We saw this early on when he said high-quality masks wouldn't work, when in reality he didn't want people buying them out. And we saw it later with talk about vaccine-induced herd immunity thresholds, which he later acknowledged was carefully tailored to encourage vaccination.

I wouldn't call it "politically advantageous". He's a public health expert, among other things. He got the public through a health crisis. These seem like reasonable ways to motivate the public to do what was necessary in an emergency.

This. He has to look out for public health, not individual health. They are usually aligned, but occasionally not.
And if you don’t like Fauci because of “lying” then of course you hate Trump?

What a way to justify lying to the public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fauci was loose with facts, if not willing to say downright lies, when it was politically advantageous. We saw this early on when he said high-quality masks wouldn't work, when in reality he didn't want people buying them out. And we saw it later with talk about vaccine-induced herd immunity thresholds, which he later acknowledged was carefully tailored to encourage vaccination.

I wouldn't call it "politically advantageous". He's a public health expert, among other things. He got the public through a health crisis. These seem like reasonable ways to motivate the public to do what was necessary in an emergency.

This. He has to look out for public health, not individual health. They are usually aligned, but occasionally not.
And if you don’t like Fauci because of “lying” then of course you hate Trump?

I bet you justify and condone behavior of spouses who cheat and abusers of children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The two can be true at the same time.

1) He didn't want panic buying and

2) They also didn't know at the time how many were asymptomatic and spreading

But that requires naunced understanding.

Good point. At that specific time, there may well have been a need to prioritize getting masks to HCWs. It isn't the "gotcha" that conservatives and contrarians think it is.

What do you think would have happened if he said...please do not hoard masks. Healthcare workers need them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The two can be true at the same time.

1) He didn't want panic buying and

2) They also didn't know at the time how many were asymptomatic and spreading

But that requires naunced understanding.

Good point. At that specific time, there may well have been a need to prioritize getting masks to HCWs. It isn't the "gotcha" that conservatives and contrarians think it is.

What do you think would have happened if he said...please do not hoard masks. Healthcare workers need them.

He said they were not needed when I public. He put people’s lives at risk. This is not okay no matter how much you try to justify it. People died because he stated this and caused healthcare workers to need more masks. He never, ever should have stayed this as factual. He was in a position that put people’s trust in him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The two can be true at the same time.

1) He didn't want panic buying and

2) They also didn't know at the time how many were asymptomatic and spreading

But that requires naunced understanding.

Good point. At that specific time, there may well have been a need to prioritize getting masks to HCWs. It isn't the "gotcha" that conservatives and contrarians think it is.

What do you think would have happened if he said...please do not hoard masks. Healthcare workers need them.

He said they were not needed when I public. He put people’s lives at risk. This is not okay no matter how much you try to justify it. People died because he stated this and caused healthcare workers to need more masks. He never, ever should have stayed this as factual. He was in a position that put people’s trust in him.

I was living in the UK during the pandemic. We were initially told not to mask, and then the advice changed and we were then told to mask. Fauci was not in charge in the UK. The advice changed because further research results made the right course of action clearer. That's the way science works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The two can be true at the same time.

1) He didn't want panic buying and

2) They also didn't know at the time how many were asymptomatic and spreading

But that requires naunced understanding.

Good point. At that specific time, there may well have been a need to prioritize getting masks to HCWs. It isn't the "gotcha" that conservatives and contrarians think it is.

What do you think would have happened if he said...please do not hoard masks. Healthcare workers need them.

He said they were not needed when I public. He put people’s lives at risk. This is not okay no matter how much you try to justify it. People died because he stated this and caused healthcare workers to need more masks. He never, ever should have stayed this as factual. He was in a position that put people’s trust in him.

I was living in the UK during the pandemic. We were initially told not to mask, and then the advice changed and we were then told to mask. Fauci was not in charge in the UK. The advice changed because further research results made the right course of action clearer. That's the way science works.

Except he knew the science was to mask at the time when he told people it wasn’t needed.
Science doesn’t lie like fauci did which is why he knew the mask were in fact needed.

[Anonymous]

Wait, so all the MAGAs think masks prevent transmission and Fauci should have told everyone that?

Did those people mask? Do they still mask, under any circumstances? Are they vaxxed, including boosters?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:March 8, 2020, Fauci is quoted as saying there is no reason to wear a mask.

There was no reason to wear a mask. At any point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He did lie when he said people did not need mask. He knew this was untrue and still makes that claim at the very beginning.

+1 he did it to save supply for doctors but it was a lie and he knew he was lying.

It is tragic for the grocery store and other essential workers who did not mask at the outset. Their employers got away with not getting safety gear for them. Absolutely many essential workers caught Covid and many died, just like health care workers.

I would not trust him blindly, no.

I am a lifelong Democrat and longtime fed myself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The two can be true at the same time.

1) He didn't want panic buying and

2) They also didn't know at the time how many were asymptomatic and spreading

But that requires naunced understanding.

Good point. At that specific time, there may well have been a need to prioritize getting masks to HCWs. It isn't the "gotcha" that conservatives and contrarians think it is.

What do you think would have happened if he said...please do not hoard masks. Healthcare workers need them.

He said they were not needed when I public. He put people’s lives at risk. This is not okay no matter how much you try to justify it. People died because he stated this and caused healthcare workers to need more masks. He never, ever should have stayed this as factual. He was in a position that put people’s trust in him.

Are you kidding? Did you think he was somehow omniscient? That he knew about asymptomatic spread? That he wasn't just doing his best with the information he had?

It's as if you cannot accept anything could be merely wrong - instead, it had to have been intended maliciously. It's ludicrous. I don't know how you get through life with so much self-righteous anger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He did lie when he said people did not need mask. He knew this was untrue and still makes that claim at the very beginning.

+1 he did it to save supply for doctors but it was a lie and he knew he was lying.

It is tragic for the grocery store and other essential workers who did not mask at the outset. Their employers got away with not getting safety gear for them. Absolutely many essential workers caught Covid and many died, just like health care workers.

I would not trust him blindly, no.

I am a lifelong Democrat and longtime fed myself.

There is literally no proof that he "knew he was lying." None. The feverish attacks on him that you can find all over the internet don't count as proof.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have nothing against Fauci but I am mad about the lockdowns. It's not the fact that every non-essential business closed that bothered me, it's the fact that people were forced to obey social distancing orders.

For instance when people were exercising their 1st amendment rights by gathering outside in public spaces in large crowds, police broke up the crowds. A famous example happened in April 2020 in NYC. In the Williamsburg neighborhood of Brooklyn, many people gathered outdoors to have a funeral for a rabbi. These people were not blocking roads, or starting a riot or anything of that nature. Yet the NYPD still broke up the crowd. Why? Because the crowd was large, and they were not following the newly imposed stupid COVID rules.

Other people across the United States were FINED and ARRESTED for the crime of not staying home. it's like being put under house arrest when you haven't actually committed a crime. People even called the police on their neighbors just for having backyard party. It was a draconian time.

The right to gather is a basic human right that no government has the right to infringe upon under any circumstance. I go and will continue to go out in public no matter what disease I have, whether it's the cold, flu, COVID, ebola or measles. No one can force me to quarantine. Not even the health department. Not even the police. Not even the government. If anyone tried to physically force me to quarantine I'd get a gun and create a huge standoff. While I in general don't do this, I'm not going to let my rights be violated.

You are truly a terrible person if you cannot stay home when sick.

[Anonymous]

1. No need to mask at beginning of covid
2. Lab leak theory is conspiratorial
3. Acting like 6ft distancing had any scientific basis while knowing it would keep schools closed
4. Refusal to admit natural immunity should be as good (if not better) than vaccine

He twisted his words to encourage the public behavior/response he thought was best. People warned that what he was doing was undermining public health. I agree with that latter.

[Anonymous]

Bizarre post. The guy retired and he's like 80 years old. What's the point of bringing it up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He did lie when he said people did not need mask. He knew this was untrue and still makes that claim at the very beginning.

He didn’t lie. What would he have gotten out of lying? He was wrong. There was so little known about Covid at the beginning. Scientists corrected themselves if new information came out that proved to better information