Why are kids with extreme behavior issues being mainstreamed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are these violent kids allowed in school? Make them return to virtual school like we had in the pandemic. Why are we risking the lives of everyone else?

Pp here —- Virtual is not a panacea. It’s worse for many SN kids so not appropriate.

All children in this country are entitled to a free and appropriate public education. It’s the law.

It’s not the kid’s fault if they have a disability….(yes emotional disabilities are still protected.) The problem it’s the lack of options and process for appropriate placement that is the issue.

This is bizarre reasoning, as we pathologize everything. Basically kids who regularly have outbursts or terrible behavior are "diagnosed" as having a disability and then enabled to continue behaving badly. There are lots of kids who have been parented badly, or who manipulate adults with bad behavior. This needs punishment, not a 1:1 aide.

[Anonymous]

Nothing will be done by the school. What if someone gets seriously injured or hospitalized next time? Your reluctance to involve police seems crazy to those of us who have dealt with this before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nothing will be done by the school. What if someone gets seriously injured or hospitalized next time? Your reluctance to involve police seems crazy to those of us who have dealt with this before.

Why do you keep bringing up the police? They can't do anything. You can't charge a fifth grader.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing will be done by the school. What if someone gets seriously injured or hospitalized next time? Your reluctance to involve police seems crazy to those of us who have dealt with this before.

Why do you keep bringing up the police? They can't do anything. You can't charge a fifth grader.

They create pressure on the school to do something. They create an official report, and will investigate the parents and home situation to see if there are problems there. Social services can potentially get involved. It can help demonstrate need for better placement / services in the school.

[Anonymous]

I was asking the same question in 2012 when I had grade school students, OP. Something changed around then. I watched it happen between our first and second kid. The taunting changed, the instances of bullying and maladaptive behavior grew far worse in only a few years.

This isn't a new question. It's been going on for at least 14-15 years now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing will be done by the school. What if someone gets seriously injured or hospitalized next time? Your reluctance to involve police seems crazy to those of us who have dealt with this before.

Why do you keep bringing up the police? They can't do anything. You can't charge a fifth grader.

They create pressure on the school to do something. They create an official report, and will investigate the parents and home situation to see if there are problems there. Social services can potentially get involved. It can help demonstrate need for better placement / services in the school.

No, they won't. The police literally can't do anything in a situation like this. You could call CPS, but there's no plausible claim of negligence or abuse, do they can't do anything, either. You're just wasting everyone's time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing will be done by the school. What if someone gets seriously injured or hospitalized next time? Your reluctance to involve police seems crazy to those of us who have dealt with this before.

Why do you keep bringing up the police? They can't do anything. You can't charge a fifth grader.

Not the PP but laws still apply to minors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing will be done by the school. What if someone gets seriously injured or hospitalized next time? Your reluctance to involve police seems crazy to those of us who have dealt with this before.

Why do you keep bringing up the police? They can't do anything. You can't charge a fifth grader.

They create pressure on the school to do something. They create an official report, and will investigate the parents and home situation to see if there are problems there. Social services can potentially get involved. It can help demonstrate need for better placement / services in the school.

No, they won't. The police literally can't do anything in a situation like this. You could call CPS, but there's no plausible claim of negligence or abuse, do they can't do anything, either. You're just wasting everyone's time.

The police can do everything the PP said but simply choose not to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A few SES kids came to my kid's ES this year. They all have shadows. One of them seems to be violent and it is causing anxiety in several kids in the class. This kid has tried lifting a 3rd grader by the neck before. Not sure if the 3rd grader's parents were notified.

Today was a whole new issue. At recess this SES kid ran to another kid in same class who is bigger than him, and tried to tackle him but SES shadow pulled him away. Then he ran to another kid half his size, put his arm around that kid's neck and started punching him in the cheek with other hand. The shadow ran again and pulled him away. My kid says the other kid was crying. After this the SES kid went to teacher's bathroom and knocked a painting that was there.

A few hours later SES kid ran into the class where the 1st child whom he tried to tackle was, went up to him, put a pair of scissors against him and told him "I wanna F'ing kill you. This is attempted murder". The shadow pulled him away. The new teacher started crying.

If I were the parent of any of these other children, I would raise a stink.

What is the purpose of having these kids with extreme behavior issues mainstreamed at the risk of causing fear in other students as well as teachers? Shouldn't they be in self contained classes? There are 2 other SES kids who are not aggressive so those kids being mainstreamed makes sense. But this does not.

My kid likes the school but does not feel safe when things like this happen.

I guess we've been lucky that our title 1 school doesn't have these issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few SES kids came to my kid's ES this year. They all have shadows. One of them seems to be violent and it is causing anxiety in several kids in the class. This kid has tried lifting a 3rd grader by the neck before. Not sure if the 3rd grader's parents were notified.

Today was a whole new issue. At recess this SES kid ran to another kid in same class who is bigger than him, and tried to tackle him but SES shadow pulled him away. Then he ran to another kid half his size, put his arm around that kid's neck and started punching him in the cheek with other hand. The shadow ran again and pulled him away. My kid says the other kid was crying. After this the SES kid went to teacher's bathroom and knocked a painting that was there.

A few hours later SES kid ran into the class where the 1st child whom he tried to tackle was, went up to him, put a pair of scissors against him and told him "I wanna F'ing kill you. This is attempted murder". The shadow pulled him away. The new teacher started crying.

If I were the parent of any of these other children, I would raise a stink.

What is the purpose of having these kids with extreme behavior issues mainstreamed at the risk of causing fear in other students as well as teachers? Shouldn't they be in self contained classes? There are 2 other SES kids who are not aggressive so those kids being mainstreamed makes sense. But this does not.

My kid likes the school but does not feel safe when things like this happen.

I guess we've been lucky that our title 1 school doesn't have these issues.

That you are aware of

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few SES kids came to my kid's ES this year. They all have shadows. One of them seems to be violent and it is causing anxiety in several kids in the class. This kid has tried lifting a 3rd grader by the neck before. Not sure if the 3rd grader's parents were notified.

Today was a whole new issue. At recess this SES kid ran to another kid in same class who is bigger than him, and tried to tackle him but SES shadow pulled him away. Then he ran to another kid half his size, put his arm around that kid's neck and started punching him in the cheek with other hand. The shadow ran again and pulled him away. My kid says the other kid was crying. After this the SES kid went to teacher's bathroom and knocked a painting that was there.

A few hours later SES kid ran into the class where the 1st child whom he tried to tackle was, went up to him, put a pair of scissors against him and told him "I wanna F'ing kill you. This is attempted murder". The shadow pulled him away. The new teacher started crying.

If I were the parent of any of these other children, I would raise a stink.

What is the purpose of having these kids with extreme behavior issues mainstreamed at the risk of causing fear in other students as well as teachers? Shouldn't they be in self contained classes? There are 2 other SES kids who are not aggressive so those kids being mainstreamed makes sense. But this does not.

My kid likes the school but does not feel safe when things like this happen.

I guess we've been lucky that our title 1 school doesn't have these issues.

That you are aware of

Schools tend to bury these issues and hope nobody contacts the police.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing will be done by the school. What if someone gets seriously injured or hospitalized next time? Your reluctance to involve police seems crazy to those of us who have dealt with this before.

Why do you keep bringing up the police? They can't do anything. You can't charge a fifth grader.

Not the PP but laws still apply to minors.

Not exactly. A fifth grader can't be charged with a crime in this case. Not even in the juvenile justice system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing will be done by the school. What if someone gets seriously injured or hospitalized next time? Your reluctance to involve police seems crazy to those of us who have dealt with this before.

Why do you keep bringing up the police? They can't do anything. You can't charge a fifth grader.

They create pressure on the school to do something. They create an official report, and will investigate the parents and home situation to see if there are problems there. Social services can potentially get involved. It can help demonstrate need for better placement / services in the school.

No, they won't. The police literally can't do anything in a situation like this. You could call CPS, but there's no plausible claim of negligence or abuse, do they can't do anything, either. You're just wasting everyone's time.

The police can do everything the PP said but simply choose not to.

Yes and no. They could take a report, because a crime doesn't have to have been committed to do that, but they wouldn't be able to do anything with it. They could see if the parents were willing to talk voluntarily, but they wouldn't be able to detain them for questioning or search the house. CPS could potentially reach out to the parents to offer services, but there's no claim of abuse or negligence for them to investigate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few SES kids came to my kid's ES this year. They all have shadows. One of them seems to be violent and it is causing anxiety in several kids in the class. This kid has tried lifting a 3rd grader by the neck before. Not sure if the 3rd grader's parents were notified.

Today was a whole new issue. At recess this SES kid ran to another kid in same class who is bigger than him, and tried to tackle him but SES shadow pulled him away. Then he ran to another kid half his size, put his arm around that kid's neck and started punching him in the cheek with other hand. The shadow ran again and pulled him away. My kid says the other kid was crying. After this the SES kid went to teacher's bathroom and knocked a painting that was there.

A few hours later SES kid ran into the class where the 1st child whom he tried to tackle was, went up to him, put a pair of scissors against him and told him "I wanna F'ing kill you. This is attempted murder". The shadow pulled him away. The new teacher started crying.

If I were the parent of any of these other children, I would raise a stink.

What is the purpose of having these kids with extreme behavior issues mainstreamed at the risk of causing fear in other students as well as teachers? Shouldn't they be in self contained classes? There are 2 other SES kids who are not aggressive so those kids being mainstreamed makes sense. But this does not.

My kid likes the school but does not feel safe when things like this happen.

I guess we've been lucky that our title 1 school doesn't have these issues.

That you are aware of

Schools tend to bury these issues and hope nobody contacts the police.

Why would the school care? If this was a high schooler, then yes, the police could investigate and potentially charge the child with a crime. But since we're talking about a fifth grader, there's no chargeable offense to investigate. Do these posters really no understand that?

[Anonymous]

If a teacher has a whole class of cell phones disrespect and behavior issues whats the best course of action. Give hundreds of students a free pass at the detriment to classroom learning or blame and end the teachers contract as teachers take the blame these days as "bad classroom management" hint: it's usually the teachers that take the hit