Why are kids with extreme behavior issues being mainstreamed?

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Anonymous wrote:How do you know the details of the incident?

It's easy to know all the details when you make the whole thing up.

OP here. Too bad for you, I am not making this up.

Our Principal just sent the whole class a message through ParentVue addressing this scissors issue and he said that he and members of student well being team will be meeting with the 5th graders on Monday. He acknowledged that this is a clear violation of Mcps code of conduct.

I'm hoping this child will be removed if students tell him their fears. If the PTA calls for a townhall, I think it will be good.

Op, put your pitch forks down. The principal sent a message saying it's a violation of the code of conduct. The school seems to be on top of this and I can guarantee you they are already making moves to have the child in a better environment. The scissors incident is alarming and unusual. I have three kids who went through MCPS elementary schools and none experienced anything close to that.

A town hall would be completely inappropriate. What are you hoping to do? Hang the child?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are these violent kids allowed in school? Make them return to virtual school like we had in the pandemic. Why are we risking the lives of everyone else?

The reason is quite simple: it would be blatantly illegal.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are these violent kids allowed in school? Make them return to virtual school like we had in the pandemic. Why are we risking the lives of everyone else?

Pp here —- Virtual is not a panacea. It’s worse for many SN kids so not appropriate.

All children in this country are entitled to a free and appropriate public education. It’s the law.

It’s not the kid’s fault if they have a disability….(yes emotional disabilities are still protected.) The problem it’s the lack of options and process for appropriate placement that is the issue.

OP this is why these violent kids are mainstreamed. It the parents.

This one shows zero empathy for the education of dozens of students that her kid is ruining. Not to mention the daily terror and learning to hate school she and her child are creating.

You seem to misunderstand how things work. Every parent of kids with EDs we know want their kids in a supportive placement - NOT mainstream placement so they can better learn how to regulate themselves. It's the school districts that object and don't want to do the documentation or spend the money to get them that help. There's a shortage of qualified special ed teachers, school psychologists and social workers and they've never fully funded the law that set this situation up in the first place.

The best thing you can do is support these families so their children can get the help they need.

Again proving my point. No one in here do you show any empathy for the children you kid is ruining. In fact you even finish your post with me! me! me! me! Why do we have to support you when you have zero effs to give to children you are hurting?

I thank dog my kid is normal, but if he was threatening and hurting other kids and teachers, I would have the self awareness and empathy of others to remove him from that environment. Consequences be damned.

And we all know there are no consequences happening in MCPS for any reason.

I'm glad you "thank dog" your kid is "normal." WTF.

I don't have a kid with special needs much less in an SES program, but my child has benefited a lot from having kids with special needs in her classroom and having kids with special needs as friends so yes I do believe in inclusion. The parents who have objected to it have kids with undiagnosed special needs themselves. The one mom I remember complaining to everyone about the SES kids had a child who was struggling to learn how to read and crying and blamed it on the SES kids who were not disruptive. Two years later her child was diagnosed with dyslexia and generalized anxiety. She was just angry about her child being behind and wanted someone to blame.

Wild guess but there's something probably not really "normal" about your child and you are looking for excuses.

You just equated dyslexia with a violent child threatening people with scissors and hurting students.

This is where you and I disagree. I do not believe including violent people in my child's learning environment is for the better good.

But you do you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are these violent kids allowed in school? Make them return to virtual school like we had in the pandemic. Why are we risking the lives of everyone else?

Pp here —- Virtual is not a panacea. It’s worse for many SN kids so not appropriate.

All children in this country are entitled to a free and appropriate public education. It’s the law.

It’s not the kid’s fault if they have a disability….(yes emotional disabilities are still protected.) The problem it’s the lack of options and process for appropriate placement that is the issue.

OP this is why these violent kids are mainstreamed. It the parents.

This one shows zero empathy for the education of dozens of students that her kid is ruining. Not to mention the daily terror and learning to hate school she and her child are creating.

You seem to misunderstand how things work. Every parent of kids with EDs we know want their kids in a supportive placement - NOT mainstream placement so they can better learn how to regulate themselves. It's the school districts that object and don't want to do the documentation or spend the money to get them that help. There's a shortage of qualified special ed teachers, school psychologists and social workers and they've never fully funded the law that set this situation up in the first place.

The best thing you can do is support these families so their children can get the help they need.

Again proving my point. No one in here do you show any empathy for the children you kid is ruining. In fact you even finish your post with me! me! me! me! Why do we have to support you when you have zero effs to give to children you are hurting?

I thank dog my kid is normal, but if he was threatening and hurting other kids and teachers, I would have the self awareness and empathy of others to remove him from that environment. Consequences be damned.

And we all know there are no consequences happening in MCPS for any reason.

I'm glad you "thank dog" your kid is "normal." WTF.

I don't have a kid with special needs much less in an SES program, but my child has benefited a lot from having kids with special needs in her classroom and having kids with special needs as friends so yes I do believe in inclusion. The parents who have objected to it have kids with undiagnosed special needs themselves. The one mom I remember complaining to everyone about the SES kids had a child who was struggling to learn how to read and crying and blamed it on the SES kids who were not disruptive. Two years later her child was diagnosed with dyslexia and generalized anxiety. She was just angry about her child being behind and wanted someone to blame.

Wild guess but there's something probably not really "normal" about your child and you are looking for excuses.

You just equated dyslexia with a violent child threatening people with scissors and hurting students.

This is where you and I disagree. I do not believe including violent people in my child's learning environment is for the better good.

But you do you.

Exactly. Kids with physical disabilities, dyslexia, autism, are totally different than these ones with mental problems and those who are violent. A lot of it stems from child abuse and trauma but mentally they have many issues. ODD shouldn’t be treated the same as adhd.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Why are these violent kids allowed in school? Make them return to virtual school like we had in the pandemic. Why are we risking the lives of everyone else?

Pp here —- Virtual is not a panacea. It’s worse for many SN kids so not appropriate.

All children in this country are entitled to a free and appropriate public education. It’s the law.

It’s not the kid’s fault if they have a disability….(yes emotional disabilities are still protected.) The problem it’s the lack of options and process for appropriate placement that is the issue.

OP this is why these violent kids are mainstreamed. It the parents.

This one shows zero empathy for the education of dozens of students that her kid is ruining. Not to mention the daily terror and learning to hate school she and her child are creating.

You seem to misunderstand how things work. Every parent of kids with EDs we know want their kids in a supportive placement - NOT mainstream placement so they can better learn how to regulate themselves. It's the school districts that object and don't want to do the documentation or spend the money to get them that help. There's a shortage of qualified special ed teachers, school psychologists and social workers and they've never fully funded the law that set this situation up in the first place.

The best thing you can do is support these families so their children can get the help they need.

Again proving my point. No one in here do you show any empathy for the children you kid is ruining. In fact you even finish your post with me! me! me! me! Why do we have to support you when you have zero effs to give to children you are hurting?

I thank dog my kid is normal, but if he was threatening and hurting other kids and teachers, I would have the self awareness and empathy of others to remove him from that environment. Consequences be damned.

And we all know there are no consequences happening in MCPS for any reason.

I'm glad you "thank dog" your kid is "normal." WTF.

I don't have a kid with special needs much less in an SES program, but my child has benefited a lot from having kids with special needs in her classroom and having kids with special needs as friends so yes I do believe in inclusion. The parents who have objected to it have kids with undiagnosed special needs themselves. The one mom I remember complaining to everyone about the SES kids had a child who was struggling to learn how to read and crying and blamed it on the SES kids who were not disruptive. Two years later her child was diagnosed with dyslexia and generalized anxiety. She was just angry about her child being behind and wanted someone to blame.

Wild guess but there's something probably not really "normal" about your child and you are looking for excuses.

You just equated dyslexia with a violent child threatening people with scissors and hurting students.

This is where you and I disagree. I do not believe including violent people in my child's learning environment is for the better good.

But you do you.

I think you need to take your meds.

No person on this thread is arguing that the child who made the scissors threat is the same as a child with dyslexia and no behaviors. No one. It's just your own warped mind. Children who are truly violent -and I'm not talking about kids who have disruptive meltdowns or occasionally may make bad decisions and hit other children-are really rare and this district has special schools and programs for them. The only argument people are making is that the parents of this child want the same thing you do which is to have the child somewhere where they can get help and not disturb or harm anyone. It seems like you are the same poster who made the racist comment earlier in the thread about some kids being mainstreamed because they are of a certain background and their parents want them mainstreamed and it's not good for optics to put them in a different school. That idea is simply ignorant and ridiculous.

FWIW, my child was kicked hard in the face by a child having a meltdown in 5th grade. My child fell down and was injured and it was scary. The other child needed help and must have gotten it because the child is now fully mainstreamed and doing well. I do not think of this child as violent and at no point did I not want that child in my child's class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Why are these violent kids allowed in school? Make them return to virtual school like we had in the pandemic. Why are we risking the lives of everyone else?

Pp here —- Virtual is not a panacea. It’s worse for many SN kids so not appropriate.

All children in this country are entitled to a free and appropriate public education. It’s the law.

It’s not the kid’s fault if they have a disability….(yes emotional disabilities are still protected.) The problem it’s the lack of options and process for appropriate placement that is the issue.

OP this is why these violent kids are mainstreamed. It the parents.

This one shows zero empathy for the education of dozens of students that her kid is ruining. Not to mention the daily terror and learning to hate school she and her child are creating.

You seem to misunderstand how things work. Every parent of kids with EDs we know want their kids in a supportive placement - NOT mainstream placement so they can better learn how to regulate themselves. It's the school districts that object and don't want to do the documentation or spend the money to get them that help. There's a shortage of qualified special ed teachers, school psychologists and social workers and they've never fully funded the law that set this situation up in the first place.

The best thing you can do is support these families so their children can get the help they need.

Again proving my point. No one in here do you show any empathy for the children you kid is ruining. In fact you even finish your post with me! me! me! me! Why do we have to support you when you have zero effs to give to children you are hurting?

I thank dog my kid is normal, but if he was threatening and hurting other kids and teachers, I would have the self awareness and empathy of others to remove him from that environment. Consequences be damned.

And we all know there are no consequences happening in MCPS for any reason.

I'm glad you "thank dog" your kid is "normal." WTF.

I don't have a kid with special needs much less in an SES program, but my child has benefited a lot from having kids with special needs in her classroom and having kids with special needs as friends so yes I do believe in inclusion. The parents who have objected to it have kids with undiagnosed special needs themselves. The one mom I remember complaining to everyone about the SES kids had a child who was struggling to learn how to read and crying and blamed it on the SES kids who were not disruptive. Two years later her child was diagnosed with dyslexia and generalized anxiety. She was just angry about her child being behind and wanted someone to blame.

Wild guess but there's something probably not really "normal" about your child and you are looking for excuses.

You just equated dyslexia with a violent child threatening people with scissors and hurting students.

This is where you and I disagree. I do not believe including violent people in my child's learning environment is for the better good.

But you do you.

Exactly. Kids with physical disabilities, dyslexia, autism, are totally different than these ones with mental problems and those who are violent. A lot of it stems from child abuse and trauma but mentally they have many issues. ODD shouldn’t be treated the same as adhd.

They don't treat these issues in the same way. Your post doesn't even make sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are these violent kids allowed in school? Make them return to virtual school like we had in the pandemic. Why are we risking the lives of everyone else?

The reason is quite simple: it would be blatantly illegal.

If virtual school is fine for the pandemic it would also be fine for the physically violent. Legally it would be a winner.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are these violent kids allowed in school? Make them return to virtual school like we had in the pandemic. Why are we risking the lives of everyone else?

The reason is quite simple: it would be blatantly illegal.

Pish posh!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And people wonder why parents are fleeing to privates and homeschooling.

for these imagined problems I guess?

[Anonymous]

MCPS central office is useless and spineless, so I you just have to cross your fingers and hope the school admin are up to the job of dealing with kids who present a real threat.

OP, sounds like the principal is communicating what they can and taking it seriously, fwiw.

School admin and teachers at my child’s middle school took it seriously when we went to them because another student stalks/threatens/assaults my kid (and others). The other kid’s parents are professionally successful people who are also sociopaths. They hold up this or that diagnosis to deflect scrutiny on the child’s cruelty towards others and lack of consequences at home. It’s awful, but it’s so completely awful that at least nobody is victim-blaming my kid. We went straight to serious safety-planning with not even a mention of restorative justice (which I’m all for when it’s appropriate and done correctly, but all the buzzwordy, nonsense talk about it in MCPS is horrifying).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are these violent kids allowed in school? Make them return to virtual school like we had in the pandemic. Why are we risking the lives of everyone else?

Pp here —- Virtual is not a panacea. It’s worse for many SN kids so not appropriate.

All children in this country are entitled to a free and appropriate public education. It’s the law.

It’s not the kid’s fault if they have a disability….(yes emotional disabilities are still protected.) The problem it’s the lack of options and process for appropriate placement that is the issue.

OP this is why these violent kids are mainstreamed. It the parents.

This one shows zero empathy for the education of dozens of students that her kid is ruining. Not to mention the daily terror and learning to hate school she and her child are creating.

You seem to misunderstand how things work. Every parent of kids with EDs we know want their kids in a supportive placement - NOT mainstream placement so they can better learn how to regulate themselves. It's the school districts that object and don't want to do the documentation or spend the money to get them that help. There's a shortage of qualified special ed teachers, school psychologists and social workers and they've never fully funded the law that set this situation up in the first place.

The best thing you can do is support these families so their children can get the help they need.

Again proving my point. No one in here do you show any empathy for the children you kid is ruining. In fact you even finish your post with me! me! me! me! Why do we have to support you when you have zero effs to give to children you are hurting?

I thank dog my kid is normal, but if he was threatening and hurting other kids and teachers, I would have the self awareness and empathy of others to remove him from that environment. Consequences be damned.

And we all know there are no consequences happening in MCPS for any reason.

I'm glad you "thank dog" your kid is "normal." WTF.

I don't have a kid with special needs much less in an SES program, but my child has benefited a lot from having kids with special needs in her classroom and having kids with special needs as friends so yes I do believe in inclusion. The parents who have objected to it have kids with undiagnosed special needs themselves. The one mom I remember complaining to everyone about the SES kids had a child who was struggling to learn how to read and crying and blamed it on the SES kids who were not disruptive. Two years later her child was diagnosed with dyslexia and generalized anxiety. She was just angry about her child being behind and wanted someone to blame.

Wild guess but there's something probably not really "normal" about your child and you are looking for excuses.

You just equated dyslexia with a violent child threatening people with scissors and hurting students.

This is where you and I disagree. I do not believe including violent people in my child's learning environment is for the better good.

But you do you.

I think you need to take your meds.

No person on this thread is arguing that the child who made the scissors threat is the same as a child with dyslexia and no behaviors. No one. It's just your own warped mind. Children who are truly violent -and I'm not talking about kids who have disruptive meltdowns or occasionally may make bad decisions and hit other children-are really rare and this district has special schools and programs for them. The only argument people are making is that the parents of this child want the same thing you do which is to have the child somewhere where they can get help and not disturb or harm anyone. It seems like you are the same poster who made the racist comment earlier in the thread about some kids being mainstreamed because they are of a certain background and their parents want them mainstreamed and it's not good for optics to put them in a different school. That idea is simply ignorant and ridiculous.

FWIW, my child was kicked hard in the face by a child having a meltdown in 5th grade. My child fell down and was injured and it was scary. The other child needed help and must have gotten it because the child is now fully mainstreamed and doing well. I do not think of this child as violent and at no point did I not want that child in my child's class.

I'm not the PP, but here's where I disagree. When a child having a meltdown injured someone else, that, imo, is the time to move to a self contained class. Intent doesn't matter. Harm does.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are these violent kids allowed in school? Make them return to virtual school like we had in the pandemic. Why are we risking the lives of everyone else?

Pp here —- Virtual is not a panacea. It’s worse for many SN kids so not appropriate.

All children in this country are entitled to a free and appropriate public education. It’s the law.

It’s not the kid’s fault if they have a disability….(yes emotional disabilities are still protected.) The problem it’s the lack of options and process for appropriate placement that is the issue.

OP this is why these violent kids are mainstreamed. It the parents.

This one shows zero empathy for the education of dozens of students that her kid is ruining. Not to mention the daily terror and learning to hate school she and her child are creating.

You seem to misunderstand how things work. Every parent of kids with EDs we know want their kids in a supportive placement - NOT mainstream placement so they can better learn how to regulate themselves. It's the school districts that object and don't want to do the documentation or spend the money to get them that help. There's a shortage of qualified special ed teachers, school psychologists and social workers and they've never fully funded the law that set this situation up in the first place.

The best thing you can do is support these families so their children can get the help they need.

Again proving my point. No one in here do you show any empathy for the children you kid is ruining. In fact you even finish your post with me! me! me! me! Why do we have to support you when you have zero effs to give to children you are hurting?

I thank dog my kid is normal, but if he was threatening and hurting other kids and teachers, I would have the self awareness and empathy of others to remove him from that environment. Consequences be damned.

And we all know there are no consequences happening in MCPS for any reason.

I'm glad you "thank dog" your kid is "normal." WTF.

I don't have a kid with special needs much less in an SES program, but my child has benefited a lot from having kids with special needs in her classroom and having kids with special needs as friends so yes I do believe in inclusion. The parents who have objected to it have kids with undiagnosed special needs themselves. The one mom I remember complaining to everyone about the SES kids had a child who was struggling to learn how to read and crying and blamed it on the SES kids who were not disruptive. Two years later her child was diagnosed with dyslexia and generalized anxiety. She was just angry about her child being behind and wanted someone to blame.

Wild guess but there's something probably not really "normal" about your child and you are looking for excuses.

You just equated dyslexia with a violent child threatening people with scissors and hurting students.

This is where you and I disagree. I do not believe including violent people in my child's learning environment is for the better good.

But you do you.

I think you need to take your meds.

No person on this thread is arguing that the child who made the scissors threat is the same as a child with dyslexia and no behaviors. No one. It's just your own warped mind. Children who are truly violent -and I'm not talking about kids who have disruptive meltdowns or occasionally may make bad decisions and hit other children-are really rare and this district has special schools and programs for them. The only argument people are making is that the parents of this child want the same thing you do which is to have the child somewhere where they can get help and not disturb or harm anyone. It seems like you are the same poster who made the racist comment earlier in the thread about some kids being mainstreamed because they are of a certain background and their parents want them mainstreamed and it's not good for optics to put them in a different school. That idea is simply ignorant and ridiculous.

FWIW, my child was kicked hard in the face by a child having a meltdown in 5th grade. My child fell down and was injured and it was scary. The other child needed help and must have gotten it because the child is now fully mainstreamed and doing well. I do not think of this child as violent and at no point did I not want that child in my child's class.

I'm not the PP, but here's where I disagree. When a child having a meltdown injured someone else, that, imo, is the time to move to a self contained class. Intent doesn't matter. Harm does.

The issue is there aren’t self contained classes readily available to put this type of kid.

Instead you have to go through a year long process for placement at a non-public.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you know the details of the incident?

It's easy to know all the details when you make the whole thing up.

OP here. Too bad for you, I am not making this up.

Our Principal just sent the whole class a message through ParentVue addressing this scissors issue and he said that he and members of student well being team will be meeting with the 5th graders on Monday. He acknowledged that this is a clear violation of Mcps code of conduct.

I'm hoping this child will be removed if students tell him their fears. If the PTA calls for a townhall, I think it will be good.

Op, put your pitch forks down. The principal sent a message saying it's a violation of the code of conduct. The school seems to be on top of this and I can guarantee you they are already making moves to have the child in a better environment. The scissors incident is alarming and unusual. I have three kids who went through MCPS elementary schools and none experienced anything close to that.

A town hall would be completely inappropriate. What are you hoping to do? Hang the child?

No. If you read my other posts, I am not crazy like the other poster who wants me to file a police report on a 5th grader. All I want is for this particular kid (I'm not against all the SES kids) to be moved to another setting that is appropriate for him. I felt the townhall would give parents the opportunity to talk about these incidents. That's all. If the principal follows up and communicates to the rest of the school what actions they have taken regarding this kid (if he will no longer be in this school) that is also good enough.

I went back to Parentvue email and saw that the scissors event was addressed to the whole school. That was witnessed by only one 5th grade class but one kid from the class ran and told other 5th grade classes right away. Reading the email again, it looks like the meeting on Monday will only be with the 5th grade class that witnessed it, not all of 5th grade. I'm surprised that the recess event involving the second kid who was attacked was not mentioned. That was witnessed by the entire 5th grade.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS central office is useless and spineless, so I you just have to cross your fingers and hope the school admin are up to the job of dealing with kids who present a real threat.

OP, sounds like the principal is communicating what they can and taking it seriously, fwiw.

School admin and teachers at my child’s middle school took it seriously when we went to them because another student stalks/threatens/assaults my kid (and others). The other kid’s parents are professionally successful people who are also sociopaths. They hold up this or that diagnosis to deflect scrutiny on the child’s cruelty towards others and lack of consequences at home. It’s awful, but it’s so completely awful that at least nobody is victim-blaming my kid. We went straight to serious safety-planning with not even a mention of restorative justice (which I’m all for when it’s appropriate and done correctly, but all the buzzwordy, nonsense talk about it in MCPS is horrifying).

When I posted this thread, Principal's email hadn't been sent out yet. From his email, yes, it looks like they will be handling it. This is not the first event because of this kid, so I am hoping something will be done. He didn't address the event at recess involving another child and this kid though.

I hope it gets better for your kid. I'm interested in what safety planning you did.

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Anonymous wrote:A few SES kids came to my kid's ES this year. They all have shadows. One of them seems to be violent and it is causing anxiety in several kids in the class. This kid has tried lifting a 3rd grader by the neck before. Not sure if the 3rd grader's parents were notified.

Today was a whole new issue. At recess this SES kid ran to another kid in same class who is bigger than him, and tried to tackle him but SES shadow pulled him away. Then he ran to another kid half his size, put his arm around that kid's neck and started punching him in the cheek with other hand. The shadow ran again and pulled him away. My kid says the other kid was crying. After this the SES kid went to teacher's bathroom and knocked a painting that was there.

A few hours later SES kid ran into the class where the 1st child whom he tried to tackle was, went up to him, put a pair of scissors against him and told him "I wanna F'ing kill you. This is attempted murder". The shadow pulled him away. The new teacher started crying.

If I were the parent of any of these other children, I would raise a stink.

What is the purpose of having these kids with extreme behavior issues mainstreamed at the risk of causing fear in other students as well as teachers? Shouldn't they be in self contained classes? There are 2 other SES kids who are not aggressive so those kids being mainstreamed makes sense. But this does not.

My kid likes the school but does not feel safe when things like this happen.

Never had this at my kids MCPS schools so seems to be isolated.

Are you in an affluent area? The SES kids with shadows are all new to the school. No idea where they went to school before since they don't interact much with my kid. Maybe MCPS is trying out something new. I just wish it wasn't at our school. Last year was uneventful. Our Principal is very inclusive and we like him. I believe he will do what is right for the rest of the kids and get this kid moved.

From what my child says, I think there are about 7 or 8 kids with shadows across the grades who came in new this year. Three in the 5th grade, 2 are fine and then there is this kid. I believe they are allowed to do what they want and shadow/aide follows them everywhere. A younger kid with a shadow, in another grade, caused a school lockdown by trying to run out of the school and many teachers had to restrain him.

It sounds like they have disbanded a special ed program elsewhere or moved it to your school and it's not working.

There was an SES program at my child's school and it was never like this. You barely noticed any difference between the kids in the SES program and the other mainstreamed kids. If there was a child close to a meltdown a para would help them leave the classroom and they would return when they were better. DC was friends with some of these kids and really I couldn't tell which kids were in the program and which were not. I've never heard of any violence towards other kids. Most of these kids ended up "graduating" from the program and just became regular mainstream students. I did hear of one that went to a more restrictive placement but that was an exception. This was over six full years.

Has someone contacted the district special ed superintendent to send more resources to the school or talked to the person who runs the SES program there about what's going on? The problem is not the kids. It's that someone is not allocating sufficient help for those kids.

You may be right. I see a "Behavior Support Teacher" and a lot of "Paraeducator Spec Ed" on our school directory.

I have no idea if anyone has contacted district special ed superintendent.

According to my kid, this child has had 2 aides/shadows recently. My kid thinks the new person could be the Dad because they look like Dad and son, but who knows. If it was really the Dad, I guess he now has a case for his child to be moved instead of waiting one year like the PP said, since he was there during the recess event. The Principal has not addressed the recess event though and I'm surprised because the entire grade witnessed that and kids talk.