Middle school boundary adjustments aps

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Anonymous wrote:Williamsburg is too underenrolled for them to do nothing while several other middle schools sit there at I full capacity or over.

No other middle schools is over capacity.

People are free to transfer.

I'm sure you'd find that solution equally helpful if Gunston were the vastly under-enrolled school and Williamsburg at/above capacity.

At the elementary level, Drew has been underenrolled since Montessori moved out with no signs of that ever changing. APS is fine with letting a school be underenrolled if people aren't yelling about it.

Drew's population is precisely the demographic that SHOULD be in a small school. Nottingham is not.

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Same with Williamsburg. Such a joke.

And voluntary transfers is not going to fill up Williamsburg.

The messaging that you should leave the rich kids under enrolled and it’s all good the rest of you are at capacity is so freaking typical N Arlington obnoxious.

With the governor pulling funds and the county needing to raise estate taxes just to get APS to break even, you’re welcome to start a gofundme to pay for the buses and drivers that APS would need to turn the existing walkers at Swanson and Hamm into bus riders.

Personally I’d rather APS focus on what’s absolutely necessary this year, which will be hard enough as it is.

Get real. The bus routes shift every year and they wouldn’t need to buy any new buses. But good scare tactic.

Hey I’ve got an idea maybe they should let the walkers walk to Cardinal and then we can use their buses! Oh wait we have to keep McKinley together and blah blah.

People trot out all their favorite arguments when it works for them. It’s the Rolodex of catch phrases of arguments that suit my purpose.

You aren’t paying attention. If you convert walkers into rider you absolutely need new buses not just new routes.

The transportation department has more flexibility than what you are portraying to deal with changes. These same buses take elementary, high school, and option school kids on their routes. Sure it might be a new bus or buses on the middle school run but doing this at the margins, which is what you’re talking about here, they sort it out. They also do things like add a couple stops to existing routes on buses that are less full. All 3 of my kids have been busers and their routes change year to year and the buses are not even that full typically.

You don’t understand. The proposal was to move 1/2 of Hamm, almost all walkers, to WMS.

A big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk. It's too far on streets without sidewalks. And many of the kids they were moving to Hamm would have been walkers too (e.g., most of Glebe).

Thanks for admitting your argument is made up entirely on your “serious doubts” instead of actual facts. And thanks for admitting you know nothing about Hamm or the neighborhood it’s in. Almost every street has sidewalks, and the kids walk!

I don't know who you think you're responding to, but I'm a np.

They were responding to your one speculation: “ big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk”. Just because you just posted for the first time doesn’t mean you weren’t making up stuff as you obviously were since you said there were no sidewalks.

Just because you post that all kids in the walk zone walk to Hamm doesn't make it true. As many have agreed, the MS walk zones are big and there are major roads to cross to get to Hamm.

Really, there's no need to be obnoxious. We all understand that you are just fighting to avoid being rezoned to Williamsburg.

What’s interesting is that the neighborhoods safe from rezoning are the ones south of Langston, who have to cross the biggest road in that entire area to get to Hamm.

It’s the same location/seat mismatch problem that led to the whole elementary switcheroo. HB Woodlawn is in the spot we actually need middle seats to be located, but that ship has sailed.

Curious take. There are very few MS students in Rosslyn; if Hamm was at the Heights Bldg, you would simply have been busing WAY more students than now (all Hamm walkers) and underutilizing the largest Middle School parcel (current Hamm campus). What exactly was your proposal?

The Heights walk zone includes all of Lyon Village, Courthouse and most of Clarendon as well as Rosslyn. There are a ton of middle school students there. Again, not happening, but the kids are there. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/57/2023/08/HSP_Heights_SY23_24.pdf

Ok but there are also a lot of kids around Hamm. That neighorhood make is very, very clear that they Simply.Would.Not.Stand.For busing their darlings to a tiny urban plot in scary Rosslyn (oh the horror!) So the irony is that HB and Shriver got shoved there, but now everyone complains about that too.

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Anonymous wrote:Williamsburg is too underenrolled for them to do nothing while several other middle schools sit there at I full capacity or over.

No other middle schools is over capacity.

People are free to transfer.

I'm sure you'd find that solution equally helpful if Gunston were the vastly under-enrolled school and Williamsburg at/above capacity.

At the elementary level, Drew has been underenrolled since Montessori moved out with no signs of that ever changing. APS is fine with letting a school be underenrolled if people aren't yelling about it.

Drew's population is precisely the demographic that SHOULD be in a small school. Nottingham is not.

Yep

Same with Williamsburg. Such a joke.

And voluntary transfers is not going to fill up Williamsburg.

The messaging that you should leave the rich kids under enrolled and it’s all good the rest of you are at capacity is so freaking typical N Arlington obnoxious.

With the governor pulling funds and the county needing to raise estate taxes just to get APS to break even, you’re welcome to start a gofundme to pay for the buses and drivers that APS would need to turn the existing walkers at Swanson and Hamm into bus riders.

Personally I’d rather APS focus on what’s absolutely necessary this year, which will be hard enough as it is.

Get real. The bus routes shift every year and they wouldn’t need to buy any new buses. But good scare tactic.

Hey I’ve got an idea maybe they should let the walkers walk to Cardinal and then we can use their buses! Oh wait we have to keep McKinley together and blah blah.

People trot out all their favorite arguments when it works for them. It’s the Rolodex of catch phrases of arguments that suit my purpose.

You aren’t paying attention. If you convert walkers into rider you absolutely need new buses not just new routes.

The transportation department has more flexibility than what you are portraying to deal with changes. These same buses take elementary, high school, and option school kids on their routes. Sure it might be a new bus or buses on the middle school run but doing this at the margins, which is what you’re talking about here, they sort it out. They also do things like add a couple stops to existing routes on buses that are less full. All 3 of my kids have been busers and their routes change year to year and the buses are not even that full typically.

You don’t understand. The proposal was to move 1/2 of Hamm, almost all walkers, to WMS.

A big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk. It's too far on streets without sidewalks. And many of the kids they were moving to Hamm would have been walkers too (e.g., most of Glebe).

Thanks for admitting your argument is made up entirely on your “serious doubts” instead of actual facts. And thanks for admitting you know nothing about Hamm or the neighborhood it’s in. Almost every street has sidewalks, and the kids walk!

I don't know who you think you're responding to, but I'm a np.

They were responding to your one speculation: “ big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk”. Just because you just posted for the first time doesn’t mean you weren’t making up stuff as you obviously were since you said there were no sidewalks.

Just because you post that all kids in the walk zone walk to Hamm doesn't make it true. As many have agreed, the MS walk zones are big and there are major roads to cross to get to Hamm.

Really, there's no need to be obnoxious. We all understand that you are just fighting to avoid being rezoned to Williamsburg.

What’s interesting is that the neighborhoods safe from rezoning are the ones south of Langston, who have to cross the biggest road in that entire area to get to Hamm.

It’s the same location/seat mismatch problem that led to the whole elementary switcheroo. HB Woodlawn is in the spot we actually need middle seats to be located, but that ship has sailed.

Curious take. There are very few MS students in Rosslyn; if Hamm was at the Heights Bldg, you would simply have been busing WAY more students than now (all Hamm walkers) and underutilizing the largest Middle School parcel (current Hamm campus). What exactly was your proposal?

The Heights walk zone includes all of Lyon Village, Courthouse and most of Clarendon as well as Rosslyn. There are a ton of middle school students there. Again, not happening, but the kids are there. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/57/2023/08/HSP_Heights_SY23_24.pdf

Ok but there are also a lot of kids around Hamm. That neighorhood make is very, very clear that they Simply.Would.Not.Stand.For busing their darlings to a tiny urban plot in scary Rosslyn (oh the horror!) So the irony is that HB and Shriver got shoved there, but now everyone complains about that too.

The tiny urban plot for 700 is workable, but the planned 1200 seat middle school it was ridiculous. It would have been a warehouse with nightmare traffic.

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Fine so live with the decision to put Hamm where it is, and HB where it is, and stop complaining.

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Anonymous wrote:Williamsburg is too underenrolled for them to do nothing while several other middle schools sit there at I full capacity or over.

No other middle schools is over capacity.

People are free to transfer.

I'm sure you'd find that solution equally helpful if Gunston were the vastly under-enrolled school and Williamsburg at/above capacity.

At the elementary level, Drew has been underenrolled since Montessori moved out with no signs of that ever changing. APS is fine with letting a school be underenrolled if people aren't yelling about it.

Drew's population is precisely the demographic that SHOULD be in a small school. Nottingham is not.

Yep

Same with Williamsburg. Such a joke.

And voluntary transfers is not going to fill up Williamsburg.

The messaging that you should leave the rich kids under enrolled and it’s all good the rest of you are at capacity is so freaking typical N Arlington obnoxious.

With the governor pulling funds and the county needing to raise estate taxes just to get APS to break even, you’re welcome to start a gofundme to pay for the buses and drivers that APS would need to turn the existing walkers at Swanson and Hamm into bus riders.

Personally I’d rather APS focus on what’s absolutely necessary this year, which will be hard enough as it is.

Get real. The bus routes shift every year and they wouldn’t need to buy any new buses. But good scare tactic.

Hey I’ve got an idea maybe they should let the walkers walk to Cardinal and then we can use their buses! Oh wait we have to keep McKinley together and blah blah.

People trot out all their favorite arguments when it works for them. It’s the Rolodex of catch phrases of arguments that suit my purpose.

You aren’t paying attention. If you convert walkers into rider you absolutely need new buses not just new routes.

The transportation department has more flexibility than what you are portraying to deal with changes. These same buses take elementary, high school, and option school kids on their routes. Sure it might be a new bus or buses on the middle school run but doing this at the margins, which is what you’re talking about here, they sort it out. They also do things like add a couple stops to existing routes on buses that are less full. All 3 of my kids have been busers and their routes change year to year and the buses are not even that full typically.

You don’t understand. The proposal was to move 1/2 of Hamm, almost all walkers, to WMS.

A big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk. It's too far on streets without sidewalks. And many of the kids they were moving to Hamm would have been walkers too (e.g., most of Glebe).

Thanks for admitting your argument is made up entirely on your “serious doubts” instead of actual facts. And thanks for admitting you know nothing about Hamm or the neighborhood it’s in. Almost every street has sidewalks, and the kids walk!

I don't know who you think you're responding to, but I'm a np.

They were responding to your one speculation: “ big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk”. Just because you just posted for the first time doesn’t mean you weren’t making up stuff as you obviously were since you said there were no sidewalks.

Just because you post that all kids in the walk zone walk to Hamm doesn't make it true. As many have agreed, the MS walk zones are big and there are major roads to cross to get to Hamm.

Really, there's no need to be obnoxious. We all understand that you are just fighting to avoid being rezoned to Williamsburg.

What’s interesting is that the neighborhoods safe from rezoning are the ones south of Langston, who have to cross the biggest road in that entire area to get to Hamm.

It’s the same location/seat mismatch problem that led to the whole elementary switcheroo. HB Woodlawn is in the spot we actually need middle seats to be located, but that ship has sailed.

Curious take. There are very few MS students in Rosslyn; if Hamm was at the Heights Bldg, you would simply have been busing WAY more students than now (all Hamm walkers) and underutilizing the largest Middle School parcel (current Hamm campus). What exactly was your proposal?

The Heights walk zone includes all of Lyon Village, Courthouse and most of Clarendon as well as Rosslyn. There are a ton of middle school students there. Again, not happening, but the kids are there. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/57/2023/08/HSP_Heights_SY23_24.pdf

Ok but there are also a lot of kids around Hamm. That neighorhood make is very, very clear that they Simply.Would.Not.Stand.For busing their darlings to a tiny urban plot in scary Rosslyn (oh the horror!) So the irony is that HB and Shriver got shoved there, but now everyone complains about that too.

The tiny urban plot for 700 is workable, but the planned 1200 seat middle school it was ridiculous. It would have been a warehouse with nightmare traffic.

Not really. They would have built up and the traffic could have been managed. I don't care that much but that it was a missed opportunity to put seats where we need them.

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The Stratford Site vs Wilson Site decision was made almost a decade ago. Don’t know why people are still bickering over the middle school location. We have two new excellent school facilities and one purpose built for HB Woodlawn and Shriver, with an innovative solution to maximising outdoor space.

The middle school boundaries will work out between Williamsburg and Swanson when APS develops the guts to do it.

I’m more concerned at present about middle schools like TJ that desperately need a top-down renovation or more likely a rebuild.