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Anonymous wrote:Tons of kids bike. Beyond the walk zone.

In the dark? In the winter? With band instruments and sports gear?

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Anonymous wrote:Tons of kids bike. Beyond the walk zone.

In the dark? In the winter? With band instruments and sports gear?

If this is your argument, you must be against walk zones altogether. Go lobby the board for universal busing.

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Anonymous wrote:Williamsburg is too underenrolled for them to do nothing while several other middle schools sit there at I full capacity or over.

No other middle schools is over capacity.

People are free to transfer.

I'm sure you'd find that solution equally helpful if Gunston were the vastly under-enrolled school and Williamsburg at/above capacity.

At the elementary level, Drew has been underenrolled since Montessori moved out with no signs of that ever changing. APS is fine with letting a school be underenrolled if people aren't yelling about it.

Drew's population is precisely the demographic that SHOULD be in a small school. Nottingham is not.

Yep

Same with Williamsburg. Such a joke.

And voluntary transfers is not going to fill up Williamsburg.

The messaging that you should leave the rich kids under enrolled and it’s all good the rest of you are at capacity is so freaking typical N Arlington obnoxious.

With the governor pulling funds and the county needing to raise estate taxes just to get APS to break even, you’re welcome to start a gofundme to pay for the buses and drivers that APS would need to turn the existing walkers at Swanson and Hamm into bus riders.

Personally I’d rather APS focus on what’s absolutely necessary this year, which will be hard enough as it is.

Get real. The bus routes shift every year and they wouldn’t need to buy any new buses. But good scare tactic.

Hey I’ve got an idea maybe they should let the walkers walk to Cardinal and then we can use their buses! Oh wait we have to keep McKinley together and blah blah.

People trot out all their favorite arguments when it works for them. It’s the Rolodex of catch phrases of arguments that suit my purpose.

You aren’t paying attention. If you convert walkers into rider you absolutely need new buses not just new routes.

The transportation department has more flexibility than what you are portraying to deal with changes. These same buses take elementary, high school, and option school kids on their routes. Sure it might be a new bus or buses on the middle school run but doing this at the margins, which is what you’re talking about here, they sort it out. They also do things like add a couple stops to existing routes on buses that are less full. All 3 of my kids have been busers and their routes change year to year and the buses are not even that full typically.

You don’t understand. The proposal was to move 1/2 of Hamm, almost all walkers, to WMS.

A big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk. It's too far on streets without sidewalks. And many of the kids they were moving to Hamm would have been walkers too (e.g., most of Glebe).

Thanks for admitting your argument is made up entirely on your “serious doubts” instead of actual facts. And thanks for admitting you know nothing about Hamm or the neighborhood it’s in. Almost every street has sidewalks, and the kids walk!

I don't know who you think you're responding to, but I'm a np.

They were responding to your one speculation: “ big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk”. Just because you just posted for the first time doesn’t mean you weren’t making up stuff as you obviously were since you said there were no sidewalks.

Just because you post that all kids in the walk zone walk to Hamm doesn't make it true. As many have agreed, the MS walk zones are big and there are major roads to cross to get to Hamm.

Really, there's no need to be obnoxious. We all understand that you are just fighting to avoid being rezoned to Williamsburg.

What’s interesting is that the neighborhoods safe from rezoning are the ones south of Langston, who have to cross the biggest road in that entire area to get to Hamm.

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Anonymous wrote:Williamsburg is too underenrolled for them to do nothing while several other middle schools sit there at I full capacity or over.

No other middle schools is over capacity.

People are free to transfer.

I'm sure you'd find that solution equally helpful if Gunston were the vastly under-enrolled school and Williamsburg at/above capacity.

At the elementary level, Drew has been underenrolled since Montessori moved out with no signs of that ever changing. APS is fine with letting a school be underenrolled if people aren't yelling about it.

Drew's population is precisely the demographic that SHOULD be in a small school. Nottingham is not.

Yep

Same with Williamsburg. Such a joke.

And voluntary transfers is not going to fill up Williamsburg.

The messaging that you should leave the rich kids under enrolled and it’s all good the rest of you are at capacity is so freaking typical N Arlington obnoxious.

With the governor pulling funds and the county needing to raise estate taxes just to get APS to break even, you’re welcome to start a gofundme to pay for the buses and drivers that APS would need to turn the existing walkers at Swanson and Hamm into bus riders.

Personally I’d rather APS focus on what’s absolutely necessary this year, which will be hard enough as it is.

Get real. The bus routes shift every year and they wouldn’t need to buy any new buses. But good scare tactic.

Hey I’ve got an idea maybe they should let the walkers walk to Cardinal and then we can use their buses! Oh wait we have to keep McKinley together and blah blah.

People trot out all their favorite arguments when it works for them. It’s the Rolodex of catch phrases of arguments that suit my purpose.

You aren’t paying attention. If you convert walkers into rider you absolutely need new buses not just new routes.

The transportation department has more flexibility than what you are portraying to deal with changes. These same buses take elementary, high school, and option school kids on their routes. Sure it might be a new bus or buses on the middle school run but doing this at the margins, which is what you’re talking about here, they sort it out. They also do things like add a couple stops to existing routes on buses that are less full. All 3 of my kids have been busers and their routes change year to year and the buses are not even that full typically.

You don’t understand. The proposal was to move 1/2 of Hamm, almost all walkers, to WMS.

A big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk. It's too far on streets without sidewalks. And many of the kids they were moving to Hamm would have been walkers too (e.g., most of Glebe).

Thanks for admitting your argument is made up entirely on your “serious doubts” instead of actual facts. And thanks for admitting you know nothing about Hamm or the neighborhood it’s in. Almost every street has sidewalks, and the kids walk!

I don't know who you think you're responding to, but I'm a np.

They were responding to your one speculation: “ big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk”. Just because you just posted for the first time doesn’t mean you weren’t making up stuff as you obviously were since you said there were no sidewalks.

Just because you post that all kids in the walk zone walk to Hamm doesn't make it true. As many have agreed, the MS walk zones are big and there are major roads to cross to get to Hamm.

Really, there's no need to be obnoxious. We all understand that you are just fighting to avoid being rezoned to Williamsburg.

What’s interesting is that the neighborhoods safe from rezoning are the ones south of Langston, who have to cross the biggest road in that entire area to get to Hamm.

It’s the same location/seat mismatch problem that led to the whole elementary switcheroo. HB Woodlawn is in the spot we actually need middle seats to be located, but that ship has sailed.

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Anonymous wrote:Williamsburg is too underenrolled for them to do nothing while several other middle schools sit there at I full capacity or over.

No other middle schools is over capacity.

People are free to transfer.

I'm sure you'd find that solution equally helpful if Gunston were the vastly under-enrolled school and Williamsburg at/above capacity.

At the elementary level, Drew has been underenrolled since Montessori moved out with no signs of that ever changing. APS is fine with letting a school be underenrolled if people aren't yelling about it.

Drew's population is precisely the demographic that SHOULD be in a small school. Nottingham is not.

Yep

Same with Williamsburg. Such a joke.

And voluntary transfers is not going to fill up Williamsburg.

The messaging that you should leave the rich kids under enrolled and it’s all good the rest of you are at capacity is so freaking typical N Arlington obnoxious.

With the governor pulling funds and the county needing to raise estate taxes just to get APS to break even, you’re welcome to start a gofundme to pay for the buses and drivers that APS would need to turn the existing walkers at Swanson and Hamm into bus riders.

Personally I’d rather APS focus on what’s absolutely necessary this year, which will be hard enough as it is.

Get real. The bus routes shift every year and they wouldn’t need to buy any new buses. But good scare tactic.

Hey I’ve got an idea maybe they should let the walkers walk to Cardinal and then we can use their buses! Oh wait we have to keep McKinley together and blah blah.

People trot out all their favorite arguments when it works for them. It’s the Rolodex of catch phrases of arguments that suit my purpose.

You aren’t paying attention. If you convert walkers into rider you absolutely need new buses not just new routes.

The transportation department has more flexibility than what you are portraying to deal with changes. These same buses take elementary, high school, and option school kids on their routes. Sure it might be a new bus or buses on the middle school run but doing this at the margins, which is what you’re talking about here, they sort it out. They also do things like add a couple stops to existing routes on buses that are less full. All 3 of my kids have been busers and their routes change year to year and the buses are not even that full typically.

You don’t understand. The proposal was to move 1/2 of Hamm, almost all walkers, to WMS.

A big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk. It's too far on streets without sidewalks. And many of the kids they were moving to Hamm would have been walkers too (e.g., most of Glebe).

Thanks for admitting your argument is made up entirely on your “serious doubts” instead of actual facts. And thanks for admitting you know nothing about Hamm or the neighborhood it’s in. Almost every street has sidewalks, and the kids walk!

I don't know who you think you're responding to, but I'm a np.

They were responding to your one speculation: “ big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk”. Just because you just posted for the first time doesn’t mean you weren’t making up stuff as you obviously were since you said there were no sidewalks.

Just because you post that all kids in the walk zone walk to Hamm doesn't make it true. As many have agreed, the MS walk zones are big and there are major roads to cross to get to Hamm.

Really, there's no need to be obnoxious. We all understand that you are just fighting to avoid being rezoned to Williamsburg.

What’s interesting is that the neighborhoods safe from rezoning are the ones south of Langston, who have to cross the biggest road in that entire area to get to Hamm.

It’s the same location/seat mismatch problem that led to the whole elementary switcheroo. HB Woodlawn is in the spot we actually need middle seats to be located, but that ship has sailed.

Simply making HB bigger would have been all that’s required.

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Anonymous wrote:Williamsburg is too underenrolled for them to do nothing while several other middle schools sit there at I full capacity or over.

No other middle schools is over capacity.

People are free to transfer.

I'm sure you'd find that solution equally helpful if Gunston were the vastly under-enrolled school and Williamsburg at/above capacity.

At the elementary level, Drew has been underenrolled since Montessori moved out with no signs of that ever changing. APS is fine with letting a school be underenrolled if people aren't yelling about it.

Drew's population is precisely the demographic that SHOULD be in a small school. Nottingham is not.

Yep

Same with Williamsburg. Such a joke.

And voluntary transfers is not going to fill up Williamsburg.

The messaging that you should leave the rich kids under enrolled and it’s all good the rest of you are at capacity is so freaking typical N Arlington obnoxious.

With the governor pulling funds and the county needing to raise estate taxes just to get APS to break even, you’re welcome to start a gofundme to pay for the buses and drivers that APS would need to turn the existing walkers at Swanson and Hamm into bus riders.

Personally I’d rather APS focus on what’s absolutely necessary this year, which will be hard enough as it is.

Get real. The bus routes shift every year and they wouldn’t need to buy any new buses. But good scare tactic.

Hey I’ve got an idea maybe they should let the walkers walk to Cardinal and then we can use their buses! Oh wait we have to keep McKinley together and blah blah.

People trot out all their favorite arguments when it works for them. It’s the Rolodex of catch phrases of arguments that suit my purpose.

You aren’t paying attention. If you convert walkers into rider you absolutely need new buses not just new routes.

The transportation department has more flexibility than what you are portraying to deal with changes. These same buses take elementary, high school, and option school kids on their routes. Sure it might be a new bus or buses on the middle school run but doing this at the margins, which is what you’re talking about here, they sort it out. They also do things like add a couple stops to existing routes on buses that are less full. All 3 of my kids have been busers and their routes change year to year and the buses are not even that full typically.

You don’t understand. The proposal was to move 1/2 of Hamm, almost all walkers, to WMS.

A big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk. It's too far on streets without sidewalks. And many of the kids they were moving to Hamm would have been walkers too (e.g., most of Glebe).

Thanks for admitting your argument is made up entirely on your “serious doubts” instead of actual facts. And thanks for admitting you know nothing about Hamm or the neighborhood it’s in. Almost every street has sidewalks, and the kids walk!

I don't know who you think you're responding to, but I'm a np.

They were responding to your one speculation: “ big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk”. Just because you just posted for the first time doesn’t mean you weren’t making up stuff as you obviously were since you said there were no sidewalks.

Just because you post that all kids in the walk zone walk to Hamm doesn't make it true. As many have agreed, the MS walk zones are big and there are major roads to cross to get to Hamm.

Really, there's no need to be obnoxious. We all understand that you are just fighting to avoid being rezoned to Williamsburg.

What’s interesting is that the neighborhoods safe from rezoning are the ones south of Langston, who have to cross the biggest road in that entire area to get to Hamm.

It’s the same location/seat mismatch problem that led to the whole elementary switcheroo. HB Woodlawn is in the spot we actually need middle seats to be located, but that ship has sailed.

Curious take. There are very few MS students in Rosslyn; if Hamm was at the Heights Bldg, you would simply have been busing WAY more students than now (all Hamm walkers) and underutilizing the largest Middle School parcel (current Hamm campus). What exactly was your proposal?

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Anonymous wrote:Williamsburg is too underenrolled for them to do nothing while several other middle schools sit there at I full capacity or over.

No other middle schools is over capacity.

People are free to transfer.

I'm sure you'd find that solution equally helpful if Gunston were the vastly under-enrolled school and Williamsburg at/above capacity.

At the elementary level, Drew has been underenrolled since Montessori moved out with no signs of that ever changing. APS is fine with letting a school be underenrolled if people aren't yelling about it.

Drew's population is precisely the demographic that SHOULD be in a small school. Nottingham is not.

Yep

Same with Williamsburg. Such a joke.

And voluntary transfers is not going to fill up Williamsburg.

The messaging that you should leave the rich kids under enrolled and it’s all good the rest of you are at capacity is so freaking typical N Arlington obnoxious.

With the governor pulling funds and the county needing to raise estate taxes just to get APS to break even, you’re welcome to start a gofundme to pay for the buses and drivers that APS would need to turn the existing walkers at Swanson and Hamm into bus riders.

Personally I’d rather APS focus on what’s absolutely necessary this year, which will be hard enough as it is.

Get real. The bus routes shift every year and they wouldn’t need to buy any new buses. But good scare tactic.

Hey I’ve got an idea maybe they should let the walkers walk to Cardinal and then we can use their buses! Oh wait we have to keep McKinley together and blah blah.

People trot out all their favorite arguments when it works for them. It’s the Rolodex of catch phrases of arguments that suit my purpose.

You aren’t paying attention. If you convert walkers into rider you absolutely need new buses not just new routes.

The transportation department has more flexibility than what you are portraying to deal with changes. These same buses take elementary, high school, and option school kids on their routes. Sure it might be a new bus or buses on the middle school run but doing this at the margins, which is what you’re talking about here, they sort it out. They also do things like add a couple stops to existing routes on buses that are less full. All 3 of my kids have been busers and their routes change year to year and the buses are not even that full typically.

You don’t understand. The proposal was to move 1/2 of Hamm, almost all walkers, to WMS.

A big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk. It's too far on streets without sidewalks. And many of the kids they were moving to Hamm would have been walkers too (e.g., most of Glebe).

Thanks for admitting your argument is made up entirely on your “serious doubts” instead of actual facts. And thanks for admitting you know nothing about Hamm or the neighborhood it’s in. Almost every street has sidewalks, and the kids walk!

I don't know who you think you're responding to, but I'm a np.

They were responding to your one speculation: “ big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk”. Just because you just posted for the first time doesn’t mean you weren’t making up stuff as you obviously were since you said there were no sidewalks.

Just because you post that all kids in the walk zone walk to Hamm doesn't make it true. As many have agreed, the MS walk zones are big and there are major roads to cross to get to Hamm.

Really, there's no need to be obnoxious. We all understand that you are just fighting to avoid being rezoned to Williamsburg.

What’s interesting is that the neighborhoods safe from rezoning are the ones south of Langston, who have to cross the biggest road in that entire area to get to Hamm.

It’s the same location/seat mismatch problem that led to the whole elementary switcheroo. HB Woodlawn is in the spot we actually need middle seats to be located, but that ship has sailed.

Simply making HB bigger would have been all that’s required.

There’s really no problem. DHMS will be fine going forward in terms of capacity. Some Swanson neighborhoods should move to underenrolled Williamsburg. And to fix alignment some Kenmore neighborhoods can move to Swanson. It can all balance out just fine. And the schools are all ideally located for walkability.

It’s up to APS to do boundaries, if they feel like doing them. If they don’t or if they put that off, then the status quo is probably okay for now, and they can revisit in a couple years. APS flubbed the boundaries a few years ago which is why there’s an imbalance and also alignment problems.

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Anonymous wrote:Williamsburg is too underenrolled for them to do nothing while several other middle schools sit there at I full capacity or over.

No other middle schools is over capacity.

People are free to transfer.

I'm sure you'd find that solution equally helpful if Gunston were the vastly under-enrolled school and Williamsburg at/above capacity.

At the elementary level, Drew has been underenrolled since Montessori moved out with no signs of that ever changing. APS is fine with letting a school be underenrolled if people aren't yelling about it.

Drew's population is precisely the demographic that SHOULD be in a small school. Nottingham is not.

Yep

Same with Williamsburg. Such a joke.

And voluntary transfers is not going to fill up Williamsburg.

The messaging that you should leave the rich kids under enrolled and it’s all good the rest of you are at capacity is so freaking typical N Arlington obnoxious.

With the governor pulling funds and the county needing to raise estate taxes just to get APS to break even, you’re welcome to start a gofundme to pay for the buses and drivers that APS would need to turn the existing walkers at Swanson and Hamm into bus riders.

Personally I’d rather APS focus on what’s absolutely necessary this year, which will be hard enough as it is.

Get real. The bus routes shift every year and they wouldn’t need to buy any new buses. But good scare tactic.

Hey I’ve got an idea maybe they should let the walkers walk to Cardinal and then we can use their buses! Oh wait we have to keep McKinley together and blah blah.

People trot out all their favorite arguments when it works for them. It’s the Rolodex of catch phrases of arguments that suit my purpose.

You aren’t paying attention. If you convert walkers into rider you absolutely need new buses not just new routes.

The transportation department has more flexibility than what you are portraying to deal with changes. These same buses take elementary, high school, and option school kids on their routes. Sure it might be a new bus or buses on the middle school run but doing this at the margins, which is what you’re talking about here, they sort it out. They also do things like add a couple stops to existing routes on buses that are less full. All 3 of my kids have been busers and their routes change year to year and the buses are not even that full typically.

You don’t understand. The proposal was to move 1/2 of Hamm, almost all walkers, to WMS.

A big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk. It's too far on streets without sidewalks. And many of the kids they were moving to Hamm would have been walkers too (e.g., most of Glebe).

Thanks for admitting your argument is made up entirely on your “serious doubts” instead of actual facts. And thanks for admitting you know nothing about Hamm or the neighborhood it’s in. Almost every street has sidewalks, and the kids walk!

I don't know who you think you're responding to, but I'm a np.

They were responding to your one speculation: “ big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk”. Just because you just posted for the first time doesn’t mean you weren’t making up stuff as you obviously were since you said there were no sidewalks.

Just because you post that all kids in the walk zone walk to Hamm doesn't make it true. As many have agreed, the MS walk zones are big and there are major roads to cross to get to Hamm.

Really, there's no need to be obnoxious. We all understand that you are just fighting to avoid being rezoned to Williamsburg.

What’s interesting is that the neighborhoods safe from rezoning are the ones south of Langston, who have to cross the biggest road in that entire area to get to Hamm.

It’s the same location/seat mismatch problem that led to the whole elementary switcheroo. HB Woodlawn is in the spot we actually need middle seats to be located, but that ship has sailed.

Curious take. There are very few MS students in Rosslyn; if Hamm was at the Heights Bldg, you would simply have been busing WAY more students than now (all Hamm walkers) and underutilizing the largest Middle School parcel (current Hamm campus). What exactly was your proposal?

The Heights walk zone includes all of Lyon Village, Courthouse and most of Clarendon as well as Rosslyn. There are a ton of middle school students there. Again, not happening, but the kids are there. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/57/2023/08/HSP_Heights_SY23_24.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Williamsburg is too underenrolled for them to do nothing while several other middle schools sit there at I full capacity or over.

No other middle schools is over capacity.

People are free to transfer.

I'm sure you'd find that solution equally helpful if Gunston were the vastly under-enrolled school and Williamsburg at/above capacity.

At the elementary level, Drew has been underenrolled since Montessori moved out with no signs of that ever changing. APS is fine with letting a school be underenrolled if people aren't yelling about it.

Drew's population is precisely the demographic that SHOULD be in a small school. Nottingham is not.

Yep

Same with Williamsburg. Such a joke.

And voluntary transfers is not going to fill up Williamsburg.

The messaging that you should leave the rich kids under enrolled and it’s all good the rest of you are at capacity is so freaking typical N Arlington obnoxious.

With the governor pulling funds and the county needing to raise estate taxes just to get APS to break even, you’re welcome to start a gofundme to pay for the buses and drivers that APS would need to turn the existing walkers at Swanson and Hamm into bus riders.

Personally I’d rather APS focus on what’s absolutely necessary this year, which will be hard enough as it is.

Get real. The bus routes shift every year and they wouldn’t need to buy any new buses. But good scare tactic.

Hey I’ve got an idea maybe they should let the walkers walk to Cardinal and then we can use their buses! Oh wait we have to keep McKinley together and blah blah.

People trot out all their favorite arguments when it works for them. It’s the Rolodex of catch phrases of arguments that suit my purpose.

You aren’t paying attention. If you convert walkers into rider you absolutely need new buses not just new routes.

The transportation department has more flexibility than what you are portraying to deal with changes. These same buses take elementary, high school, and option school kids on their routes. Sure it might be a new bus or buses on the middle school run but doing this at the margins, which is what you’re talking about here, they sort it out. They also do things like add a couple stops to existing routes on buses that are less full. All 3 of my kids have been busers and their routes change year to year and the buses are not even that full typically.

You don’t understand. The proposal was to move 1/2 of Hamm, almost all walkers, to WMS.

A big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk. It's too far on streets without sidewalks. And many of the kids they were moving to Hamm would have been walkers too (e.g., most of Glebe).

Thanks for admitting your argument is made up entirely on your “serious doubts” instead of actual facts. And thanks for admitting you know nothing about Hamm or the neighborhood it’s in. Almost every street has sidewalks, and the kids walk!

I don't know who you think you're responding to, but I'm a np.

They were responding to your one speculation: “ big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk”. Just because you just posted for the first time doesn’t mean you weren’t making up stuff as you obviously were since you said there were no sidewalks.

Just because you post that all kids in the walk zone walk to Hamm doesn't make it true. As many have agreed, the MS walk zones are big and there are major roads to cross to get to Hamm.

Really, there's no need to be obnoxious. We all understand that you are just fighting to avoid being rezoned to Williamsburg.

What’s interesting is that the neighborhoods safe from rezoning are the ones south of Langston, who have to cross the biggest road in that entire area to get to Hamm.

It’s the same location/seat mismatch problem that led to the whole elementary switcheroo. HB Woodlawn is in the spot we actually need middle seats to be located, but that ship has sailed.

Curious take. There are very few MS students in Rosslyn; if Hamm was at the Heights Bldg, you would simply have been busing WAY more students than now (all Hamm walkers) and underutilizing the largest Middle School parcel (current Hamm campus). What exactly was your proposal?

The Heights walk zone includes all of Lyon Village, Courthouse and most of Clarendon as well as Rosslyn. There are a ton of middle school students there. Again, not happening, but the kids are there. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/57/2023/08/HSP_Heights_SY23_24.pdf

1/2 kids in Lyon Village go private in middle school.

Courthouse and Clarendon are mostly apartments and very few middle school families.

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Anonymous wrote:Williamsburg is too underenrolled for them to do nothing while several other middle schools sit there at I full capacity or over.

No other middle schools is over capacity.

People are free to transfer.

I'm sure you'd find that solution equally helpful if Gunston were the vastly under-enrolled school and Williamsburg at/above capacity.

At the elementary level, Drew has been underenrolled since Montessori moved out with no signs of that ever changing. APS is fine with letting a school be underenrolled if people aren't yelling about it.

Drew's population is precisely the demographic that SHOULD be in a small school. Nottingham is not.

Yep

Same with Williamsburg. Such a joke.

And voluntary transfers is not going to fill up Williamsburg.

The messaging that you should leave the rich kids under enrolled and it’s all good the rest of you are at capacity is so freaking typical N Arlington obnoxious.

With the governor pulling funds and the county needing to raise estate taxes just to get APS to break even, you’re welcome to start a gofundme to pay for the buses and drivers that APS would need to turn the existing walkers at Swanson and Hamm into bus riders.

Personally I’d rather APS focus on what’s absolutely necessary this year, which will be hard enough as it is.

Get real. The bus routes shift every year and they wouldn’t need to buy any new buses. But good scare tactic.

Hey I’ve got an idea maybe they should let the walkers walk to Cardinal and then we can use their buses! Oh wait we have to keep McKinley together and blah blah.

People trot out all their favorite arguments when it works for them. It’s the Rolodex of catch phrases of arguments that suit my purpose.

You aren’t paying attention. If you convert walkers into rider you absolutely need new buses not just new routes.

The transportation department has more flexibility than what you are portraying to deal with changes. These same buses take elementary, high school, and option school kids on their routes. Sure it might be a new bus or buses on the middle school run but doing this at the margins, which is what you’re talking about here, they sort it out. They also do things like add a couple stops to existing routes on buses that are less full. All 3 of my kids have been busers and their routes change year to year and the buses are not even that full typically.

You don’t understand. The proposal was to move 1/2 of Hamm, almost all walkers, to WMS.

A big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk. It's too far on streets without sidewalks. And many of the kids they were moving to Hamm would have been walkers too (e.g., most of Glebe).

Thanks for admitting your argument is made up entirely on your “serious doubts” instead of actual facts. And thanks for admitting you know nothing about Hamm or the neighborhood it’s in. Almost every street has sidewalks, and the kids walk!

I don't know who you think you're responding to, but I'm a np.

They were responding to your one speculation: “ big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk”. Just because you just posted for the first time doesn’t mean you weren’t making up stuff as you obviously were since you said there were no sidewalks.

Just because you post that all kids in the walk zone walk to Hamm doesn't make it true. As many have agreed, the MS walk zones are big and there are major roads to cross to get to Hamm.

Really, there's no need to be obnoxious. We all understand that you are just fighting to avoid being rezoned to Williamsburg.

What’s interesting is that the neighborhoods safe from rezoning are the ones south of Langston, who have to cross the biggest road in that entire area to get to Hamm.

It’s the same location/seat mismatch problem that led to the whole elementary switcheroo. HB Woodlawn is in the spot we actually need middle seats to be located, but that ship has sailed.

Curious take. There are very few MS students in Rosslyn; if Hamm was at the Heights Bldg, you would simply have been busing WAY more students than now (all Hamm walkers) and underutilizing the largest Middle School parcel (current Hamm campus). What exactly was your proposal?

The Heights walk zone includes all of Lyon Village, Courthouse and most of Clarendon as well as Rosslyn. There are a ton of middle school students there. Again, not happening, but the kids are there. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/57/2023/08/HSP_Heights_SY23_24.pdf

1/2 kids in Lyon Village go private in middle school.

Courthouse and Clarendon are mostly apartments and very few middle school families.

Go here: https://www.apsva.us/engage/2023-ms-boundaries/
Download the Excel file for the Planning Unit Data Review Table
Highlight the data and click Add Filters
Filter for ASFS and Innovation and then scroll over to the column for students currently attending their in-zone middle school.

It's 417, that's roughly the number of middle schoolers in the R-B corridor as of 9/30/22. Surprise! There are middle school students in apartments, townhouses, and CAFs!

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Anonymous wrote:Williamsburg is too underenrolled for them to do nothing while several other middle schools sit there at I full capacity or over.

No other middle schools is over capacity.

People are free to transfer.

I'm sure you'd find that solution equally helpful if Gunston were the vastly under-enrolled school and Williamsburg at/above capacity.

At the elementary level, Drew has been underenrolled since Montessori moved out with no signs of that ever changing. APS is fine with letting a school be underenrolled if people aren't yelling about it.

Drew's population is precisely the demographic that SHOULD be in a small school. Nottingham is not.

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Same with Williamsburg. Such a joke.

And voluntary transfers is not going to fill up Williamsburg.

The messaging that you should leave the rich kids under enrolled and it’s all good the rest of you are at capacity is so freaking typical N Arlington obnoxious.

With the governor pulling funds and the county needing to raise estate taxes just to get APS to break even, you’re welcome to start a gofundme to pay for the buses and drivers that APS would need to turn the existing walkers at Swanson and Hamm into bus riders.

Personally I’d rather APS focus on what’s absolutely necessary this year, which will be hard enough as it is.

Get real. The bus routes shift every year and they wouldn’t need to buy any new buses. But good scare tactic.

Hey I’ve got an idea maybe they should let the walkers walk to Cardinal and then we can use their buses! Oh wait we have to keep McKinley together and blah blah.

People trot out all their favorite arguments when it works for them. It’s the Rolodex of catch phrases of arguments that suit my purpose.

You aren’t paying attention. If you convert walkers into rider you absolutely need new buses not just new routes.

The transportation department has more flexibility than what you are portraying to deal with changes. These same buses take elementary, high school, and option school kids on their routes. Sure it might be a new bus or buses on the middle school run but doing this at the margins, which is what you’re talking about here, they sort it out. They also do things like add a couple stops to existing routes on buses that are less full. All 3 of my kids have been busers and their routes change year to year and the buses are not even that full typically.

You don’t understand. The proposal was to move 1/2 of Hamm, almost all walkers, to WMS.

A big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk. It's too far on streets without sidewalks. And many of the kids they were moving to Hamm would have been walkers too (e.g., most of Glebe).

Thanks for admitting your argument is made up entirely on your “serious doubts” instead of actual facts. And thanks for admitting you know nothing about Hamm or the neighborhood it’s in. Almost every street has sidewalks, and the kids walk!

I don't know who you think you're responding to, but I'm a np.

They were responding to your one speculation: “ big chunk of those kids were technically in the walk zone, but I have serious doubts that many of those kids walk”. Just because you just posted for the first time doesn’t mean you weren’t making up stuff as you obviously were since you said there were no sidewalks.

Just because you post that all kids in the walk zone walk to Hamm doesn't make it true. As many have agreed, the MS walk zones are big and there are major roads to cross to get to Hamm.

Really, there's no need to be obnoxious. We all understand that you are just fighting to avoid being rezoned to Williamsburg.

What’s interesting is that the neighborhoods safe from rezoning are the ones south of Langston, who have to cross the biggest road in that entire area to get to Hamm.

It’s the same location/seat mismatch problem that led to the whole elementary switcheroo. HB Woodlawn is in the spot we actually need middle seats to be located, but that ship has sailed.

Curious take. There are very few MS students in Rosslyn; if Hamm was at the Heights Bldg, you would simply have been busing WAY more students than now (all Hamm walkers) and underutilizing the largest Middle School parcel (current Hamm campus). What exactly was your proposal?

The Heights walk zone includes all of Lyon Village, Courthouse and most of Clarendon as well as Rosslyn. There are a ton of middle school students there. Again, not happening, but the kids are there. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/57/2023/08/HSP_Heights_SY23_24.pdf

1/2 kids in Lyon Village go private in middle school.

Courthouse and Clarendon are mostly apartments and very few middle school families.

Go here: https://www.apsva.us/engage/2023-ms-boundaries/
Download the Excel file for the Planning Unit Data Review Table
Highlight the data and click Add Filters
Filter for ASFS and Innovation and then scroll over to the column for students currently attending their in-zone middle school.

It's 417, that's roughly the number of middle schoolers in the R-B corridor as of 9/30/22. Surprise! There are middle school students in apartments, townhouses, and CAFs!

Most of ASFS is Cherrydale and Maywood, which is in DHMS walkzone. Nice try though.

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Who cares. DHMS will always serve those neighborhoods (Maywood, Cherrydale) and most families are sticking around for middle school. I do hope families will continue to support the public schools in Lyon Village past 5th grade however—they are zoned to a beautiful and well-liked middle school.

A decade ago close to 2/3 of families in LV, if not higher, joined the Taylor, ASFS, and Key school communities, followed by Swanson (or Gunston for immersion) and then W-L/Yorktown/Wakefield for high school. There was no huge 6th or 9th grade exodus to St. Albans, Potomac, Holton Arms, Deerfield, NMH, Andover, etc, back then.

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I live in LV and don’t see the big middle school exodus that you describe.

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We saw it big time in 2019. Are your kids in DHMS or HB?

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently Hamm was only accepting 24 transfers this year and there were 70 applicants. Hopefully this shows that it would be possible to fill schools with voluntary transfers.

Hamm isn't the school they need to fill! Williamsburg is.

Did Williamsburg also fill up their transfer quota?

Would be interesting to know. Williamsburg is seriously under enrolled.

At a minimum the School Board should move the straggling Tuckahoe and Nottingham planning units to Williamsburg just to alleviate Swanson, which is too full and on track to get more full. The Williamsburg issue is just going to keep getting worse if they don't do anything.

I think Williamsburg only had 10 seats for 6th-grade neighborhood transfers, and there were 50+ on the waitlist. If WMS is so under enrolled, why weren't there more transfer seats available?

Apparently the number of transfer seats is up to the principal, so based on the desires of Williamsburg, not the needs of APS.

I don’t think this is true. APS dictates transfers.