Mclean exodus

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Anonymous wrote:This thread got really good when it turned into purists calling out rich people problems

Rich people problems? The person said they don't have money for college and are hoping they can get some assistance through athletics in addition to educational scholarships. There's not much money for soccer, that's the reality. Unless your kid is making moves onto the USYNT or smart enough to where it's not even the athletic portion that's covering tuition, relying on a small percentage from athletics isn't the play. Likely this person will receive less than what they spent the entire time during club soccer in scholarships directly associated to soccer.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is wanting to leave McLean. Current families know the track record of college recruitment. There's the devil you know...

Very true. But that is all changing now with the merger. You can't be sure what will stay the same or not right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would players leave? Serious question. Is it practicing on BRAVE fields is too far? Is it increased roster size? Seems like partnering with BRAVE would make the teams stronger (even if only by a little), so I'm not sure why top players would be leaving.

Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

The truth is this, if VYS or BRAVE new what they were doing this merger wouldn't be necessary. ECNL boys is generally a league over reach and a disaster across the board so this is about the girls side primarily. McLean has been a founding member of ECNL and has had an excellent track record of success. ECNL over saturated Fairfax in reaction to Girls DA years ago and now league is pruning back.

BRAVE/BRYC have not proven themselves at this level and that lack of on field success as well as college placement success does not warrant them a 2/3 vote in an area they have relatively little experience and success.

While McLean results have not been what they've been in the past their college placement has not fallen off, because they are known, trusted and respected by colleges.

So, no VYS is in over its head and really should put their ego aside and just shut up and listen to McLean.

If McLean wants to learn how to win a U16 State Cup or get two kids on ODP then I'm sure they'll be all ears.

Their 2/3 vote is warranted because ECNL said so.

McLean has been in a tailspin and is desperately in need of fresh methods and ideas. BRYC and VYS can provide this.

Why is VYS in over its head here? Sounds like more of that McLean arrogance.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would players leave? Serious question. Is it practicing on BRAVE fields is too far? Is it increased roster size? Seems like partnering with BRAVE would make the teams stronger (even if only by a little), so I'm not sure why top players would be leaving.

Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

It's not a fantasy league. Please care about kids. You are all in over your heads.


Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

The truth is this, if VYS or BRAVE new what they were doing this merger wouldn't be necessary. ECNL boys is generally a league over reach and a disaster across the board so this is about the girls side primarily. McLean has been a founding member of ECNL and has had an excellent track record of success. ECNL over saturated Fairfax in reaction to Girls DA years ago and now league is pruning back.

BRAVE/BRYC have not proven themselves at this level and that lack of on field success as well as college placement success does not warrant them a 2/3 vote in an area they have relatively little experience and success.

While McLean results have not been what they've been in the past their college placement has not fallen off, because they are known, trusted and respected by colleges.

So, no VYS is in over its head and really should put their ego aside and just shut up and listen to McLean.

If McLean wants to learn how to win a U16 State Cup or get two kids on ODP then I'm sure they'll be all ears.

Their 2/3 vote is warranted because ECNL said so.

McLean has been in a tailspin and is desperately in need of fresh methods and ideas. BRYC and VYS can provide this.

Why is VYS in over its head here? Sounds like more of that McLean arrogance.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would players leave? Serious question. Is it practicing on BRAVE fields is too far? Is it increased roster size? Seems like partnering with BRAVE would make the teams stronger (even if only by a little), so I'm not sure why top players would be leaving.

Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

The truth is this, if VYS or BRAVE new what they were doing this merger wouldn't be necessary. ECNL boys is generally a league over reach and a disaster across the board so this is about the girls side primarily. McLean has been a founding member of ECNL and has had an excellent track record of success. ECNL over saturated Fairfax in reaction to Girls DA years ago and now league is pruning back.

BRAVE/BRYC have not proven themselves at this level and that lack of on field success as well as college placement success does not warrant them a 2/3 vote in an area they have relatively little experience and success.

While McLean results have not been what they've been in the past their college placement has not fallen off, because they are known, trusted and respected by colleges.

So, no VYS is in over its head and really should put their ego aside and just shut up and listen to McLean.

If McLean wants to learn how to win a U16 State Cup or get two kids on ODP then I'm sure they'll be all ears.

Which club (s) will be feeding the players for the future teams? Or which club is performing better in their u12s, and ulittle recreational programs? McLean’s market has changed the club needs to have a plan or vision for years to come.

Forecasting the future and competition

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Anonymous wrote:Why would players leave? Serious question. Is it practicing on BRAVE fields is too far? Is it increased roster size? Seems like partnering with BRAVE would make the teams stronger (even if only by a little), so I'm not sure why top players would be leaving.

Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

The truth is this, if VYS or BRAVE new what they were doing this merger wouldn't be necessary. ECNL boys is generally a league over reach and a disaster across the board so this is about the girls side primarily. McLean has been a founding member of ECNL and has had an excellent track record of success. ECNL over saturated Fairfax in reaction to Girls DA years ago and now league is pruning back.

BRAVE/BRYC have not proven themselves at this level and that lack of on field success as well as college placement success does not warrant them a 2/3 vote in an area they have relatively little experience and success.

While McLean results have not been what they've been in the past their college placement has not fallen off, because they are known, trusted and respected by colleges.

So, no VYS is in over its head and really should put their ego aside and just shut up and listen to McLean.

If McLean wants to learn how to win a U16 State Cup or get two kids on ODP then I'm sure they'll be all ears.

Their 2/3 vote is warranted because ECNL said so.

McLean has been in a tailspin and is desperately in need of fresh methods and ideas. BRYC and VYS can provide this.

Why is VYS in over its head here? Sounds like more of that McLean arrogance.

It's not a fantasy league. Please care about kids. You are all in over your heads.

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Anonymous wrote:At least Arlington has one or two standout ECNL teams on the girls side.

True test will come during the playoffs.

The true test is college commits. Every girl on the oldest Arlington Team is committed. That is what ECNL is about. Not playoffs.

Mediocre Arlington at it again, but this mom is right it’s about playing mediocre soccer at the ncaa level. Congrats ECNL!

All joking aside -- what if it is? What if that is what it all is about? Playing soccer -- helping get into a better school than you otherwise would have, maybe for money in D1, and go to college and live your life. What is that was the end game and no one cared if others though mediocre. Yale plays mediocre football at best. Most of that team end up as doctors, lawyers, bankers, and executives later in life. Do you think they cared that someone else thought they played mediocre football? Not for one second.

If that is the attitude about futbol, then just go to bleeping college - in this area most people paying and playing club have the money for college - and leave futbol to the futbolistas! Our game is not some vehicle for upper middle class white kids to bridge into the 1%…

I didn’t realize the Lord of Football was on this board! “Our game”?? Who made you the arbiter of approved motivation? You think girls should only play college soccer if they need the money? Young women who choose to give up thousands of little moments throughout middle school and high school just for the chance of playing a sport in college? To learn early what it takes to push through disappointment, to embrace success? To have what amounts to a corporate job interview while still a sophomore or junior in HS? I’m pretty confident that the kids you are excluding from being “futbolistas” both know the game better than you, and have sacrificed far more than you have to be able to make those decisions.

Lol - you are offended, I guess because your kid doesn’t really care about the sport but is being forced to “sacrifice” for some hope of a college bump? Anybody who really cares, or knows their kid really cares, wouldn’t be offended in the least by what was said.

Ah, this helps clarify - I understand ow hard it is for you as someone who wasn’t able to make the team in college. I am sure you would have made it if it weren’t for that pesky injury. Enjoy your life on the sidelines!

Lol - don’t shoot the messenger because your kid doesn’t really give a s- about the sport you are apparently forcing them to play.

I think you are offbase. The girls that spend all this time on soccer love soccer. But it is not the be all and end all the same way high school football was for me. I loved football. I cried after the last game senior year. So what. Not going to let it rule my life just because I love it.

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You have no idea what you are talking about. Why speak if that is the case?

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Anonymous wrote:At least Arlington has one or two standout ECNL teams on the girls side.

True test will come during the playoffs.

The true test is college commits. Every girl on the oldest Arlington Team is committed. That is what ECNL is about. Not playoffs.

Mediocre Arlington at it again, but this mom is right it’s about playing mediocre soccer at the ncaa level. Congrats ECNL!

All joking aside -- what if it is? What if that is what it all is about? Playing soccer -- helping get into a better school than you otherwise would have, maybe for money in D1, and go to college and live your life. What is that was the end game and no one cared if others though mediocre. Yale plays mediocre football at best. Most of that team end up as doctors, lawyers, bankers, and executives later in life. Do you think they cared that someone else thought they played mediocre football? Not for one second.

If that is the attitude about futbol, then just go to bleeping college - in this area most people paying and playing club have the money for college - and leave futbol to the futbolistas! Our game is not some vehicle for upper middle class white kids to bridge into the 1%…

This is an interesting debate. As a middle-class family in the area in ECNL, we do not have the money saved for college. Be it, a college soccer scholarship for most is probably only 25% to 50%. We push academics first with the hopes for both academic and sports scholarships.

While we spend a lot on Club Soccer, the benefits of the cost are worth it. Most importantly our children stay busy all of the time and are less likely to get caught up in the riff raff of drugs, crime, etc. Second is the life skill of learning how to work with a team, being a leader, following direction, staying healthy and many other reasons. If it wasn't soccer, it would be gymnastics, softball, lacrosse, basketball, or pick your poison.

If you had saved all the money you spent on club soccer over the years, you would have decent college savings.

Yes but they would have been "caught up in the riff raff of drugs, crime, etc" Apparently it's a choice between soccer and a life of crime.

My bad, I guess I should have added pregnancy in that as well. And no, it's a choice between constructive extracuricular activities and idle hands. Happens my child picked something they are good at. I'm sorry, did you want us not to support our children any way you they can? Are you mad that we worked harder in life to achieve a better life for our kids. I also never complained about being overlooked on the basketball court for not being over 6' tall and freakishly athletic. FYI, I grew up lower class, got our shoes from Payless, clothes from Sears and I paid for my College. A lot of White Privelage going on there, let me tell ya. So what, are the minority families at our Club and on the ECNL team exempt because they are not White? I say that because your posts are passive/agressive racist in nature.

Seems to me you are the one who is most triggered, entitled, and live life making excuses instead of taking accountability for your own mistakes. Michael Jordan would tell you to "Get some help."

Everyone has choices in life. It's the parents support that helps children succeed and make the right decisions. Not their Color, Ethnicity, Government, the schools or religion. We all bleed the same color on the inside. Truly sorry you are consumed by hate and blinded by whatever that may be.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would players leave? Serious question. Is it practicing on BRAVE fields is too far? Is it increased roster size? Seems like partnering with BRAVE would make the teams stronger (even if only by a little), so I'm not sure why top players would be leaving.

Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

The truth is this, if VYS or BRAVE new what they were doing this merger wouldn't be necessary. ECNL boys is generally a league over reach and a disaster across the board so this is about the girls side primarily. McLean has been a founding member of ECNL and has had an excellent track record of success. ECNL over saturated Fairfax in reaction to Girls DA years ago and now league is pruning back.

BRAVE/BRYC have not proven themselves at this level and that lack of on field success as well as college placement success does not warrant them a 2/3 vote in an area they have relatively little experience and success.

While McLean results have not been what they've been in the past their college placement has not fallen off, because they are known, trusted and respected by colleges.

So, no VYS is in over its head and really should put their ego aside and just shut up and listen to McLean.

If McLean wants to learn how to win a U16 State Cup or get two kids on ODP then I'm sure they'll be all ears.

This. This thinking is exactly why McLean failed. This McLean coach can't accept what the McLean Assistant Executive Director himself said -- that ECNL was tracking Union's metrics, and they were no bueno. And that their ECNL-RL membership was also in trouble. A sinking ship needs support. Swallow your pride and take the help that VYS and BRYC are offering. If you're concerned that you'll lose your coaching spot on staff, go talk to the folks at McLean who are making 1/3 of the decisions for the new club. Make your case for why you should be on the coaching slate. Or if not, update your resume. You're wasting your time on this forum.

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Anonymous wrote:At least Arlington has one or two standout ECNL teams on the girls side.

True test will come during the playoffs.

The true test is college commits. Every girl on the oldest Arlington Team is committed. That is what ECNL is about. Not playoffs.

Mediocre Arlington at it again, but this mom is right it’s about playing mediocre soccer at the ncaa level. Congrats ECNL!

All joking aside -- what if it is? What if that is what it all is about? Playing soccer -- helping get into a better school than you otherwise would have, maybe for money in D1, and go to college and live your life. What is that was the end game and no one cared if others though mediocre. Yale plays mediocre football at best. Most of that team end up as doctors, lawyers, bankers, and executives later in life. Do you think they cared that someone else thought they played mediocre football? Not for one second.

If that is the attitude about futbol, then just go to bleeping college - in this area most people paying and playing club have the money for college - and leave futbol to the futbolistas! Our game is not some vehicle for upper middle class white kids to bridge into the 1%…

This is an interesting debate. As a middle-class family in the area in ECNL, we do not have the money saved for college. Be it, a college soccer scholarship for most is probably only 25% to 50%. We push academics first with the hopes for both academic and sports scholarships.

While we spend a lot on Club Soccer, the benefits of the cost are worth it. Most importantly our children stay busy all of the time and are less likely to get caught up in the riff raff of drugs, crime, etc. Second is the life skill of learning how to work with a team, being a leader, following direction, staying healthy and many other reasons. If it wasn't soccer, it would be gymnastics, softball, lacrosse, basketball, or pick your poison.

If you had saved all the money you spent on club soccer over the years, you would have decent college savings.

Yes but they would have been "caught up in the riff raff of drugs, crime, etc" Apparently it's a choice between soccer and a life of crime.

Straight outta Clemyjontri

That is hilarious! Well, well done, friendo!

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Anonymous wrote:Why would players leave? Serious question. Is it practicing on BRAVE fields is too far? Is it increased roster size? Seems like partnering with BRAVE would make the teams stronger (even if only by a little), so I'm not sure why top players would be leaving.

Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

BRYC should get ZERO coaching slots. Who are their coaching prospects? TD’s son and parent coach? VYS and McLean should agree to split, like 5-1 or 4-2 in McLean’s favor on the girls side and vice versa on the boys for VYS. Get it done.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would players leave? Serious question. Is it practicing on BRAVE fields is too far? Is it increased roster size? Seems like partnering with BRAVE would make the teams stronger (even if only by a little), so I'm not sure why top players would be leaving.

Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

The truth is this, if VYS or BRAVE new what they were doing this merger wouldn't be necessary. ECNL boys is generally a league over reach and a disaster across the board so this is about the girls side primarily. McLean has been a founding member of ECNL and has had an excellent track record of success. ECNL over saturated Fairfax in reaction to Girls DA years ago and now league is pruning back.

BRAVE/BRYC have not proven themselves at this level and that lack of on field success as well as college placement success does not warrant them a 2/3 vote in an area they have relatively little experience and success.

While McLean results have not been what they've been in the past their college placement has not fallen off, because they are known, trusted and respected by colleges.

So, no VYS is in over its head and really should put their ego aside and just shut up and listen to McLean.

If McLean wants to learn how to win a U16 State Cup or get two kids on ODP then I'm sure they'll be all ears.

This. This thinking is exactly why McLean failed. This McLean coach can't accept what the McLean Assistant Executive Director himself said -- that ECNL was tracking Union's metrics, and they were no bueno. And that their ECNL-RL membership was also in trouble. A sinking ship needs support. Swallow your pride and take the help that VYS and BRYC are offering. If you're concerned that you'll lose your coaching spot on staff, go talk to the folks at McLean who are making 1/3 of the decisions for the new club. Make your case for why you should be on the coaching slate. Or if not, update your resume. You're wasting your time on this forum.

Problem with your narrative is that Brave was in the same trouble and place, but Brave isn’t communicating at ALL and McLean is only mentioning that in passing because rightly they’d expect Brave to be transparent with families on this point and it hasn’t been.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would players leave? Serious question. Is it practicing on BRAVE fields is too far? Is it increased roster size? Seems like partnering with BRAVE would make the teams stronger (even if only by a little), so I'm not sure why top players would be leaving.

Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

BRYC should get ZERO coaching slots. Who are their coaching prospects? TD’s son and parent coach? VYS and McLean should agree to split, like 5-1 or 4-2 in McLean’s favor on the girls side and vice versa on the boys for VYS. Get it done.

Another clown, its a three way powershare, get throuhg your skull, McLean is stuck with Brave until the next collapse or merger

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Anonymous wrote:Why would players leave? Serious question. Is it practicing on BRAVE fields is too far? Is it increased roster size? Seems like partnering with BRAVE would make the teams stronger (even if only by a little), so I'm not sure why top players would be leaving.

Recruiting for top players. Roster size for everyone else

Understand roster size, how does this affect recruiting for top players in a negative way?

It doesn't unless BRAVE or BRYC coaches get older teams. Those coaches have no track record or network compared to McLean.

McLean is getting the older ages.

Are you on the board of the FXU and can confirm that's true? Whether we stay or go will depend on coaching slate.

Are you saying your kids are to good to play for BRYC or VYS coaches?

How arrogant.

VYS does not have any ECNL level teams or cosches. Therefore They shouldn’t be assigned to any FXU ECNL teams. This new club needs to post the criteria they are using to assign coaches. It should be clear and metrics based.

Answer the question. Are you saying that the current Union families are too good to have their kids coached by a VYS coach? Do you feel this way about BRYC as well?

The criteria has been posted. All things including coaching coaching decisions need to be approved unanimously.

I really hope the VYS and BRYC coaches are reading these forums. Both clubs are a part of this ‘Union’ now and their coaches should be given THEIR 2/3 of the HC coaching slots on both the boys and girls sides.

If BRYC and VYS already starts conceding ground on major issues such as this then we are just in for another decade of The McLean Way. And if ECNL has taught us anything recently it’s that The McLean Way is no longer wanted and it does not work.

The truth is this, if VYS or BRAVE new what they were doing this merger wouldn't be necessary. ECNL boys is generally a league over reach and a disaster across the board so this is about the girls side primarily. McLean has been a founding member of ECNL and has had an excellent track record of success. ECNL over saturated Fairfax in reaction to Girls DA years ago and now league is pruning back.

BRAVE/BRYC have not proven themselves at this level and that lack of on field success as well as college placement success does not warrant them a 2/3 vote in an area they have relatively little experience and success.

While McLean results have not been what they've been in the past their college placement has not fallen off, because they are known, trusted and respected by colleges.

So, no VYS is in over its head and really should put their ego aside and just shut up and listen to McLean.

If McLean wants to learn how to win a U16 State Cup or get two kids on ODP then I'm sure they'll be all ears.

This. This thinking is exactly why McLean failed. This McLean coach can't accept what the McLean Assistant Executive Director himself said -- that ECNL was tracking Union's metrics, and they were no bueno. And that their ECNL-RL membership was also in trouble. A sinking ship needs support. Swallow your pride and take the help that VYS and BRYC are offering. If you're concerned that you'll lose your coaching spot on staff, go talk to the folks at McLean who are making 1/3 of the decisions for the new club. Make your case for why you should be on the coaching slate. Or if not, update your resume. You're wasting your time on this forum.

Problem with your narrative is that Brave was in the same trouble and place, but Brave isn’t communicating at ALL and McLean is only mentioning that in passing because rightly they’d expect Brave to be transparent with families on this point and it hasn’t been.

Hey, I'm not saying that Brave wasn't in trouble as well. Clearly, they were, or they wouldn't merge with Union. What I'm saying is that this whole idea of "VYS should put its ego aside and just shut up and listen to McLean," which I assume means that the person thinks the coaching slate hasn't been released because VYS is claiming its 1/3 stake in it, is exactly why McLean is failing. Too much ego. Why let any of the three clubs have a majority of the decisions? They all failed. Stop fighting. Join forces and make this the best ECNL club in Northern Virginia.