UMD Admissions from MCPS

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Anonymous wrote:Maryland has only one top-tier public program: UMD. The UMD term can be used by UM, College Park, or UM, Baltimore, which do not have overlapping degrees. While there are definitely other good public colleges in Maryland, they are markedly lower caliber. UMBC, St. Mary's, and Towson are decent options.

UMCP programs with competitive admissions generally require that you start them as a freshman, which means you cannot transfer in after attending MC. However, there are plenty of other top programs at UMCP that are not competitive or take transfer students. That can be an excellent route to save money, too.

My friends kid did two years at CC then transferred into engineering. What programs are you talking about? CS?

dp.. CS is no longer an easy major to transfer into. They have reduced the number of transfers to 100, and that includes both internal and external transfers. So, yes, it's now very very difficult to transfer in to CS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hearing about many MCPS kids rejected from UMD this year with stats that would have bene likely to be admitted in years prior. Anyone asked their school's counselors about this? Rumor mill suggests many less kids admitted.

Spoke with one of the school counselors at my kid’s school (QO) and she said it has been tough but nothing different than other years

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Anonymous wrote:What's the benefit of FC to the school?

It allows them to pack more students in with full use of dorms and classrooms. Spring students can take the place of students going abroad, and night students can use regular classrooms. Educate more students with the same facilities.

They could achieve exactly the same goals by simply admitting the FC students as regular students.

Unfortunately, this is not the case. I'm not sure you understand how class space is assigned at UMD. There are limited seats per space. Space depends on the needs of the class (intro classes are going to get priority in the Lecture classrooms. Labs need specialized spaces. There are only so many places on the UMD campus that can manage a large-scale lecture-style classroom. FC helps to offset the need for classroom spaces. Using the space at "off times" provides small classes for FC students and helps to balance out the class assignment challenges the University is trying to meet. The University’s on-grid standard class scheduling patterns allow for maximum access to class offerings for students and facilitate the most efficient use of classrooms.

Seminar Room – small classroom, generally 20 seats or fewer
General Purpose Classroom – medium size classroom, generally 21-80 seats
Lecture Hall – large lecture-style classroom, generally 81+ seats
Computer Classroom – classroom with computers for instructional use

They could have exactly the same classes at exactly the same times with exactly the same instructors, without labeling them "Freshman Connection".

What? Call it Spring Admit? I don't understand your issues with Freshman Connection.

No, just admit them as regular fall admission, instead of as fall admission with an asterisk.

If they did this they would have to admit fewer students to UMD in the Fall which would reduce the number of students accepted from school districts like MCPS. FC is a smart approach for ensuring there are more opportunities for a broad range of students.

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Anonymous wrote:What's the benefit of FC to the school?

It allows them to pack more students in with full use of dorms and classrooms. Spring students can take the place of students going abroad, and night students can use regular classrooms. Educate more students with the same facilities.

They could achieve exactly the same goals by simply admitting the FC students as regular students.

Unfortunately, this is not the case. I'm not sure you understand how class space is assigned at UMD. There are limited seats per space. Space depends on the needs of the class (intro classes are going to get priority in the Lecture classrooms. Labs need specialized spaces. There are only so many places on the UMD campus that can manage a large-scale lecture-style classroom. FC helps to offset the need for classroom spaces. Using the space at "off times" provides small classes for FC students and helps to balance out the class assignment challenges the University is trying to meet. The University’s on-grid standard class scheduling patterns allow for maximum access to class offerings for students and facilitate the most efficient use of classrooms.

Seminar Room – small classroom, generally 20 seats or fewer
General Purpose Classroom – medium size classroom, generally 21-80 seats
Lecture Hall – large lecture-style classroom, generally 81+ seats
Computer Classroom – classroom with computers for instructional use

They could have exactly the same classes at exactly the same times with exactly the same instructors, without labeling them "Freshman Connection".

What? Call it Spring Admit? I don't understand your issues with Freshman Connection.

No, just admit them as regular fall admission, instead of as fall admission with an asterisk.

If they did this they would have to admit fewer students to UMD in the Fall which would reduce the number of students accepted from school districts like MCPS. FC is a smart approach for ensuring there are more opportunities for a broad range of students.

Eh? No, they would admit more students in the fall. The ones they're currently officially admitting for fall, PLUS the ones they're actually, in reality, admitting for fall, in the "Freshman Connection" category.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I ask again, as I did before: who's teaching the FC classes? My kid isn't going there, so I'm confused as to why more of you who are happy about your kids going there aren't asking this, or wondering.

1.) Same prof teaching the regular class? (Doubling their workload?
2.) Same TA teaching the regular class? ". "
3.) Different prof or TA?

What determines who teaches what?

According to the admin of the UMD parent group whose husband is in the Math department, the professors and grad students enter a lottery to determine who gets the FC calculus 1 and 2 classes because they all want them because the sections are small.

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Anonymous wrote:What's the benefit of FC to the school?

It allows them to pack more students in with full use of dorms and classrooms. Spring students can take the place of students going abroad, and night students can use regular classrooms. Educate more students with the same facilities.

They could achieve exactly the same goals by simply admitting the FC students as regular students.

Unfortunately, this is not the case. I'm not sure you understand how class space is assigned at UMD. There are limited seats per space. Space depends on the needs of the class (intro classes are going to get priority in the Lecture classrooms. Labs need specialized spaces. There are only so many places on the UMD campus that can manage a large-scale lecture-style classroom. FC helps to offset the need for classroom spaces. Using the space at "off times" provides small classes for FC students and helps to balance out the class assignment challenges the University is trying to meet. The University’s on-grid standard class scheduling patterns allow for maximum access to class offerings for students and facilitate the most efficient use of classrooms.

Seminar Room – small classroom, generally 20 seats or fewer
General Purpose Classroom – medium size classroom, generally 21-80 seats
Lecture Hall – large lecture-style classroom, generally 81+ seats
Computer Classroom – classroom with computers for instructional use

They could have exactly the same classes at exactly the same times with exactly the same instructors, without labeling them "Freshman Connection".

What? Call it Spring Admit? I don't understand your issues with Freshman Connection.

No, just admit them as regular fall admission, instead of as fall admission with an asterisk.

Ok. So we are back to the space issues - not all FC students start in the fall by shuffling a bulk of students to spring helps to alleviate classroom and dorm crowding.......the solution is not unique to UMD CP.

What percentage of Freshman Connection students start in the fall? I'm guessing the vast majority. There they are on campus, taking classes and living in the dorms, just like regular students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hearing about many MCPS kids rejected from UMD this year with stats that would have bene likely to be admitted in years prior. Anyone asked their school's counselors about this? Rumor mill suggests many less kids admitted.

Spoke with one of the school counselors at my kid’s school (QO) and she said it has been tough but nothing different than other years

There are some posters who seem heavily vested in this narrative that the world is in decline and everything is worse. Objectively it isn't but things do change. My guess is some struggle with the later.

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Anonymous wrote:Hearing about many MCPS kids rejected from UMD this year with stats that would have bene likely to be admitted in years prior. Anyone asked their school's counselors about this? Rumor mill suggests many less kids admitted.

Spoke with one of the school counselors at my kid’s school (QO) and she said it has been tough but nothing different than other years

There are some posters who seem heavily vested in this narrative that the world is in decline and everything is worse. Objectively it isn't but things do change. My guess is some struggle with the later.

That's only one school. Didn't one of the local media outlets report that this was an especially bad year?

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Anonymous wrote:What's the benefit of FC to the school?

It allows them to pack more students in with full use of dorms and classrooms. Spring students can take the place of students going abroad, and night students can use regular classrooms. Educate more students with the same facilities.

They could achieve exactly the same goals by simply admitting the FC students as regular students.

Unfortunately, this is not the case. I'm not sure you understand how class space is assigned at UMD. There are limited seats per space. Space depends on the needs of the class (intro classes are going to get priority in the Lecture classrooms. Labs need specialized spaces. There are only so many places on the UMD campus that can manage a large-scale lecture-style classroom. FC helps to offset the need for classroom spaces. Using the space at "off times" provides small classes for FC students and helps to balance out the class assignment challenges the University is trying to meet. The University’s on-grid standard class scheduling patterns allow for maximum access to class offerings for students and facilitate the most efficient use of classrooms.

Seminar Room – small classroom, generally 20 seats or fewer
General Purpose Classroom – medium size classroom, generally 21-80 seats
Lecture Hall – large lecture-style classroom, generally 81+ seats
Computer Classroom – classroom with computers for instructional use

They could have exactly the same classes at exactly the same times with exactly the same instructors, without labeling them "Freshman Connection".

What? Call it Spring Admit? I don't understand your issues with Freshman Connection.

No, just admit them as regular fall admission, instead of as fall admission with an asterisk.

If they did this they would have to admit fewer students to UMD in the Fall which would reduce the number of students accepted from school districts like MCPS. FC is a smart approach for ensuring there are more opportunities for a broad range of students.

Eh? No, they would admit more students in the fall. The ones they're currently officially admitting for fall, PLUS the ones they're actually, in reality, admitting for fall, in the "Freshman Connection" category.

Space space space space space space …
Reading comprehension issue?

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Anonymous wrote:What's the benefit of FC to the school?

It allows them to pack more students in with full use of dorms and classrooms. Spring students can take the place of students going abroad, and night students can use regular classrooms. Educate more students with the same facilities.

They could achieve exactly the same goals by simply admitting the FC students as regular students.

Unfortunately, this is not the case. I'm not sure you understand how class space is assigned at UMD. There are limited seats per space. Space depends on the needs of the class (intro classes are going to get priority in the Lecture classrooms. Labs need specialized spaces. There are only so many places on the UMD campus that can manage a large-scale lecture-style classroom. FC helps to offset the need for classroom spaces. Using the space at "off times" provides small classes for FC students and helps to balance out the class assignment challenges the University is trying to meet. The University’s on-grid standard class scheduling patterns allow for maximum access to class offerings for students and facilitate the most efficient use of classrooms.

Seminar Room – small classroom, generally 20 seats or fewer
General Purpose Classroom – medium size classroom, generally 21-80 seats
Lecture Hall – large lecture-style classroom, generally 81+ seats
Computer Classroom – classroom with computers for instructional use

They could have exactly the same classes at exactly the same times with exactly the same instructors, without labeling them "Freshman Connection".

What? Call it Spring Admit? I don't understand your issues with Freshman Connection.

No, just admit them as regular fall admission, instead of as fall admission with an asterisk.

If they did this they would have to admit fewer students to UMD in the Fall which would reduce the number of students accepted from school districts like MCPS. FC is a smart approach for ensuring there are more opportunities for a broad range of students.

Eh? No, they would admit more students in the fall. The ones they're currently officially admitting for fall, PLUS the ones they're actually, in reality, admitting for fall, in the "Freshman Connection" category.

Space space space space space space …
Reading comprehension issue?

What space space space space space space? A person who is on campus taking classes as Freshman Connection is taking up exactly the same space as a person who is on campus taking classes as a regular fall admit.

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Anonymous wrote:What's the benefit of FC to the school?

It allows them to pack more students in with full use of dorms and classrooms. Spring students can take the place of students going abroad, and night students can use regular classrooms. Educate more students with the same facilities.

They could achieve exactly the same goals by simply admitting the FC students as regular students.

Unfortunately, this is not the case. I'm not sure you understand how class space is assigned at UMD. There are limited seats per space. Space depends on the needs of the class (intro classes are going to get priority in the Lecture classrooms. Labs need specialized spaces. There are only so many places on the UMD campus that can manage a large-scale lecture-style classroom. FC helps to offset the need for classroom spaces. Using the space at "off times" provides small classes for FC students and helps to balance out the class assignment challenges the University is trying to meet. The University’s on-grid standard class scheduling patterns allow for maximum access to class offerings for students and facilitate the most efficient use of classrooms.

Seminar Room – small classroom, generally 20 seats or fewer
General Purpose Classroom – medium size classroom, generally 21-80 seats
Lecture Hall – large lecture-style classroom, generally 81+ seats
Computer Classroom – classroom with computers for instructional use

They could have exactly the same classes at exactly the same times with exactly the same instructors, without labeling them "Freshman Connection".

What? Call it Spring Admit? I don't understand your issues with Freshman Connection.

No, just admit them as regular fall admission, instead of as fall admission with an asterisk.

If they did this they would have to admit fewer students to UMD in the Fall which would reduce the number of students accepted from school districts like MCPS. FC is a smart approach for ensuring there are more opportunities for a broad range of students.

Eh? No, they would admit more students in the fall. The ones they're currently officially admitting for fall, PLUS the ones they're actually, in reality, admitting for fall, in the "Freshman Connection" category.

Space space space space space space …
Reading comprehension issue?

What space space space space space space? A person who is on campus taking classes as Freshman Connection is taking up exactly the same space as a person who is on campus taking classes as a regular fall admit.

One method FC alleviates the classroom headcount space issue is by offsetting the times. Classes can be offered to more students by spreading out the instructional space to times that are not typically used. The classrooms are literally filled to capacity you can't fit one or more students. FC uses the spaces more wisely and allows the FC students to get through they general education classes more efficiently.

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Anonymous wrote:What's the benefit of FC to the school?

It allows them to pack more students in with full use of dorms and classrooms. Spring students can take the place of students going abroad, and night students can use regular classrooms. Educate more students with the same facilities.

They could achieve exactly the same goals by simply admitting the FC students as regular students.

Unfortunately, this is not the case. I'm not sure you understand how class space is assigned at UMD. There are limited seats per space. Space depends on the needs of the class (intro classes are going to get priority in the Lecture classrooms. Labs need specialized spaces. There are only so many places on the UMD campus that can manage a large-scale lecture-style classroom. FC helps to offset the need for classroom spaces. Using the space at "off times" provides small classes for FC students and helps to balance out the class assignment challenges the University is trying to meet. The University’s on-grid standard class scheduling patterns allow for maximum access to class offerings for students and facilitate the most efficient use of classrooms.

Seminar Room – small classroom, generally 20 seats or fewer
General Purpose Classroom – medium size classroom, generally 21-80 seats
Lecture Hall – large lecture-style classroom, generally 81+ seats
Computer Classroom – classroom with computers for instructional use

They could have exactly the same classes at exactly the same times with exactly the same instructors, without labeling them "Freshman Connection".

What? Call it Spring Admit? I don't understand your issues with Freshman Connection.

No, just admit them as regular fall admission, instead of as fall admission with an asterisk.

If they did this they would have to admit fewer students to UMD in the Fall which would reduce the number of students accepted from school districts like MCPS. FC is a smart approach for ensuring there are more opportunities for a broad range of students.

Eh? No, they would admit more students in the fall. The ones they're currently officially admitting for fall, PLUS the ones they're actually, in reality, admitting for fall, in the "Freshman Connection" category.

Space space space space space space …
Reading comprehension issue?

What space space space space space space? A person who is on campus taking classes as Freshman Connection is taking up exactly the same space as a person who is on campus taking classes as a regular fall admit.

One method FC alleviates the classroom headcount space issue is by offsetting the times. Classes can be offered to more students by spreading out the instructional space to times that are not typically used. The classrooms are literally filled to capacity you can't fit one or more students. FC uses the spaces more wisely and allows the FC students to get through they general education classes more efficiently.

Or they could just schedule regular classes at those times, to make the same efficient use of space.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maryland has only one top-tier public program: UMD. The UMD term can be used by UM, College Park, or UM, Baltimore, which do not have overlapping degrees. While there are definitely other good public colleges in Maryland, they are markedly lower caliber. UMBC, St. Mary's, and Towson are decent options.

Uh, not sure where this info is coming from. UMD is College Park. Period. The University of Maryland system also includes the University of Maryland Baltimore, UMB, which is a completely different university with a different President, email address, etc., and includes the professional schools (medicine, law, dentistry, nursing, social work, pharmacy). It doesn't have a mascot. UMD, UMB, UMBC, UB, Towson, Salisbury, and other publics are part of the University of Maryland system. https://www.usmd.edu/institutions/

Just clarifying that Maryland's medical and law schools, etc., are not an extension of/part of the same university as the undergrad flagship like they are at most other states.

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Anonymous wrote:What's the benefit of FC to the school?

It allows them to pack more students in with full use of dorms and classrooms. Spring students can take the place of students going abroad, and night students can use regular classrooms. Educate more students with the same facilities.

They could achieve exactly the same goals by simply admitting the FC students as regular students.

Unfortunately, this is not the case. I'm not sure you understand how class space is assigned at UMD. There are limited seats per space. Space depends on the needs of the class (intro classes are going to get priority in the Lecture classrooms. Labs need specialized spaces. There are only so many places on the UMD campus that can manage a large-scale lecture-style classroom. FC helps to offset the need for classroom spaces. Using the space at "off times" provides small classes for FC students and helps to balance out the class assignment challenges the University is trying to meet. The University’s on-grid standard class scheduling patterns allow for maximum access to class offerings for students and facilitate the most efficient use of classrooms.

Seminar Room – small classroom, generally 20 seats or fewer
General Purpose Classroom – medium size classroom, generally 21-80 seats
Lecture Hall – large lecture-style classroom, generally 81+ seats
Computer Classroom – classroom with computers for instructional use

They could have exactly the same classes at exactly the same times with exactly the same instructors, without labeling them "Freshman Connection".

What? Call it Spring Admit? I don't understand your issues with Freshman Connection.

No, just admit them as regular fall admission, instead of as fall admission with an asterisk.

If they did this they would have to admit fewer students to UMD in the Fall which would reduce the number of students accepted from school districts like MCPS. FC is a smart approach for ensuring there are more opportunities for a broad range of students.

Eh? No, they would admit more students in the fall. The ones they're currently officially admitting for fall, PLUS the ones they're actually, in reality, admitting for fall, in the "Freshman Connection" category.

Space space space space space space …
Reading comprehension issue?

What space space space space space space? A person who is on campus taking classes as Freshman Connection is taking up exactly the same space as a person who is on campus taking classes as a regular fall admit.

One method FC alleviates the classroom headcount space issue is by offsetting the times. Classes can be offered to more students by spreading out the instructional space to times that are not typically used. The classrooms are literally filled to capacity you can't fit one or more students. FC uses the spaces more wisely and allows the FC students to get through they general education classes more efficiently.

Or they could just schedule regular classes at those times, to make the same efficient use of space.

Generally, those classes wouldn’t fill unless students were required to enroll in them. Almost no one wants to take Gen Eds at the time of day when all of your friends are working out and eating dinner.

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Anonymous wrote:What's the benefit of FC to the school?

It allows them to pack more students in with full use of dorms and classrooms. Spring students can take the place of students going abroad, and night students can use regular classrooms. Educate more students with the same facilities.

They could achieve exactly the same goals by simply admitting the FC students as regular students.

Unfortunately, this is not the case. I'm not sure you understand how class space is assigned at UMD. There are limited seats per space. Space depends on the needs of the class (intro classes are going to get priority in the Lecture classrooms. Labs need specialized spaces. There are only so many places on the UMD campus that can manage a large-scale lecture-style classroom. FC helps to offset the need for classroom spaces. Using the space at "off times" provides small classes for FC students and helps to balance out the class assignment challenges the University is trying to meet. The University’s on-grid standard class scheduling patterns allow for maximum access to class offerings for students and facilitate the most efficient use of classrooms.

Seminar Room – small classroom, generally 20 seats or fewer
General Purpose Classroom – medium size classroom, generally 21-80 seats
Lecture Hall – large lecture-style classroom, generally 81+ seats
Computer Classroom – classroom with computers for instructional use

They could have exactly the same classes at exactly the same times with exactly the same instructors, without labeling them "Freshman Connection".

What? Call it Spring Admit? I don't understand your issues with Freshman Connection.

No, just admit them as regular fall admission, instead of as fall admission with an asterisk.

If they did this they would have to admit fewer students to UMD in the Fall which would reduce the number of students accepted from school districts like MCPS. FC is a smart approach for ensuring there are more opportunities for a broad range of students.

Eh? No, they would admit more students in the fall. The ones they're currently officially admitting for fall, PLUS the ones they're actually, in reality, admitting for fall, in the "Freshman Connection" category.

Space space space space space space …
Reading comprehension issue?

What space space space space space space? A person who is on campus taking classes as Freshman Connection is taking up exactly the same space as a person who is on campus taking classes as a regular fall admit.

One method FC alleviates the classroom headcount space issue is by offsetting the times. Classes can be offered to more students by spreading out the instructional space to times that are not typically used. The classrooms are literally filled to capacity you can't fit one or more students. FC uses the spaces more wisely and allows the FC students to get through they general education classes more efficiently.

Or they could just schedule regular classes at those times, to make the same efficient use of space.

Generally, those classes wouldn’t fill unless students were required to enroll in them. Almost no one wants to take Gen Eds at the time of day when all of your friends are working out and eating dinner.

How do you know? Why wouldn't all of your friends be taking Gen Eds then too? What happens with the classroom space during the spring semester? Inefficient use of space?