UMD Admissions from MCPS

[Anonymous]

As you can see, applications the number of applications and student stats continue to rise.

https://irpa.umd.edu/CampusCounts/Admissions/apps_ug.pdf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Many families have also left MCPS for other school systems or private schools in the midst of the decline of MCPS. So while MCPS once had by far the most high performing students in the state, that is no longer the case, so we’re not seeing MCPS students dominate college admissions like they once did.

How many is "many"?

MCPS had 11,332 seniors in 2019-2020 and 11,798 seniors in 2022-2023.

There are more seniors today than 4 years ago but the increase has come from kids who aren’t going to be applying to umd. Largely English language learners and kids struggling to get through high school

BCC had 516 seniors in 2019-2020 and 586 seniors in 2022-2023.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Should have specified. Question is about UMCP and what appears to be a change in the admissions rate this year from MCPS.

Don’t confuse admission rate with total number of admits. If there are more applicants but same # of admits, the rate goes down.

Also, you HAVE to ask what program a kid applied to. The limited enrollment programs (computer science, engineering, and business) get soooo many applications and high stat kids may be rejected, where they might have been admitted to a different major,

One thing that DID change this year is how Computer Science is managing enrollment. They are no longer guaranteeing transfers into the major based on a set of criteria (both from internal and external transfers). They are admitting more freshmen this year, but students who would have been admitted to letters and sciences but not the comp science LEP in the past are now just being declined because they won’t be able to transfer into the major. I know people find that frustrating, but I think in the long run it’s better to clearly tell the kid that there is no room at UMD for them so they can choose a different place with the program they want.

Does that mean students who did MCPS/MC dual enrollment can’t get into CS at UMCP?

there are only 100 spots open for CS transfers. It's going to be like a lottery. They have stated that students in L&S need to have a backup major.

https://undergrad.cs.umd.edu/cs-lep-faq-effective-fall-2024

I wonder if all dual enrollment counts as a transfer

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many families have also left MCPS for other school systems or private schools in the midst of the decline of MCPS. So while MCPS once had by far the most high performing students in the state, that is no longer the case, so we’re not seeing MCPS students dominate college admissions like they once did.

How many is "many"?

MCPS had 11,332 seniors in 2019-2020 and 11,798 seniors in 2022-2023.

There are more seniors today than 4 years ago but the increase has come from kids who aren’t going to be applying to umd. Largely English language learners and kids struggling to get through high school

BCC had 516 seniors in 2019-2020 and 586 seniors in 2022-2023.

Yes, even bcc is not immune to the influx that I mentioned above. I don’t think bcc is the example you think it is.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/safety-summit-at-bethesda-chevy-chase-high-school-focuses-on-recent-fights-crime

[Anonymous]

The acceptances from my child’s school seemed pretty predictable this year. The only thing that was surprising was some of the students who were offered freshman connection. That seemed more random with a couple of students who had gotten into very selective schools (like USC early action) getting freshman connection.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The worry from guidance counselors is that UMD is giving too many slots to out of state students. Maybe for the increased revenue.

Please provide data to back up this claim. To see where admitted students are from it's worth reviewing this report. https://www.usmd.edu/IRIS/?view=UMCP

Some nice surprises there. My fave: Nearly 60% of transfers from MD community colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The acceptances from my child’s school seemed pretty predictable this year. The only thing that was surprising was some of the students who were offered freshman connection. That seemed more random with a couple of students who had gotten into very selective schools (like USC early action) getting freshman connection.

It was very random in my DD’s friend group. She was accepted, but some friends with overall equivalent high stats didn’t. None of them treated UMD as a safety, but Naviance said it was a match. No use appealing because nothing substantial has changed since 11/1.

A couple of the girls are reeling. One has made a spreadsheet to try to determine if there was a pattern in who was accepted. When there are tiny percentage differences in scores and gpa among peers, it’s going to make rejected kids a little nuts for a while.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Should have specified. Question is about UMCP and what appears to be a change in the admissions rate this year from MCPS.

Don’t confuse admission rate with total number of admits. If there are more applicants but same # of admits, the rate goes down.

Also, you HAVE to ask what program a kid applied to. The limited enrollment programs (computer science, engineering, and business) get soooo many applications and high stat kids may be rejected, where they might have been admitted to a different major,

One thing that DID change this year is how Computer Science is managing enrollment. They are no longer guaranteeing transfers into the major based on a set of criteria (both from internal and external transfers). They are admitting more freshmen this year, but students who would have been admitted to letters and sciences but not the comp science LEP in the past are now just being declined because they won’t be able to transfer into the major. I know people find that frustrating, but I think in the long run it’s better to clearly tell the kid that there is no room at UMD for them so they can choose a different place with the program they want.

Does that mean students who did MCPS/MC dual enrollment can’t get into CS at UMCP?

there are only 100 spots open for CS transfers. It's going to be like a lottery. They have stated that students in L&S need to have a backup major.

https://undergrad.cs.umd.edu/cs-lep-faq-effective-fall-2024

So if you are not wealthy enough to afford college but not poor enough for financial aid, you are stuck competing for only 100 transfer spots? This seems like an equity issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Should have specified. Question is about UMCP and what appears to be a change in the admissions rate this year from MCPS.

Don’t confuse admission rate with total number of admits. If there are more applicants but same # of admits, the rate goes down.

Also, you HAVE to ask what program a kid applied to. The limited enrollment programs (computer science, engineering, and business) get soooo many applications and high stat kids may be rejected, where they might have been admitted to a different major,

One thing that DID change this year is how Computer Science is managing enrollment. They are no longer guaranteeing transfers into the major based on a set of criteria (both from internal and external transfers). They are admitting more freshmen this year, but students who would have been admitted to letters and sciences but not the comp science LEP in the past are now just being declined because they won’t be able to transfer into the major. I know people find that frustrating, but I think in the long run it’s better to clearly tell the kid that there is no room at UMD for them so they can choose a different place with the program they want.

Does that mean students who did MCPS/MC dual enrollment can’t get into CS at UMCP?

there are only 100 spots open for CS transfers. It's going to be like a lottery. They have stated that students in L&S need to have a backup major.

https://undergrad.cs.umd.edu/cs-lep-faq-effective-fall-2024

So if you are not wealthy enough to afford college but not poor enough for financial aid, you are stuck competing for only 100 transfer spots? This seems like an equity issue.

Indeed. Limited-enrollment programs (hyphen correctly added by me) are ways to ensure that access to elite programs in public schools is restricted to those who want to pay for four years.

[Anonymous]

Three page thread and have yet to see anyone claim yet rejection from maryland with high stats at a MCPS high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UMD claims not to look at major until after a decision made on admissions so not sure why anyone saying major is affecting admissions.

UMD does consider major (and other institutional priorities) in the final review/shaping of the class before releasing final decisions. In other words, a kid can be in the yes pile but ultimately rejected, or offered freshman connection, for example, after the enrollment management staff determines via predictive modeling that students need to be cut for various reasons such as major, geography, etc. Over- and undersubscribed departments is an institutional priority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UMD claims not to look at major until after a decision made on admissions so not sure why anyone saying major is affecting admissions.

UMD does consider major (and other institutional priorities) in the final review/shaping of the class before releasing final decisions. In other words, a kid can be in the yes pile but ultimately rejected, or offered freshman connection, for example, after the enrollment management staff determines via predictive modeling that students need to be cut for various reasons such as major, geography, etc. Over- and undersubscribed departments is an institutional priority.
Makes sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Should have specified. Question is about UMCP and what appears to be a change in the admissions rate this year from MCPS.

Don’t confuse admission rate with total number of admits. If there are more applicants but same # of admits, the rate goes down.

Also, you HAVE to ask what program a kid applied to. The limited enrollment programs (computer science, engineering, and business) get soooo many applications and high stat kids may be rejected, where they might have been admitted to a different major,

One thing that DID change this year is how Computer Science is managing enrollment. They are no longer guaranteeing transfers into the major based on a set of criteria (both from internal and external transfers). They are admitting more freshmen this year, but students who would have been admitted to letters and sciences but not the comp science LEP in the past are now just being declined because they won’t be able to transfer into the major. I know people find that frustrating, but I think in the long run it’s better to clearly tell the kid that there is no room at UMD for them so they can choose a different place with the program they want.

Does that mean students who did MCPS/MC dual enrollment can’t get into CS at UMCP?

there are only 100 spots open for CS transfers. It's going to be like a lottery. They have stated that students in L&S need to have a backup major.

https://undergrad.cs.umd.edu/cs-lep-faq-effective-fall-2024

I wonder if all dual enrollment counts as a transfer

Dual enrollment, Early College, MC2, P-tech, etc are all freshman admits, not transfers. Until you have a HS diploma you apply as a freshman and are considered part of the freshman class, even if you have 60+ credits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Should have specified. Question is about UMCP and what appears to be a change in the admissions rate this year from MCPS.

Don’t confuse admission rate with total number of admits. If there are more applicants but same # of admits, the rate goes down.

Also, you HAVE to ask what program a kid applied to. The limited enrollment programs (computer science, engineering, and business) get soooo many applications and high stat kids may be rejected, where they might have been admitted to a different major,

One thing that DID change this year is how Computer Science is managing enrollment. They are no longer guaranteeing transfers into the major based on a set of criteria (both from internal and external transfers). They are admitting more freshmen this year, but students who would have been admitted to letters and sciences but not the comp science LEP in the past are now just being declined because they won’t be able to transfer into the major. I know people find that frustrating, but I think in the long run it’s better to clearly tell the kid that there is no room at UMD for them so they can choose a different place with the program they want.

Does that mean students who did MCPS/MC dual enrollment can’t get into CS at UMCP?

there are only 100 spots open for CS transfers. It's going to be like a lottery. They have stated that students in L&S need to have a backup major.

https://undergrad.cs.umd.edu/cs-lep-faq-effective-fall-2024

So if you are not wealthy enough to afford college but not poor enough for financial aid, you are stuck competing for only 100 transfer spots? This seems like an equity issue.

No one is owed a specific major. Lots of colleges offer a ton of merit. They are desperate for high achieving kids. Some of them will give you so much aid that it will be cheaper than in state public. You can always pick those schools.

My DC had super high stats, but we are a donut family, so DC did not apply ED to T10 expensive schools, even though that meant that their chances of getting in went down. DC isn't owed that spot just because of finances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Should have specified. Question is about UMCP and what appears to be a change in the admissions rate this year from MCPS.

Don’t confuse admission rate with total number of admits. If there are more applicants but same # of admits, the rate goes down.

Also, you HAVE to ask what program a kid applied to. The limited enrollment programs (computer science, engineering, and business) get soooo many applications and high stat kids may be rejected, where they might have been admitted to a different major,

One thing that DID change this year is how Computer Science is managing enrollment. They are no longer guaranteeing transfers into the major based on a set of criteria (both from internal and external transfers). They are admitting more freshmen this year, but students who would have been admitted to letters and sciences but not the comp science LEP in the past are now just being declined because they won’t be able to transfer into the major. I know people find that frustrating, but I think in the long run it’s better to clearly tell the kid that there is no room at UMD for them so they can choose a different place with the program they want.

Does that mean students who did MCPS/MC dual enrollment can’t get into CS at UMCP?

there are only 100 spots open for CS transfers. It's going to be like a lottery. They have stated that students in L&S need to have a backup major.

https://undergrad.cs.umd.edu/cs-lep-faq-effective-fall-2024

I wonder if all dual enrollment counts as a transfer

Dual enrollment, Early College, MC2, P-tech, etc are all freshman admits, not transfers. Until you have a HS diploma you apply as a freshman and are considered part of the freshman class, even if you have 60+ credits.

Doesn't matter. The rule still applies. If you were not a direct admit to CS, you are a transfer; it applies to internal (DE) and external transfers.

I plan to apply as a freshman for Fall 2024 and have completed the Gateway requirements while I was in high school. Which set of requirements apply to me?
Students who matriculate at UMD as freshmen in Fall 2024 or later must follow these LEP guidelines, regardless of whether or not they have completed transferable coursework, participated in early college programs, and/or participated in dual enrollment programs.