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Anonymous wrote:It would be a dangerous move for opm to rely on telework as the solution for bad weather given the many who can’t telework. I guess the rest of us don’t exist. Yay I get to lose more leave days!

Honestly though it’s on trend for fed govt . I’ve been feeling more and more every year that my non- telework fed job just hates parents and wants us all to quit.

There won’t be enough snow to warrant closing the government. Employees without telework agreements would get a snow day if the weather was worse but it’s been a few years since we’ve had a decent snowstorm.

It’s a joke for those of us who can’t telework- over in the school forums everyone’s saying to get your contingency plan in place because it will be too dangerous for teachers to drive to school but it’s fine for the rest of us to drive to work?

I’m boiling. It is totally unfair. Teachers (public employees, mind you) get a free day while we have to risk our lives either commuting in, burn a day of leave, or try to balance the kids, who’ll want to play in the snow, while productively WFHing. Either OPM needs to reevaluate its priorities and commitment to families, or schools need to be the last service to close.

Stop whining. As feds we get a ton of leave plus more telework than most of our peers. One of the only drawbacks to these perks is we are expected to be prepared to telework during what used to be snow days. Would you rather go back to the office 4/5 days a week like we did 20 years ago? There is nothing unfair about our situation

The feds get tons of leave thing is not fully accurate. Those of us who were feds back when they had no maternity leave (just a few short years ago) have NEVER recovered. Most of us used every single leave hour to try to stay home the basic 12 weeks or used lwop. I had only finally built up a leave balance again when covid hit and none of us got infected in till after they removed special leave for it so my leave was gone when you added up 2 kids getting it separately and myself getting it all at diff times, that was almost 18 days of leave. Oh, and then my mom died. And then my kid got the flu. and then we were finally done with daycare and started public school which has closures practically every two weeks requiring use of leave of paying for camps if you can get it.

So a forced liberal leave day does upset me when it happens.

Please do not perpetuate the myth that all feds have tons of leave there are a lot of us who are struggling. I can barely save up enough. We have never gone on a vacation because I have no leave. All we do at most is a long weekend driving distance. I hate it.

The people I know in the private sector are all doing so much better than the federal employees in their 40s I know in this regard. ALL. The younger employees are far better off then we were if they decide to have families, but they have other challenges with cost-of-living.

You are confusing two things.

Do federal employees get a lot of leave? Yes, absolutely.
Have you personally had reason to use most of that leave? Yes.

Boomer and GenX feds get tons of leave. New feds get 13 days.

We get 26 days per year after 15 years of service plus 13 days of sick leave. That's pretty good! When I take leave, I don't even check my email and all my work is covered, same for my colleagues. So that is different than some of my friends in the private sector who are still expected to work while on leave.

It might be hard the first few years with only 13 days of each, but eventually it will go up, hang in there.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a dangerous move for opm to rely on telework as the solution for bad weather given the many who can’t telework. I guess the rest of us don’t exist. Yay I get to lose more leave days!

Honestly though it’s on trend for fed govt . I’ve been feeling more and more every year that my non- telework fed job just hates parents and wants us all to quit.

There won’t be enough snow to warrant closing the government. Employees without telework agreements would get a snow day if the weather was worse but it’s been a few years since we’ve had a decent snowstorm.

It’s a joke for those of us who can’t telework- over in the school forums everyone’s saying to get your contingency plan in place because it will be too dangerous for teachers to drive to school but it’s fine for the rest of us to drive to work?

I’m boiling. It is totally unfair. Teachers (public employees, mind you) get a free day while we have to risk our lives either commuting in, burn a day of leave, or try to balance the kids, who’ll want to play in the snow, while productively WFHing. Either OPM needs to reevaluate its priorities and commitment to families, or schools need to be the last service to close.

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Stop whining. As feds we get a ton of leave plus more telework than most of our peers. One of the only drawbacks to these perks is we are expected to be prepared to telework during what used to be snow days. Would you rather go back to the office 4/5 days a week like we did 20 years ago? There is nothing unfair about our situation

The feds get tons of leave thing is not fully accurate. Those of us who were feds back when they had no maternity leave (just a few short years ago) have NEVER recovered. Most of us used every single leave hour to try to stay home the basic 12 weeks or used lwop. I had only finally built up a leave balance again when covid hit and none of us got infected in till after they removed special leave for it so my leave was gone when you added up 2 kids getting it separately and myself getting it all at diff times, that was almost 18 days of leave. Oh, and then my mom died. And then my kid got the flu. and then we were finally done with daycare and started public school which has closures practically every two weeks requiring use of leave of paying for camps if you can get it.

So a forced liberal leave day does upset me when it happens.

Please do not perpetuate the myth that all feds have tons of leave there are a lot of us who are struggling. I can barely save up enough. We have never gone on a vacation because I have no leave. All we do at most is a long weekend driving distance. I hate it.

The people I know in the private sector are all doing so much better than the federal employees in their 40s I know in this regard. ALL. The younger employees are far better off then we were if they decide to have families, but they have other challenges with cost-of-living.

You are confusing two things.

Do federal employees get a lot of leave? Yes, absolutely.
Have you personally had reason to use most of that leave? Yes.

Boomer and GenX feds get tons of leave. New feds get 13 days.

We get 26 days per year after 15 years of service plus 13 days of sick leave. That's pretty good! When I take leave, I don't even check my email and all my work is covered, same for my colleagues. So that is different than some of my friends in the private sector who are still expected to work while on leave.

It might be hard the first few years with only 13 days of each, but eventually it will go up, hang in there.

15 years is a long time though! Can you imagine a private sector employer touting a benefit that kicks in after 15 years? My first kid was 3 when I got my first fed job, that's like saying "you'll have lots of time to spend with your family when your kids are grown up!"

Also, my experience is that my work is NOT covered when I'm on vacation. It just piles up. I know some folks who basically have to leave the country or go somewhere without cell reception to actually take leave without being bothered, although fortunately I'm not one of them (have avoided applying for certain specific jobs that require being on call 24/7 in case of emergencies).

Anyway, just arguing because I really don't feel like fed benefits for an early or mid-career worker are anything to write home about. My kids' school is closed for teacher workdays anyway, so I already had pre-approved AL today and don't care about OPM status.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a dangerous move for opm to rely on telework as the solution for bad weather given the many who can’t telework. I guess the rest of us don’t exist. Yay I get to lose more leave days!

Honestly though it’s on trend for fed govt . I’ve been feeling more and more every year that my non- telework fed job just hates parents and wants us all to quit.

There won’t be enough snow to warrant closing the government. Employees without telework agreements would get a snow day if the weather was worse but it’s been a few years since we’ve had a decent snowstorm.

It’s a joke for those of us who can’t telework- over in the school forums everyone’s saying to get your contingency plan in place because it will be too dangerous for teachers to drive to school but it’s fine for the rest of us to drive to work?

I’m boiling. It is totally unfair. Teachers (public employees, mind you) get a free day while we have to risk our lives either commuting in, burn a day of leave, or try to balance the kids, who’ll want to play in the snow, while productively WFHing. Either OPM needs to reevaluate its priorities and commitment to families, or schools need to be the last service to close.

Stop whining. As feds we get a ton of leave plus more telework than most of our peers. One of the only drawbacks to these perks is we are expected to be prepared to telework during what used to be snow days. Would you rather go back to the office 4/5 days a week like we did 20 years ago? There is nothing unfair about our situation

The feds get tons of leave thing is not fully accurate. Those of us who were feds back when they had no maternity leave (just a few short years ago) have NEVER recovered. Most of us used every single leave hour to try to stay home the basic 12 weeks or used lwop. I had only finally built up a leave balance again when covid hit and none of us got infected in till after they removed special leave for it so my leave was gone when you added up 2 kids getting it separately and myself getting it all at diff times, that was almost 18 days of leave. Oh, and then my mom died. And then my kid got the flu. and then we were finally done with daycare and started public school which has closures practically every two weeks requiring use of leave of paying for camps if you can get it.

So a forced liberal leave day does upset me when it happens.

Please do not perpetuate the myth that all feds have tons of leave there are a lot of us who are struggling. I can barely save up enough. We have never gone on a vacation because I have no leave. All we do at most is a long weekend driving distance. I hate it.

The people I know in the private sector are all doing so much better than the federal employees in their 40s I know in this regard. ALL. The younger employees are far better off then we were if they decide to have families, but they have other challenges with cost-of-living.

You are confusing two things.

Do federal employees get a lot of leave? Yes, absolutely.
Have you personally had reason to use most of that leave? Yes.

Boomer and GenX feds get tons of leave. New feds get 13 days.

Show me a policy anywhere where entry level workers get more than three work weeks of (one category) of leave?

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a dangerous move for opm to rely on telework as the solution for bad weather given the many who can’t telework. I guess the rest of us don’t exist. Yay I get to lose more leave days!

Honestly though it’s on trend for fed govt . I’ve been feeling more and more every year that my non- telework fed job just hates parents and wants us all to quit.

There won’t be enough snow to warrant closing the government. Employees without telework agreements would get a snow day if the weather was worse but it’s been a few years since we’ve had a decent snowstorm.

It’s a joke for those of us who can’t telework- over in the school forums everyone’s saying to get your contingency plan in place because it will be too dangerous for teachers to drive to school but it’s fine for the rest of us to drive to work?

I’m boiling. It is totally unfair. Teachers (public employees, mind you) get a free day while we have to risk our lives either commuting in, burn a day of leave, or try to balance the kids, who’ll want to play in the snow, while productively WFHing. Either OPM needs to reevaluate its priorities and commitment to families, or schools need to be the last service to close.

Stop whining. As feds we get a ton of leave plus more telework than most of our peers. One of the only drawbacks to these perks is we are expected to be prepared to telework during what used to be snow days. Would you rather go back to the office 4/5 days a week like we did 20 years ago? There is nothing unfair about our situation

The feds get tons of leave thing is not fully accurate. Those of us who were feds back when they had no maternity leave (just a few short years ago) have NEVER recovered. Most of us used every single leave hour to try to stay home the basic 12 weeks or used lwop. I had only finally built up a leave balance again when covid hit and none of us got infected in till after they removed special leave for it so my leave was gone when you added up 2 kids getting it separately and myself getting it all at diff times, that was almost 18 days of leave. Oh, and then my mom died. And then my kid got the flu. and then we were finally done with daycare and started public school which has closures practically every two weeks requiring use of leave of paying for camps if you can get it.

So a forced liberal leave day does upset me when it happens.

Please do not perpetuate the myth that all feds have tons of leave there are a lot of us who are struggling. I can barely save up enough. We have never gone on a vacation because I have no leave. All we do at most is a long weekend driving distance. I hate it.

The people I know in the private sector are all doing so much better than the federal employees in their 40s I know in this regard. ALL. The younger employees are far better off then we were if they decide to have families, but they have other challenges with cost-of-living.

You are confusing two things.

Do federal employees get a lot of leave? Yes, absolutely.
Have you personally had reason to use most of that leave? Yes.

Boomer and GenX feds get tons of leave. New feds get 13 days.

We get 26 days per year after 15 years of service plus 13 days of sick leave. That's pretty good! When I take leave, I don't even check my email and all my work is covered, same for my colleagues. So that is different than some of my friends in the private sector who are still expected to work while on leave.

It might be hard the first few years with only 13 days of each, but eventually it will go up, hang in there.

That's what I said. The GenXers and Boomers have a ton of leave now that they don't actually need it. The young employees with kids don't get a lot of leave. Particularly those that missed the parental leave start.

And I don't know where you work that you don't work during vacations. The dynamic is the exact opposite with my friends and coworkers. The feds are the ones working.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a dangerous move for opm to rely on telework as the solution for bad weather given the many who can’t telework. I guess the rest of us don’t exist. Yay I get to lose more leave days!

Honestly though it’s on trend for fed govt . I’ve been feeling more and more every year that my non- telework fed job just hates parents and wants us all to quit.

There won’t be enough snow to warrant closing the government. Employees without telework agreements would get a snow day if the weather was worse but it’s been a few years since we’ve had a decent snowstorm.

It’s a joke for those of us who can’t telework- over in the school forums everyone’s saying to get your contingency plan in place because it will be too dangerous for teachers to drive to school but it’s fine for the rest of us to drive to work?

I’m boiling. It is totally unfair. Teachers (public employees, mind you) get a free day while we have to risk our lives either commuting in, burn a day of leave, or try to balance the kids, who’ll want to play in the snow, while productively WFHing. Either OPM needs to reevaluate its priorities and commitment to families, or schools need to be the last service to close.

Stop whining. As feds we get a ton of leave plus more telework than most of our peers. One of the only drawbacks to these perks is we are expected to be prepared to telework during what used to be snow days. Would you rather go back to the office 4/5 days a week like we did 20 years ago? There is nothing unfair about our situation

The feds get tons of leave thing is not fully accurate. Those of us who were feds back when they had no maternity leave (just a few short years ago) have NEVER recovered. Most of us used every single leave hour to try to stay home the basic 12 weeks or used lwop. I had only finally built up a leave balance again when covid hit and none of us got infected in till after they removed special leave for it so my leave was gone when you added up 2 kids getting it separately and myself getting it all at diff times, that was almost 18 days of leave. Oh, and then my mom died. And then my kid got the flu. and then we were finally done with daycare and started public school which has closures practically every two weeks requiring use of leave of paying for camps if you can get it.

So a forced liberal leave day does upset me when it happens.

Please do not perpetuate the myth that all feds have tons of leave there are a lot of us who are struggling. I can barely save up enough. We have never gone on a vacation because I have no leave. All we do at most is a long weekend driving distance. I hate it.

The people I know in the private sector are all doing so much better than the federal employees in their 40s I know in this regard. ALL. The younger employees are far better off then we were if they decide to have families, but they have other challenges with cost-of-living.

You are confusing two things.

Do federal employees get a lot of leave? Yes, absolutely.
Have you personally had reason to use most of that leave? Yes.

Boomer and GenX feds get tons of leave. New feds get 13 days.

Show me a policy anywhere where entry level workers get more than three work weeks of (one category) of leave?

I see you're not familiar with the tech industry.

Heck, even my wife in the medical field started with 15, plus sick.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, I wanted to go into the office for peace and quiet work time during my kids' snow day. Sigh.

Agreed, but they frown on leaving 5 year olds home alone.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a dangerous move for opm to rely on telework as the solution for bad weather given the many who can’t telework. I guess the rest of us don’t exist. Yay I get to lose more leave days!

Honestly though it’s on trend for fed govt . I’ve been feeling more and more every year that my non- telework fed job just hates parents and wants us all to quit.

There won’t be enough snow to warrant closing the government. Employees without telework agreements would get a snow day if the weather was worse but it’s been a few years since we’ve had a decent snowstorm.

It’s a joke for those of us who can’t telework- over in the school forums everyone’s saying to get your contingency plan in place because it will be too dangerous for teachers to drive to school but it’s fine for the rest of us to drive to work?

I’m boiling. It is totally unfair. Teachers (public employees, mind you) get a free day while we have to risk our lives either commuting in, burn a day of leave, or try to balance the kids, who’ll want to play in the snow, while productively WFHing. Either OPM needs to reevaluate its priorities and commitment to families, or schools need to be the last service to close.

Stop whining. As feds we get a ton of leave plus more telework than most of our peers. One of the only drawbacks to these perks is we are expected to be prepared to telework during what used to be snow days. Would you rather go back to the office 4/5 days a week like we did 20 years ago? There is nothing unfair about our situation

The feds get tons of leave thing is not fully accurate. Those of us who were feds back when they had no maternity leave (just a few short years ago) have NEVER recovered. Most of us used every single leave hour to try to stay home the basic 12 weeks or used lwop. I had only finally built up a leave balance again when covid hit and none of us got infected in till after they removed special leave for it so my leave was gone when you added up 2 kids getting it separately and myself getting it all at diff times, that was almost 18 days of leave. Oh, and then my mom died. And then my kid got the flu. and then we were finally done with daycare and started public school which has closures practically every two weeks requiring use of leave of paying for camps if you can get it.

So a forced liberal leave day does upset me when it happens.

Please do not perpetuate the myth that all feds have tons of leave there are a lot of us who are struggling. I can barely save up enough. We have never gone on a vacation because I have no leave. All we do at most is a long weekend driving distance. I hate it.

The people I know in the private sector are all doing so much better than the federal employees in their 40s I know in this regard. ALL. The younger employees are far better off then we were if they decide to have families, but they have other challenges with cost-of-living.

You are confusing two things.

Do federal employees get a lot of leave? Yes, absolutely.
Have you personally had reason to use most of that leave? Yes.

Boomer and GenX feds get tons of leave. New feds get 13 days.

Show me a policy anywhere where entry level workers get more than three work weeks of (one category) of leave?

I see you're not familiar with the tech industry.

Heck, even my wife in the medical field started with 15, plus sick.

Thanks- so some workers in the tech industry get two more days of leave.

I don't think this proves that feds in general get less leave than the rest of the workforce.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a dangerous move for opm to rely on telework as the solution for bad weather given the many who can’t telework. I guess the rest of us don’t exist. Yay I get to lose more leave days!

Honestly though it’s on trend for fed govt . I’ve been feeling more and more every year that my non- telework fed job just hates parents and wants us all to quit.

There won’t be enough snow to warrant closing the government. Employees without telework agreements would get a snow day if the weather was worse but it’s been a few years since we’ve had a decent snowstorm.

It’s a joke for those of us who can’t telework- over in the school forums everyone’s saying to get your contingency plan in place because it will be too dangerous for teachers to drive to school but it’s fine for the rest of us to drive to work?

I’m boiling. It is totally unfair. Teachers (public employees, mind you) get a free day while we have to risk our lives either commuting in, burn a day of leave, or try to balance the kids, who’ll want to play in the snow, while productively WFHing. Either OPM needs to reevaluate its priorities and commitment to families, or schools need to be the last service to close.

ANother difference is that our leave is calculated in 15 minute increments. Train late? You use leave. Need to brig your car in? Leave again. My private sector friends have much more flexible days. They get in at 8 or they get in at 9. No one is adding it up as long as the work is done.

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Stop whining. As feds we get a ton of leave plus more telework than most of our peers. One of the only drawbacks to these perks is we are expected to be prepared to telework during what used to be snow days. Would you rather go back to the office 4/5 days a week like we did 20 years ago? There is nothing unfair about our situation

The feds get tons of leave thing is not fully accurate. Those of us who were feds back when they had no maternity leave (just a few short years ago) have NEVER recovered. Most of us used every single leave hour to try to stay home the basic 12 weeks or used lwop. I had only finally built up a leave balance again when covid hit and none of us got infected in till after they removed special leave for it so my leave was gone when you added up 2 kids getting it separately and myself getting it all at diff times, that was almost 18 days of leave. Oh, and then my mom died. And then my kid got the flu. and then we were finally done with daycare and started public school which has closures practically every two weeks requiring use of leave of paying for camps if you can get it.

So a forced liberal leave day does upset me when it happens.

Please do not perpetuate the myth that all feds have tons of leave there are a lot of us who are struggling. I can barely save up enough. We have never gone on a vacation because I have no leave. All we do at most is a long weekend driving distance. I hate it.

The people I know in the private sector are all doing so much better than the federal employees in their 40s I know in this regard. ALL. The younger employees are far better off then we were if they decide to have families, but they have other challenges with cost-of-living.

You are confusing two things.

Do federal employees get a lot of leave? Yes, absolutely.
Have you personally had reason to use most of that leave? Yes.

Boomer and GenX feds get tons of leave. New feds get 13 days.

We get 26 days per year after 15 years of service plus 13 days of sick leave. That's pretty good! When I take leave, I don't even check my email and all my work is covered, same for my colleagues. So that is different than some of my friends in the private sector who are still expected to work while on leave.

It might be hard the first few years with only 13 days of each, but eventually it will go up, hang in there.

15 years is a long time though! Can you imagine a private sector employer touting a benefit that kicks in after 15 years? My first kid was 3 when I got my first fed job, that's like saying "you'll have lots of time to spend with your family when your kids are grown up!"

Also, my experience is that my work is NOT covered when I'm on vacation. It just piles up. I know some folks who basically have to leave the country or go somewhere without cell reception to actually take leave without being bothered, although fortunately I'm not one of them (have avoided applying for certain specific jobs that require being on call 24/7 in case of emergencies).

Anyway, just arguing because I really don't feel like fed benefits for an early or mid-career worker are anything to write home about. My kids' school is closed for teacher workdays anyway, so I already had pre-approved AL today and don't care about OPM status.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, DCPS just called it CLOSED. When is OPM going to call the ball?

OPM has posted that DC is closed.

What does Bowser think of this? The small businesses of DC needs customers.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a dangerous move for opm to rely on telework as the solution for bad weather given the many who can’t telework. I guess the rest of us don’t exist. Yay I get to lose more leave days!

Honestly though it’s on trend for fed govt . I’ve been feeling more and more every year that my non- telework fed job just hates parents and wants us all to quit.

There won’t be enough snow to warrant closing the government. Employees without telework agreements would get a snow day if the weather was worse but it’s been a few years since we’ve had a decent snowstorm.

It’s a joke for those of us who can’t telework- over in the school forums everyone’s saying to get your contingency plan in place because it will be too dangerous for teachers to drive to school but it’s fine for the rest of us to drive to work?

I’m boiling. It is totally unfair. Teachers (public employees, mind you) get a free day while we have to risk our lives either commuting in, burn a day of leave, or try to balance the kids, who’ll want to play in the snow, while productively WFHing. Either OPM needs to reevaluate its priorities and commitment to families, or schools need to be the last service to close.

Stop whining. As feds we get a ton of leave plus more telework than most of our peers. One of the only drawbacks to these perks is we are expected to be prepared to telework during what used to be snow days. Would you rather go back to the office 4/5 days a week like we did 20 years ago? There is nothing unfair about our situation

The feds get tons of leave thing is not fully accurate. Those of us who were feds back when they had no maternity leave (just a few short years ago) have NEVER recovered. Most of us used every single leave hour to try to stay home the basic 12 weeks or used lwop. I had only finally built up a leave balance again when covid hit and none of us got infected in till after they removed special leave for it so my leave was gone when you added up 2 kids getting it separately and myself getting it all at diff times, that was almost 18 days of leave. Oh, and then my mom died. And then my kid got the flu. and then we were finally done with daycare and started public school which has closures practically every two weeks requiring use of leave of paying for camps if you can get it.

So a forced liberal leave day does upset me when it happens.

Please do not perpetuate the myth that all feds have tons of leave there are a lot of us who are struggling. I can barely save up enough. We have never gone on a vacation because I have no leave. All we do at most is a long weekend driving distance. I hate it.

The people I know in the private sector are all doing so much better than the federal employees in their 40s I know in this regard. ALL. The younger employees are far better off then we were if they decide to have families, but they have other challenges with cost-of-living.

You are confusing two things.

Do federal employees get a lot of leave? Yes, absolutely.
Have you personally had reason to use most of that leave? Yes.

Boomer and GenX feds get tons of leave. New feds get 13 days.

Show me a policy anywhere where entry level workers get more than three work weeks of (one category) of leave?

I see you're not familiar with the tech industry.

Heck, even my wife in the medical field started with 15, plus sick.

Thanks- so some workers in the tech industry get two more days of leave.

I don't think this proves that feds in general get less leave than the rest of the workforce.

I don't think they get less in general. But we shouldn't pretend the fed leave policies are particularly "generous" compared to the private sector. They're not. That is especially true when compared to in-demand fields.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a dangerous move for opm to rely on telework as the solution for bad weather given the many who can’t telework. I guess the rest of us don’t exist. Yay I get to lose more leave days!

Honestly though it’s on trend for fed govt . I’ve been feeling more and more every year that my non- telework fed job just hates parents and wants us all to quit.

There won’t be enough snow to warrant closing the government. Employees without telework agreements would get a snow day if the weather was worse but it’s been a few years since we’ve had a decent snowstorm.

It’s a joke for those of us who can’t telework- over in the school forums everyone’s saying to get your contingency plan in place because it will be too dangerous for teachers to drive to school but it’s fine for the rest of us to drive to work?

I’m boiling. It is totally unfair. Teachers (public employees, mind you) get a free day while we have to risk our lives either commuting in, burn a day of leave, or try to balance the kids, who’ll want to play in the snow, while productively WFHing. Either OPM needs to reevaluate its priorities and commitment to families, or schools need to be the last service to close.

Stop whining. As feds we get a ton of leave plus more telework than most of our peers. One of the only drawbacks to these perks is we are expected to be prepared to telework during what used to be snow days. Would you rather go back to the office 4/5 days a week like we did 20 years ago? There is nothing unfair about our situation

The feds get tons of leave thing is not fully accurate. Those of us who were feds back when they had no maternity leave (just a few short years ago) have NEVER recovered. Most of us used every single leave hour to try to stay home the basic 12 weeks or used lwop. I had only finally built up a leave balance again when covid hit and none of us got infected in till after they removed special leave for it so my leave was gone when you added up 2 kids getting it separately and myself getting it all at diff times, that was almost 18 days of leave. Oh, and then my mom died. And then my kid got the flu. and then we were finally done with daycare and started public school which has closures practically every two weeks requiring use of leave of paying for camps if you can get it.

So a forced liberal leave day does upset me when it happens.

Please do not perpetuate the myth that all feds have tons of leave there are a lot of us who are struggling. I can barely save up enough. We have never gone on a vacation because I have no leave. All we do at most is a long weekend driving distance. I hate it.

The people I know in the private sector are all doing so much better than the federal employees in their 40s I know in this regard. ALL. The younger employees are far better off then we were if they decide to have families, but they have other challenges with cost-of-living.

You are confusing two things.

Do federal employees get a lot of leave? Yes, absolutely.
Have you personally had reason to use most of that leave? Yes.

Boomer and GenX feds get tons of leave. New feds get 13 days.

Show me a policy anywhere where entry level workers get more than three work weeks of (one category) of leave?

That’s easy. At least in my experience, fresh-out-of-law-school attorneys at big law firms get 4 weeks vacation right from the start.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a dangerous move for opm to rely on telework as the solution for bad weather given the many who can’t telework. I guess the rest of us don’t exist. Yay I get to lose more leave days!

Honestly though it’s on trend for fed govt . I’ve been feeling more and more every year that my non- telework fed job just hates parents and wants us all to quit.

There won’t be enough snow to warrant closing the government. Employees without telework agreements would get a snow day if the weather was worse but it’s been a few years since we’ve had a decent snowstorm.

It’s a joke for those of us who can’t telework- over in the school forums everyone’s saying to get your contingency plan in place because it will be too dangerous for teachers to drive to school but it’s fine for the rest of us to drive to work?

I’m boiling. It is totally unfair. Teachers (public employees, mind you) get a free day while we have to risk our lives either commuting in, burn a day of leave, or try to balance the kids, who’ll want to play in the snow, while productively WFHing. Either OPM needs to reevaluate its priorities and commitment to families, or schools need to be the last service to close.

Stop whining. As feds we get a ton of leave plus more telework than most of our peers. One of the only drawbacks to these perks is we are expected to be prepared to telework during what used to be snow days. Would you rather go back to the office 4/5 days a week like we did 20 years ago? There is nothing unfair about our situation

The feds get tons of leave thing is not fully accurate. Those of us who were feds back when they had no maternity leave (just a few short years ago) have NEVER recovered. Most of us used every single leave hour to try to stay home the basic 12 weeks or used lwop. I had only finally built up a leave balance again when covid hit and none of us got infected in till after they removed special leave for it so my leave was gone when you added up 2 kids getting it separately and myself getting it all at diff times, that was almost 18 days of leave. Oh, and then my mom died. And then my kid got the flu. and then we were finally done with daycare and started public school which has closures practically every two weeks requiring use of leave of paying for camps if you can get it.

So a forced liberal leave day does upset me when it happens.

Please do not perpetuate the myth that all feds have tons of leave there are a lot of us who are struggling. I can barely save up enough. We have never gone on a vacation because I have no leave. All we do at most is a long weekend driving distance. I hate it.

The people I know in the private sector are all doing so much better than the federal employees in their 40s I know in this regard. ALL. The younger employees are far better off then we were if they decide to have families, but they have other challenges with cost-of-living.

You are confusing two things.

Do federal employees get a lot of leave? Yes, absolutely.
Have you personally had reason to use most of that leave? Yes.

Boomer and GenX feds get tons of leave. New feds get 13 days.

Show me a policy anywhere where entry level workers get more than three work weeks of (one category) of leave?

That’s easy. At least in my experience, fresh-out-of-law-school attorneys at big law firms get 4 weeks vacation right from the start.

And they never use it all. Trust me, I know.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a dangerous move for opm to rely on telework as the solution for bad weather given the many who can’t telework. I guess the rest of us don’t exist. Yay I get to lose more leave days!

Honestly though it’s on trend for fed govt . I’ve been feeling more and more every year that my non- telework fed job just hates parents and wants us all to quit.

There won’t be enough snow to warrant closing the government. Employees without telework agreements would get a snow day if the weather was worse but it’s been a few years since we’ve had a decent snowstorm.

It’s a joke for those of us who can’t telework- over in the school forums everyone’s saying to get your contingency plan in place because it will be too dangerous for teachers to drive to school but it’s fine for the rest of us to drive to work?

I’m boiling. It is totally unfair. Teachers (public employees, mind you) get a free day while we have to risk our lives either commuting in, burn a day of leave, or try to balance the kids, who’ll want to play in the snow, while productively WFHing. Either OPM needs to reevaluate its priorities and commitment to families, or schools need to be the last service to close.

Stop whining. As feds we get a ton of leave plus more telework than most of our peers. One of the only drawbacks to these perks is we are expected to be prepared to telework during what used to be snow days. Would you rather go back to the office 4/5 days a week like we did 20 years ago? There is nothing unfair about our situation

The feds get tons of leave thing is not fully accurate. Those of us who were feds back when they had no maternity leave (just a few short years ago) have NEVER recovered. Most of us used every single leave hour to try to stay home the basic 12 weeks or used lwop. I had only finally built up a leave balance again when covid hit and none of us got infected in till after they removed special leave for it so my leave was gone when you added up 2 kids getting it separately and myself getting it all at diff times, that was almost 18 days of leave. Oh, and then my mom died. And then my kid got the flu. and then we were finally done with daycare and started public school which has closures practically every two weeks requiring use of leave of paying for camps if you can get it.

So a forced liberal leave day does upset me when it happens.

Please do not perpetuate the myth that all feds have tons of leave there are a lot of us who are struggling. I can barely save up enough. We have never gone on a vacation because I have no leave. All we do at most is a long weekend driving distance. I hate it.

The people I know in the private sector are all doing so much better than the federal employees in their 40s I know in this regard. ALL. The younger employees are far better off then we were if they decide to have families, but they have other challenges with cost-of-living.

You are confusing two things.

Do federal employees get a lot of leave? Yes, absolutely.
Have you personally had reason to use most of that leave? Yes.

Boomer and GenX feds get tons of leave. New feds get 13 days.

Show me a policy anywhere where entry level workers get more than three work weeks of (one category) of leave?

That’s easy. At least in my experience, fresh-out-of-law-school attorneys at big law firms get 4 weeks vacation right from the start.

Oh goodness, this is funny. Lol, here.

--an attorney who has virtually never been able to take her leave.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a dangerous move for opm to rely on telework as the solution for bad weather given the many who can’t telework. I guess the rest of us don’t exist. Yay I get to lose more leave days!

Honestly though it’s on trend for fed govt . I’ve been feeling more and more every year that my non- telework fed job just hates parents and wants us all to quit.

There won’t be enough snow to warrant closing the government. Employees without telework agreements would get a snow day if the weather was worse but it’s been a few years since we’ve had a decent snowstorm.

It’s a joke for those of us who can’t telework- over in the school forums everyone’s saying to get your contingency plan in place because it will be too dangerous for teachers to drive to school but it’s fine for the rest of us to drive to work?

I’m boiling. It is totally unfair. Teachers (public employees, mind you) get a free day while we have to risk our lives either commuting in, burn a day of leave, or try to balance the kids, who’ll want to play in the snow, while productively WFHing. Either OPM needs to reevaluate its priorities and commitment to families, or schools need to be the last service to close.

Stop whining. As feds we get a ton of leave plus more telework than most of our peers. One of the only drawbacks to these perks is we are expected to be prepared to telework during what used to be snow days. Would you rather go back to the office 4/5 days a week like we did 20 years ago? There is nothing unfair about our situation

The feds get tons of leave thing is not fully accurate. Those of us who were feds back when they had no maternity leave (just a few short years ago) have NEVER recovered. Most of us used every single leave hour to try to stay home the basic 12 weeks or used lwop. I had only finally built up a leave balance again when covid hit and none of us got infected in till after they removed special leave for it so my leave was gone when you added up 2 kids getting it separately and myself getting it all at diff times, that was almost 18 days of leave. Oh, and then my mom died. And then my kid got the flu. and then we were finally done with daycare and started public school which has closures practically every two weeks requiring use of leave of paying for camps if you can get it.

So a forced liberal leave day does upset me when it happens.

Please do not perpetuate the myth that all feds have tons of leave there are a lot of us who are struggling. I can barely save up enough. We have never gone on a vacation because I have no leave. All we do at most is a long weekend driving distance. I hate it.

The people I know in the private sector are all doing so much better than the federal employees in their 40s I know in this regard. ALL. The younger employees are far better off then we were if they decide to have families, but they have other challenges with cost-of-living.

Please stop lying. There is no private sector employer with leave accrual as generous as the feds. “Unlimited vacation” is a lie companies made up to stop having to pay out accrued PTO, and people are pressured into taking ~2 weeks a year in many workplaces.

Most private sector jobs don’t have parental leave either and if you could earn more in the private sector with equivalent PTO odds are good you wouldn’t be a fed.

You must not work in an in-demand field if you think the fed leave policies are "generous."

Name in-demand fields that don’t have layoffs, please. Also, name any federal positions that have difficulty hiring? These are incredibly desirable jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a dangerous move for opm to rely on telework as the solution for bad weather given the many who can’t telework. I guess the rest of us don’t exist. Yay I get to lose more leave days!

Honestly though it’s on trend for fed govt . I’ve been feeling more and more every year that my non- telework fed job just hates parents and wants us all to quit.

There won’t be enough snow to warrant closing the government. Employees without telework agreements would get a snow day if the weather was worse but it’s been a few years since we’ve had a decent snowstorm.

It’s a joke for those of us who can’t telework- over in the school forums everyone’s saying to get your contingency plan in place because it will be too dangerous for teachers to drive to school but it’s fine for the rest of us to drive to work?

I’m boiling. It is totally unfair. Teachers (public employees, mind you) get a free day while we have to risk our lives either commuting in, burn a day of leave, or try to balance the kids, who’ll want to play in the snow, while productively WFHing. Either OPM needs to reevaluate its priorities and commitment to families, or schools need to be the last service to close.

Stop whining. As feds we get a ton of leave plus more telework than most of our peers. One of the only drawbacks to these perks is we are expected to be prepared to telework during what used to be snow days. Would you rather go back to the office 4/5 days a week like we did 20 years ago? There is nothing unfair about our situation

The feds get tons of leave thing is not fully accurate. Those of us who were feds back when they had no maternity leave (just a few short years ago) have NEVER recovered. Most of us used every single leave hour to try to stay home the basic 12 weeks or used lwop. I had only finally built up a leave balance again when covid hit and none of us got infected in till after they removed special leave for it so my leave was gone when you added up 2 kids getting it separately and myself getting it all at diff times, that was almost 18 days of leave. Oh, and then my mom died. And then my kid got the flu. and then we were finally done with daycare and started public school which has closures practically every two weeks requiring use of leave of paying for camps if you can get it.

So a forced liberal leave day does upset me when it happens.

Please do not perpetuate the myth that all feds have tons of leave there are a lot of us who are struggling. I can barely save up enough. We have never gone on a vacation because I have no leave. All we do at most is a long weekend driving distance. I hate it.

The people I know in the private sector are all doing so much better than the federal employees in their 40s I know in this regard. ALL. The younger employees are far better off then we were if they decide to have families, but they have other challenges with cost-of-living.

You are confusing two things.

Do federal employees get a lot of leave? Yes, absolutely.
Have you personally had reason to use most of that leave? Yes.

Boomer and GenX feds get tons of leave. New feds get 13 days.

Oh please. You get 6 hours of vacation every pay period after 3 years. And 4 hours of sick leave per pay period is standard in the private sector if not generous. The starting vacation accrual in the federal government is on-par with the private sector.

Let’s be real: there is NO other profession where you can start out making nearly 60k with a bachelor’s degree and no real skills, then get promoted non-competitively to GS-13 or even 14.

The vast majority people who whine about federal benefits are completely delusional about both the private sector and about their own employability therein, hence the people on this forum claiming that new big law associates get four weeks of vacation (lol) and that private sector folks don’t have to track their hours (news to anyone who’s ever had to bill clients).