The end of the U.S. university: “degree optional”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a timely article out today. Some highlights:

"Nearly half of US companies intend to eliminate Bachelor's degree requirements for some job positions next year, a new survey has revealed.

And 55 percent said they'd already eliminated degree requirements this year, according to an Intelligent.com survey of 800 US employers, carried out in November.

It comes after Walmart, IBM, Accenture, Bank of America and Google announced similar plans.

For example, Accenture launched an apprenticeship program in 2016 through which it has since hired 1,200 people, CNBC reported.

INDUSTRIES DROPPING DEGREE REQUIREMENT
Information services: 72%

Software: 62%

Finance and insurance: 61%

Construction: 55%

Healthcare and social assistance: 42%

Education: 35%


Some 80 percent of those people joined the company without a four-year-degree.

Earlier this year, the company expanded the program with the goal of filling 20 percent of its US entry-level roles.

Among the 55 percent of companies who eliminated bachelor's degree requirements, 70 percent did so for entry-level roles, 61 percent for mid-level roles and 45 percent for senior roles.

And of the 95 percent of employers who have bachelor's degree requirements, 24 percent require these degrees for three-quarters of their jobs and 27 percent say they require a degree for about half of their positions."

The last sentence seems written poorly...I gather that is 95% of the 45% of companies that have not eliminated bachelor's degree requirements.

What people seem to missing in this discussion is that doing away with degree and education requirements makes it easier to hire immigrants and offshore workers who are not in the US, and to lower overall wages across the board in the US. If you are fine with that, then great.

But yes everyone, please carry on with your crusade to kill higher education and any ability to think critically and analytically in the US. I personally think it’s propaganda created and fueled by the elite powers that be, to make it even easier to create a cheaper and broader workforce that extends outside our borders.

Which is already the case but now will be even easier bc hey, why pay MBA-Tina $125k to do a job that Rajithanarayan over in India (who DOES have a degree btw) will accept $35k to do. This is what is happening every day in corporate America, and non-degreed American workers are being replaced by cheaper DEGREED workers in India and the Philippines. The irony is hilarious. But hey, what do I know?!

This extends to the trades too, as evidenced by the many road and home construction crews I see every day that appear to be of Hispanic origin. Go to the Home Depot Pro dept at 7am and look around. Heck, my own plumber doesn’t even speak English, and neither did the paint crew who just did my house this summer. My roofers during Covid were also Hispanic. My Nextdoor app is filled with self-advertisements from carpenters and woodworkers who are not native born Americans.

So taking up a trade isn’t a foolproof path either in America these days.

[Anonymous]

This is a natural extension of the effort to dumb down college by undermining test scores. Why is everyone surprised, or up in arms? You got what you wanted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a timely article out today. Some highlights:

"Nearly half of US companies intend to eliminate Bachelor's degree requirements for some job positions next year, a new survey has revealed.

And 55 percent said they'd already eliminated degree requirements this year, according to an Intelligent.com survey of 800 US employers, carried out in November.

It comes after Walmart, IBM, Accenture, Bank of America and Google announced similar plans.

For example, Accenture launched an apprenticeship program in 2016 through which it has since hired 1,200 people, CNBC reported.

INDUSTRIES DROPPING DEGREE REQUIREMENT
Information services: 72%

Software: 62%

Finance and insurance: 61%

Construction: 55%

Healthcare and social assistance: 42%

Education: 35%


Some 80 percent of those people joined the company without a four-year-degree.

Earlier this year, the company expanded the program with the goal of filling 20 percent of its US entry-level roles.

Among the 55 percent of companies who eliminated bachelor's degree requirements, 70 percent did so for entry-level roles, 61 percent for mid-level roles and 45 percent for senior roles.

And of the 95 percent of employers who have bachelor's degree requirements, 24 percent require these degrees for three-quarters of their jobs and 27 percent say they require a degree for about half of their positions."

The last sentence seems written poorly...I gather that is 95% of the 45% of companies that have not eliminated bachelor's degree requirements.

What people seem to missing in this discussion is that doing away with degree and education requirements makes it easier to hire immigrants and offshore workers who are not in the US, and to lower overall wages across the board in the US. If you are fine with that, then great.

But yes everyone, please carry on with your crusade to kill higher education and any ability to think critically and analytically in the US. I personally think it’s propaganda created and fueled by the elite powers that be, to make it even easier to create a cheaper and broader workforce that extends outside our borders.

Which is already the case but now will be even easier bc hey, why pay MBA-Tina $125k to do a job that Rajithanarayan over in India (who DOES have a degree btw) will accept $35k to do. This is what is happening every day in corporate America, and non-degreed American workers are being replaced by cheaper DEGREED workers in India and the Philippines. The irony is hilarious. But hey, what do I know?!

This extends to the trades too, as evidenced by the many road and home construction crews I see every day that appear to be of Hispanic origin. Go to the Home Depot Pro dept at 7am and look around. Heck, my own plumber doesn’t even speak English, and neither did the paint crew who just did my house this summer. My roofers during Covid were also Hispanic. My Nextdoor app is filled with self-advertisements from carpenters and woodworkers who are not native born Americans.

So taking up a trade isn’t a foolproof path either in America these days.

Americans aren’t taking up trades. Literally, no contractor or landscaping business could survive if they didn’t hire Latino crews. These are not low-cost contracting firms either. If they could hire American crews they would.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will say this. I have managed several teams during my career. I have worked in lots of different types of environments, both with hourly and salaried workers. Generally speaking, there is a different type of mentality among people who have been college educated. I’m not saying they’re better or worse than any other worker, I’m simply pointing out that there is a marked difference in how they think versus people who have not received college education.

And it’s not about intelligence. I think it’s moreso a lack of exposure to broader perspectives about things. I have found that it’s harder to train uneducated workers from hourly backgrounds. IME they have found it more difficult to grasp abstract and nonlinear concepts and tasks. I’m sure there are exceptions somewhere, but this is my experience.

If someone is fine limiting their knowledge in life and accepts that, I do not judge them for that. But I do think it’s shortsighted as a modern society to say that college education is worthless and should be minimized or done away with, or reserved for a select few. I am not aware of any safe, successful, productive countries that are devaluing lower or higher education.

Agree! Well said!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a timely article out today. Some highlights:

"Nearly half of US companies intend to eliminate Bachelor's degree requirements for some job positions next year, a new survey has revealed.

And 55 percent said they'd already eliminated degree requirements this year, according to an Intelligent.com survey of 800 US employers, carried out in November.

It comes after Walmart, IBM, Accenture, Bank of America and Google announced similar plans.

For example, Accenture launched an apprenticeship program in 2016 through which it has since hired 1,200 people, CNBC reported.

INDUSTRIES DROPPING DEGREE REQUIREMENT
Information services: 72%

Software: 62%

Finance and insurance: 61%

Construction: 55%

Healthcare and social assistance: 42%

Education: 35%


Some 80 percent of those people joined the company without a four-year-degree.

Earlier this year, the company expanded the program with the goal of filling 20 percent of its US entry-level roles.

Among the 55 percent of companies who eliminated bachelor's degree requirements, 70 percent did so for entry-level roles, 61 percent for mid-level roles and 45 percent for senior roles.

And of the 95 percent of employers who have bachelor's degree requirements, 24 percent require these degrees for three-quarters of their jobs and 27 percent say they require a degree for about half of their positions."

The last sentence seems written poorly...I gather that is 95% of the 45% of companies that have not eliminated bachelor's degree requirements.

What people seem to missing in this discussion is that doing away with degree and education requirements makes it easier to hire immigrants and offshore workers who are not in the US, and to lower overall wages across the board in the US. If you are fine with that, then great.

But yes everyone, please carry on with your crusade to kill higher education and any ability to think critically and analytically in the US. I personally think it’s propaganda created and fueled by the elite powers that be, to make it even easier to create a cheaper and broader workforce that extends outside our borders.

Which is already the case but now will be even easier bc hey, why pay MBA-Tina $125k to do a job that Rajithanarayan over in India (who DOES have a degree btw) will accept $35k to do. This is what is happening every day in corporate America, and non-degreed American workers are being replaced by cheaper DEGREED workers in India and the Philippines. The irony is hilarious. But hey, what do I know?!

Anything that can be offshored can be replaced by AI…those will be the first jobs automated.

BTW, 90% of the “college” educated Indians graduated from the equivalent of mail-order schools. Their degrees are completely worthless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Call me when McKinsey starts recruiting for associates at high schools

Who wants to work for those douche bags?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a natural extension of the effort to dumb down college by undermining test scores. Why is everyone surprised, or up in arms? You got what you wanted.

If only we could figure out which of our two political parties is backing this dumbing-down of the United States?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a timely article out today. Some highlights:

"Nearly half of US companies intend to eliminate Bachelor's degree requirements for some job positions next year, a new survey has revealed.

And 55 percent said they'd already eliminated degree requirements this year, according to an Intelligent.com survey of 800 US employers, carried out in November.

It comes after Walmart, IBM, Accenture, Bank of America and Google announced similar plans.

For example, Accenture launched an apprenticeship program in 2016 through which it has since hired 1,200 people, CNBC reported.

INDUSTRIES DROPPING DEGREE REQUIREMENT
Information services: 72%

Software: 62%

Finance and insurance: 61%

Construction: 55%

Healthcare and social assistance: 42%

Education: 35%


Some 80 percent of those people joined the company without a four-year-degree.

Earlier this year, the company expanded the program with the goal of filling 20 percent of its US entry-level roles.

Among the 55 percent of companies who eliminated bachelor's degree requirements, 70 percent did so for entry-level roles, 61 percent for mid-level roles and 45 percent for senior roles.

And of the 95 percent of employers who have bachelor's degree requirements, 24 percent require these degrees for three-quarters of their jobs and 27 percent say they require a degree for about half of their positions."

The last sentence seems written poorly...I gather that is 95% of the 45% of companies that have not eliminated bachelor's degree requirements.

What people seem to missing in this discussion is that doing away with degree and education requirements makes it easier to hire immigrants and offshore workers who are not in the US, and to lower overall wages across the board in the US. If you are fine with that, then great.

But yes everyone, please carry on with your crusade to kill higher education and any ability to think critically and analytically in the US. I personally think it’s propaganda created and fueled by the elite powers that be, to make it even easier to create a cheaper and broader workforce that extends outside our borders.

Which is already the case but now will be even easier bc hey, why pay MBA-Tina $125k to do a job that Rajithanarayan over in India (who DOES have a degree btw) will accept $35k to do. This is what is happening every day in corporate America, and non-degreed American workers are being replaced by cheaper DEGREED workers in India and the Philippines. The irony is hilarious. But hey, what do I know?!

Yes, especially to the part in bold.

[Anonymous]

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The intro at that page reads:

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Why does this sound familiar?