The end of the U.S. university: “degree optional”

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's a great move by companies as it will allow more access to professional jobs.
I don't think it will dramatically shift the US culture of valuing a college degree anytime soon. In a million ways, college experiences create an advantage for those who attend over those who don't. Think about the hs kids who went away to college, vs those who only attended community college or who never went. Put them both in a boardroom. Who wins?

Ah the DCUM bias against any trades feeling they are not professional.

As soon as the executive bathroom is broken, I promise the C-Suite occupant will appreciate the woman who went to trade school, apprenticed to be a journey woman plumber, who now owns her own business and is able to fixer the sh**ter!

[Anonymous]

Where will we get our thought leaders (the people who have a knack for always throwing out “good” ideas but disappearing when actual work needs to be done) from?!?

[Anonymous]

DH said that not all kids should go to college. I said, "yes, that's true. Will you be telling our kids to not go to college? " He said, "no".

Who on here is going to be the first to tell their kids to not bother with college?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DH said that not all kids should go to college. I said, "yes, that's true. Will you be telling our kids to not go to college? " He said, "no".

Who on here is going to be the first to tell their kids to not bother with college?

Of my parents' three children, two went to college. Or my two kids, one will and the other is a maybe.

I know it's a mind-blowing thought for you but not every UMC kid goes to college or graduates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DH said that not all kids should go to college. I said, "yes, that's true. Will you be telling our kids to not go to college? " He said, "no".

Who on here is going to be the first to tell their kids to not bother with college?

Our DD was seriously considering no college. APs, just under 4.0 GPA, student government, athlete, 4H. She wanted to fly and was considering enlisting for the US Army’s Warrant Officer Aviation Program (aka high school to flight school). In the end she wanted to fly fast movers and while a freshman in college received a guaranteed flight slot in the USMC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DH said that not all kids should go to college. I said, "yes, that's true. Will you be telling our kids to not go to college? " He said, "no".

Who on here is going to be the first to tell their kids to not bother with college?

Of my parents' three children, two went to college. Or my two kids, one will and the other is a maybe.

I know it's a mind-blowing thought for you but not every UMC kid goes to college or graduates.

you missed the point, but ok, that's nice for your DC.

Also, your UMC kid has family money to fall back on. My kids don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In pursuit of equity, most top corporations intend to implement a “college/university degree optional” clause for all employee hiring within the next 5 years.

With the elimination of degree requirements, why bother with the expense and time to earn a college degree?

I don't see degree as a need but college education builds foundation for personal and professional development.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's a great move by companies as it will allow more access to professional jobs.
I don't think it will dramatically shift the US culture of valuing a college degree anytime soon. In a million ways, college experiences create an advantage for those who attend over those who don't. Think about the hs kids who went away to college, vs those who only attended community college or who never went. Put them both in a boardroom. Who wins?

My kid has a welder/CNC-fabricator. Put him in a machine shop with a Wharton School MBA, have both build automated package handling systems for an Amazon distribution center.

Who wins?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In pursuit of equity, most top corporations intend to implement a “college/university degree optional” clause for all employee hiring within the next 5 years.

With the elimination of degree requirements, why bother with the expense and time to earn a college degree?

I don't see degree as a need but college education builds foundation for personal and professional development.

No, more than anything else, college builds student loan debt, poor credit scores, and bad judgement

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DH said that not all kids should go to college. I said, "yes, that's true. Will you be telling our kids to not go to college? " He said, "no".

Who on here is going to be the first to tell their kids to not bother with college?

I was adamant our older son go into skilled trades - in his case, plumbing. At least one of them needs to be successful. His younger brother is pissing away our home equity 11 semesters into a never ending quest for a BA in ……. something

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In pursuit of equity, most top corporations intend to implement a “college/university degree optional” clause for all employee hiring within the next 5 years.

With the elimination of degree requirements, why bother with the expense and time to earn a college degree?

I don't see degree as a need but college education builds foundation for personal and professional development.

No, more than anything else, college builds student loan debt, poor credit scores, and bad judgement

College leads to a degree which is still the preference of the vast majority of employers for jobs that you would actually want you kid to do

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's a great move by companies as it will allow more access to professional jobs.
I don't think it will dramatically shift the US culture of valuing a college degree anytime soon. In a million ways, college experiences create an advantage for those who attend over those who don't. Think about the hs kids who went away to college, vs those who only attended community college or who never went. Put them both in a boardroom. Who wins?

My kid has a welder/CNC-fabricator. Put him in a machine shop with a Wharton School MBA, have both build automated package handling systems for an Amazon distribution center.

Who wins?

The Wharton grad who consults about process and walks away with 50x whatever the CNC operator can get away with charging

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DH said that not all kids should go to college. I said, "yes, that's true. Will you be telling our kids to not go to college? " He said, "no".

Who on here is going to be the first to tell their kids to not bother with college?

Of my parents' three children, two went to college. Or my two kids, one will and the other is a maybe.

I know it's a mind-blowing thought for you but not every UMC kid goes to college or graduates.

you missed the point, but ok, that's nice for your DC.

Also, your UMC kid has family money to fall back on. My kids don't.

Uh no. They sure don't. We didn't and my kids won't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In pursuit of equity, most top corporations intend to implement a “college/university degree optional” clause for all employee hiring within the next 5 years.

With the elimination of degree requirements, why bother with the expense and time to earn a college degree?

I don't see degree as a need but college education builds foundation for personal and professional development.

No, more than anything else, college builds student loan debt, poor credit scores, and bad judgement

College leads to a degree which is still the preference of the vast majority of employers for jobs that you would actually want you kid to do

Not anymore. Everything is changed, everything is broken. Including a bachelor's degree.

[Anonymous]

Most people who don't at least have a couple years of college typically don't know enough to do many jobs. Some with only a hs degree will, but many won't.

Think it's a great idea, and I have a master's degree. More people will be able to work themselves up from the bottom rung, like they did before I was born - like my parents did. Most may need to go back for a degree or training during their career.

It may not bode well for rural colleges and universities, but most state schools or those in urban areas will be fine.