No Hall Sweeps?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a hs teacher in a big school. Admins don't want to punish students for loitering and it usually falls to the teacher. Most students that are in the hallways are minorities, so it can be equity issue. Many teachers do not often go to their post for hallway duties (sometimes they are overwhelmed, sometimes not). It becomes a norm.

This. I literally had a security guard tell me today that he can’t make the kids go to class. He was sitting on the bench in the hallway on his phone. I wanted to say “that is literally your job!” I don’t understand why security doesn’t get “observed” like us teachers and evaluated on a Standards based rubric.

But I don’t agree how kids being a minority has any impact on this issue. No kid—no matter their ethnicity—should be permitted to just roam around the school and attend class when they feel like it.

Except that isn't "literally his job." A security guard's job is maintaining the security and safety of the building and students. Getting kids to class or assigning consequences isn't their job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a hs teacher in a big school. Admins don't want to punish students for loitering and it usually falls to the teacher. Most students that are in the hallways are minorities, so it can be equity issue. Many teachers do not often go to their post for hallway duties (sometimes they are overwhelmed, sometimes not). It becomes a norm.

This. I literally had a security guard tell me today that he can’t make the kids go to class. He was sitting on the bench in the hallway on his phone. I wanted to say “that is literally your job!” I don’t understand why security doesn’t get “observed” like us teachers and evaluated on a Standards based rubric.

But I don’t agree how kids being a minority has any impact on this issue. No kid—no matter their ethnicity—should be permitted to just roam around the school and attend class when they feel like it.

Except that isn't "literally his job." A security guard's job is maintaining the security and safety of the building and students. Getting kids to class or assigning consequences isn't their job.

Except kids being in the halls unsupervised IS a security issue. Assigning consequences, no. Making sure kids are in classes, yes. That is literally their job.

[Anonymous]

How can he make them go up class? He can’t touch them and there seems to be no consequences if they don’t go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How can he make them go up class? He can’t touch them and there seems to be no consequences if they don’t go.

This is the conundrum. We need to figure out a real solution for this because until then, we're all helpless to this hellish status quo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How can he make them go up class? He can’t touch them and there seems to be no consequences if they don’t go.

It’s called using your physical presence. They teach educators to use proximity to redirect students… Literally moving towards students in the hall is better than sitting and being on your phone as a security guard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How can he make them go up class? He can’t touch them and there seems to be no consequences if they don’t go.

It’s called using your physical presence. They teach educators to use proximity to redirect students… Literally moving towards students in the hall is better than sitting and being on your phone as a security guard.

You've obviously never taught in a school with students who are highly reactive. You never get in their personal space unless you want to be attacked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How can he make them go up class? He can’t touch them and there seems to be no consequences if they don’t go.

It’s called using your physical presence. They teach educators to use proximity to redirect students… Literally moving towards students in the hall is better than sitting and being on your phone as a security guard.

You've obviously never taught in a school with students who are highly reactive. You never get in their personal space unless you want to be attacked.

Actually, I do teach in one of those schools. There are ways that you can get close to students in a way that’s not threatening. You can build relationships and be firm about going to class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a hs teacher in a big school. Admins don't want to punish students for loitering and it usually falls to the teacher. Most students that are in the hallways are minorities, so it can be equity issue. Many teachers do not often go to their post for hallway duties (sometimes they are overwhelmed, sometimes not). It becomes a norm.

This. I literally had a security guard tell me today that he can’t make the kids go to class. He was sitting on the bench in the hallway on his phone. I wanted to say “that is literally your job!” I don’t understand why security doesn’t get “observed” like us teachers and evaluated on a Standards based rubric.

But I don’t agree how kids being a minority has any impact on this issue. No kid—no matter their ethnicity—should be permitted to just roam around the school and attend class when they feel like it.

Except that isn't "literally his job." A security guard's job is maintaining the security and safety of the building and students. Getting kids to class or assigning consequences isn't their job.

Except kids being in the halls unsupervised IS a security issue. Assigning consequences, no. Making sure kids are in classes, yes. That is literally their job.

We have two. One does walk certain kids to class. These are the low hanging fruit stragglers and skippers. They don’t really want to go to class, but they don’t want a phone call home or lunch detention. They love the attention from the security guard. However, she doesn’t bother with the harder kids who curse adults out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How can he make them go up class? He can’t touch them and there seems to be no consequences if they don’t go.

It’s called using your physical presence. They teach educators to use proximity to redirect students… Literally moving towards students in the hall is better than sitting and being on your phone as a security guard.

You've obviously never taught in a school with students who are highly reactive. You never get in their personal space unless you want to be attacked.

Actually, I do teach in one of those schools. There are ways that you can get close to students in a way that’s not threatening. You can build relationships and be firm about going to class.

I teach in Baltimore and you just don't do this. You also don't make sudden movements or hold eye contact too long. We have had quite a few de-escalation PDs because it just isn't safe to use your physical presence like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How can he make them go up class? He can’t touch them and there seems to be no consequences if they don’t go.

It’s called using your physical presence. They teach educators to use proximity to redirect students… Literally moving towards students in the hall is better than sitting and being on your phone as a security guard.

This sounds like a recipe for getting physically assaulted. Have you seen these children these days? They don't think twice about putting on their peers, much less adults. I can link you to dozens of news stories that back that up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How can he make them go up class? He can’t touch them and there seems to be no consequences if they don’t go.

This is exactly the problem. The kids know there are zero consequences and so they (naturally) push the limits.

[Anonymous]

The adults at the schools where raised without consequences and now they are in charge. They don't see it as a problem. Just stay away from those schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How can he make them go up class? He can’t touch them and there seems to be no consequences if they don’t go.

It’s called using your physical presence. They teach educators to use proximity to redirect students… Literally moving towards students in the hall is better than sitting and being on your phone as a security guard.

You've obviously never taught in a school with students who are highly reactive. You never get in their personal space unless you want to be attacked.

If you are that scared of teens you need a new job. They will behave that way because it works. Tell them to go home if they will not attend class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The adults at the schools where raised without consequences and now they are in charge. They don't see it as a problem. Just stay away from those schools.

Our principal and some staff prefer to be friends with the kids. Thank goodness for the few teachers who are true teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a hs teacher in a big school. Admins don't want to punish students for loitering and it usually falls to the teacher. Most students that are in the hallways are minorities, so it can be equity issue. Many teachers do not often go to their post for hallway duties (sometimes they are overwhelmed, sometimes not). It becomes a norm.

This. I literally had a security guard tell me today that he can’t make the kids go to class. He was sitting on the bench in the hallway on his phone. I wanted to say “that is literally your job!” I don’t understand why security doesn’t get “observed” like us teachers and evaluated on a Standards based rubric.

But I don’t agree how kids being a minority has any impact on this issue. No kid—no matter their ethnicity—should be permitted to just roam around the school and attend class when they feel like it.

Except that isn't "literally his job." A security guard's job is maintaining the security and safety of the building and students. Getting kids to class or assigning consequences isn't their job.

Except kids being in the halls unsupervised IS a security issue. Assigning consequences, no. Making sure kids are in classes, yes. That is literally their job.

We have two. One does walk certain kids to class. These are the low hanging fruit stragglers and skippers. They don’t really want to go to class, but they don’t want a phone call home or lunch detention. They love the attention from the security guard. However, she doesn’t bother with the harder kids who curse adults out.

They curse because it works.