Quiet kids as table buffers for louder kids

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your quiet kids are not “buffers” - they are just getting assigned to wherever they get assigned to. I get that you dislike the “loud”
kids and think they get special treatment, but your “quiet” kid does not deserve special treatment either.

Well, no. Kids are sent to school to learn. Your loud kid has no right to keep my kid from hearing the teacher. My quiet child is not keeping your child from learning.

Your boring kid isn’t contributing much to the discussion so they aren’t helping my kid learn either

It’s not a discussion if the teacher is giving a lecture. My “boring” child contributes. She raises her hand and waits to be called on. She doesn’t believe that her desire to speak allows her to interrupt the teacher or talk over other students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Listening to all these parents in here defending their kid’s poor behavior is exactly why great teachers are leaving the profession in droves and education is going in the toilet.

It is sad that kids aren’t able to cope being around other kids who act like kids. I don’t remember silent classrooms where nobody ever talked.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Listening to all these parents in here defending their kid’s poor behavior is exactly why great teachers are leaving the profession in droves and education is going in the toilet.

It is sad that kids aren’t able to cope being around other kids who act like kids. I don’t remember silent classrooms where nobody ever talked.

You are being deliberately obtuse and argumentative. That’s not what we are talking about and you know it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Listening to all these parents in here defending their kid’s poor behavior is exactly why great teachers are leaving the profession in droves and education is going in the toilet.

It is sad that kids aren’t able to cope being around other kids who act like kids. I don’t remember silent classrooms where nobody ever talked.

You are being deliberately obtuse and argumentative. That’s not what we are talking about and you know it.

Are you sure? The name calling of kids in here makes this whole thread a joke and impossibly to take seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah totally different in HS. Everyone is sorted into their tracks. So your quiet/smart/diligent student will be sorted with the same cohort.

Elementary is a totally different animal, where kids on many different learning levels are in the same class.

Hopefully that helps, unless you were just trying to get everyone roiled up? But yes, placement for 16 yr olds getting ready to apply to college is very different from placement for 8 year olds.

Talkative kids can’t be smart and diligent?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Listening to all these parents in here defending their kid’s poor behavior is exactly why great teachers are leaving the profession in droves and education is going in the toilet.

It is sad that kids aren’t able to cope being around other kids who act like kids. I don’t remember silent classrooms where nobody ever talked.

You are being deliberately obtuse and argumentative. That’s not what we are talking about and you know it.

Are you sure? The name calling of kids in here makes this whole thread a joke and impossibly to take seriously.

It's sad that the parents in this discussion are behaving worse than all the kids we are talking about....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What does this mean?

Assigned seating in class or at lunch where well behaved kids are sprinkled amongst the troublemakers.

I mean, isn't that just how assigned seating works? Or are you suggesting labeling each kid as well-behaved or trouble maker and segregating accordingly? Hopefully you realize how silly that sounds.

Not silly at all- common. For example at a table of four a teacher will put: 2 well behaved girls and one quiet boy with a troublemaking boy. Never more than one troublemaker together. It is pretty obvious.

It works fairly well as long as there aren’t more than four trouble makers in the class and you can separate them to corners of the room. Once you have a troublemaker at every table, it is useless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the issue is a teaching style in the early grades that is not appropriate for a lot of kids and a teaching workforce for early elementary that is dominated by women who don't have a clue how to engage a different type of personality beyond the quiet and well-behaved girl who can sit for long stretches stereotype.

NP. I think this is it. When we went to school, desks were spaced apart and there was a lot of time spent listening to the teacher and doing work quietly, from 1st grade on. Not a lot of movement in the classroom or brain breaks (but a decently long recess). Now kids are seated at tables, with small groups, stations/workshops, lots of transitions, and the best classroom is noisy and chaotic, in 1st-3rd and on.

We aren't teaching children (including through punishment) the right way to have self-control. Some students have it naturally but the others, who would learn it if taught, are gaining it more slowly.

What's the problem with boys? It's low expectations. Everyone expects them to be behind the girls, to be the troublemakers. So they are. Instead of teaching them to be studious, we are not teaching them to sit still and listen.

[Anonymous]

This whole conversation sounds like ward 8 moms racing to the bottom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have been on both sides of this.

As a teacher, yes I always did this.

As a parent I have been annoyed as my child has been used as a buffer child consistently.

I am not sure what you think the alternative is though?

I haven't always done it. Some kids like to remind others to be quiet or not to throw things etc. or have the personality to not get rattled. My kid is the opposite, he gets worked up by misbehavior because he is very serious about schoolwork and rule bound (for now) after a couple bad years in early elementary I started telling teachers not to use him to model behavior, it worked after that and he is not intentionally placed near kids who actively try to disrupt learning.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been on both sides of this.

As a teacher, yes I always did this.

As a parent I have been annoyed as my child has been used as a buffer child consistently.

I am not sure what you think the alternative is though?

I have the kid who won't stop talking and I ask that she not be put near people she would prefer to talk to. Keeps her quiet, she won't bug her neighbor, and everyone can focus on their work better. Why does this bother the "buffer"? They weren't going to misbehave or talk either way so the end result is the same for them. But now the classroom has less chatter.

Did it occur to you to teach your kid how to behave in a classroom setting?

Well, she has ADHD, so how could I "teach" her to do that?

Proper medication.

Why not give your kid anxiety medication if they can’t handle sitting next to a child who talks a lot? Why should we have to medicate our kids to please your kid? (Different poster)

You medicate your kid to help them to focus and learn better. That is in their best interest.

It’s in your child’s best interest to manage her anxiety and learn to deal with uncertain or uncomfortable social situations.

Of course, if you help her do that, she might discover that she can handle difficult things, and she isn’t as “quiet and shy” as her parents always insisted she was.

Not being able to hear over the disruptive kids has nothing to do with anxiety. That was not even a good try on your part, just lazy. Huh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have been on both sides of this.

As a teacher, yes I always did this.

As a parent I have been annoyed as my child has been used as a buffer child consistently.

I am not sure what you think the alternative is though?

I have the kid who won't stop talking and I ask that she not be put near people she would prefer to talk to. Keeps her quiet, she won't bug her neighbor, and everyone can focus on their work better. Why does this bother the "buffer"? They weren't going to misbehave or talk either way so the end result is the same for them. But now the classroom has less chatter.

Did it occur to you to teach your kid how to behave in a classroom setting?

Well, she has ADHD, so how could I "teach" her to do that?

Proper medication.

Gee whiz. If it only it made her shut up and never talk. She already has preferential seating nearest the teacher with other kids like her. We're doing our best. Sorry your goody two shoes has to be inconvenienced once in awhile.

So for those asking, this sounds like one alternative for teachers- put all the kids that talk a lot nearest teacher. That makes more sense to me with idea teacher can have eyes on them v splitting them around room, but admittedly not a teacher.

The teachers are not there to babysit, but the troublemaker parents want that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have been on both sides of this.

As a teacher, yes I always did this.

As a parent I have been annoyed as my child has been used as a buffer child consistently.

I am not sure what you think the alternative is though?

I have the kid who won't stop talking and I ask that she not be put near people she would prefer to talk to. Keeps her quiet, she won't bug her neighbor, and everyone can focus on their work better. Why does this bother the "buffer"? They weren't going to misbehave or talk either way so the end result is the same for them. But now the classroom has less chatter.

Did it occur to you to teach your kid how to behave in a classroom setting?

Well, she has ADHD, so how could I "teach" her to do that?

Proper medication.

Gee whiz. If it only it made her shut up and never talk. She already has preferential seating nearest the teacher with other kids like her. We're doing our best. Sorry your goody two shoes has to be inconvenienced once in awhile.

So for those asking, this sounds like one alternative for teachers- put all the kids that talk a lot nearest teacher. That makes more sense to me with idea teacher can have eyes on them v splitting them around room, but admittedly not a teacher.

The teachers are not there to babysit, but the troublemaker parents want that.

No one can focus if all the talkative kids are at the same table. The teacher will have to constantly stop instruction to redirect them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have been on both sides of this.

As a teacher, yes I always did this.

As a parent I have been annoyed as my child has been used as a buffer child consistently.

I am not sure what you think the alternative is though?

I have the kid who won't stop talking and I ask that she not be put near people she would prefer to talk to. Keeps her quiet, she won't bug her neighbor, and everyone can focus on their work better. Why does this bother the "buffer"? They weren't going to misbehave or talk either way so the end result is the same for them. But now the classroom has less chatter.

Did it occur to you to teach your kid how to behave in a classroom setting?

Well, she has ADHD, so how could I "teach" her to do that?

Proper medication.

Why not give your kid anxiety medication if they can’t handle sitting next to a child who talks a lot? Why should we have to medicate our kids to please your kid? (Different poster)

You medicate your kid to help them to focus and learn better. That is in their best interest.

It’s in your child’s best interest to manage her anxiety and learn to deal with uncertain or uncomfortable social situations.

Of course, if you help her do that, she might discover that she can handle difficult things, and she isn’t as “quiet and shy” as her parents always insisted she was.

Not being able to hear over the disruptive kids has nothing to do with anxiety. That was not even a good try on your part, just lazy. Huh.

Why can’t OPs high schooler ask the teacher to change seats? This is all so odd for HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Listening to all these parents in here defending their kid’s poor behavior is exactly why great teachers are leaving the profession in droves and education is going in the toilet.

It is sad that kids aren’t able to cope being around other kids who act like kids. I don’t remember silent classrooms where nobody ever talked.

You are being deliberately obtuse and argumentative. That’s not what we are talking about and you know it.

Are you sure? The name calling of kids in here makes this whole thread a joke and impossibly to take seriously.

Try subbing in a public school for a day. You will no longer be confused what we mean.