Antisemitic incident at Blair

[Anonymous]

Again, I'm curious what people feel would be appropriate punishment for this, and whether it matters to them if there is any context we might not yet understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again, I'm curious what people feel would be appropriate punishment for this, and whether it matters to them if there is any context we might not yet understand.

No, there is no context that makes a Hitler salute ok.

Sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again, I'm curious what people feel would be appropriate punishment for this, and whether it matters to them if there is any context we might not yet understand.

OMG. What did I just read?! In no context is a Nazi salute OK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, I'm curious what people feel would be appropriate punishment for this, and whether it matters to them if there is any context we might not yet understand.

OMG. What did I just read?! In no context is a Nazi salute OK.

You read typical attempts to minimize/rationalize antisemitism.

Then you also have the non-Jew trying to center themselves and goysplain the Holocaust and Nazis.

This thread is so fun for us Jews.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, I'm curious what people feel would be appropriate punishment for this, and whether it matters to them if there is any context we might not yet understand.

OMG. What did I just read?! In no context is a Nazi salute OK.

What if they weren't doing a Nazi salute. What if they were recreating a dance move and got the angle of their arms wrong. They didn't say "heil Hitler). They held their arms up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, I'm curious what people feel would be appropriate punishment for this, and whether it matters to them if there is any context we might not yet understand.

OMG. What did I just read?! In no context is a Nazi salute OK.

What if they weren't doing a Nazi salute. What if they were recreating a dance move and got the angle of their arms wrong. They didn't say "heil Hitler). They held their arms up.

And what if someone said the n-word but they were just reciting lyrics? Or they said gay but they meant happy?

Or do you just try to rationalize it when it’s antisemitism.

[Anonymous]

Here's my issue: if the kids were actually, intentionally, doing a Hitler salute, I think the punishment should be severe. Like if there are kids at Blair doing Nazi salutes, I don't think they should be allowed back on campus because it's not right for other kids to have to attend school with someone who would do that. So we're talking expulsion, or forced into virtual school. I think if it was a purposeful Nazi salute, that's hate speech and I have no tolerance for that.

However, I think the odds that the kids did it intentionally are fairly low. I just don't think there are a group of neo-naxis at Blair High School. So before issuing a really severe punishment, I'd want to know a lot more about what happened, exactly what the kids were doing, whose idea it was, their intention, etc. Because I think expelling kids without that level of understanding is inappropriate. Fascist, even.

So I'm not minimizing or excusing it, or saying that a Nazi salute shouldn't be punished. I'm saying: that's a serious allegation that deserves a serious punishment, and for that reason I think maybe we should wait until we have more than a brief report from a couple eye-witnesses before we draw final conclusions about what happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, I'm curious what people feel would be appropriate punishment for this, and whether it matters to them if there is any context we might not yet understand.

OMG. What did I just read?! In no context is a Nazi salute OK.

What if they weren't doing a Nazi salute. What if they were recreating a dance move and got the angle of their arms wrong. They didn't say "heil Hitler). They held their arms up.

And what if someone said the n-word but they were just reciting lyrics? Or they said gay but they meant happy?

Or do you just try to rationalize it when it’s antisemitism.

A better comparison is what if someone was accused of saying the n-word but it turned out they were saying another word that got misheard.

Gay isn't a slur and actually it does mean happy. So if a kid was called homophobic for simply saying the word "gay," id for sure want more context before deciding it was a homophobic act.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, I'm curious what people feel would be appropriate punishment for this, and whether it matters to them if there is any context we might not yet understand.

OMG. What did I just read?! In no context is a Nazi salute OK.

What if they weren't doing a Nazi salute. What if they were recreating a dance move and got the angle of their arms wrong. They didn't say "heil Hitler). They held their arms up.

And what if someone said the n-word but they were just reciting lyrics? Or they said gay but they meant happy?

Or do you just try to rationalize it when it’s antisemitism.

A better comparison is what if someone was accused of saying the n-word but it turned out they were saying another word that got misheard.

Gay isn't a slur and actually it does mean happy. So if a kid was called homophobic for simply saying the word "gay," id for sure want more context before deciding it was a homophobic act.

In what world are a bunch of kids putting their arms up at an angle and they’re recreating a dance move?

You’re clearly just grasping at straws because you want to minimize and rationalize antisemitism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, I'm curious what people feel would be appropriate punishment for this, and whether it matters to them if there is any context we might not yet understand.

No, there is no context that makes a Hitler salute ok.

Sorry.

Making movies or in plays is fine . Cabaret has Hitler salutes

[Anonymous]

The issue is reporting. My son had a few antisemitic incidents happen to him, but he refused to report it because he did not want to be labeled a “snitch”. The latest was an Auschwitz’s joke and something like “go back to the camps”. I highly doubt that the kids are actually antisemitic more like adolescent stupid. I also overheard anti asian and anti black jokes when I was chaperoning an overnight middle school trip. I stepped in and talked to the kids. Again, these are not intentionally racist kids, they just don’t understand that their actions have reaching consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think if it was a purposeful Nazi salute, that's hate speech and I have no tolerance for that.

In school, yes. Outside of school, hate speech is not illegal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's my issue: if the kids were actually, intentionally, doing a Hitler salute, I think the punishment should be severe. Like if there are kids at Blair doing Nazi salutes, I don't think they should be allowed back on campus because it's not right for other kids to have to attend school with someone who would do that. So we're talking expulsion, or forced into virtual school. I think if it was a purposeful Nazi salute, that's hate speech and I have no tolerance for that.

However, I think the odds that the kids did it intentionally are fairly low. I just don't think there are a group of neo-naxis at Blair High School. So before issuing a really severe punishment, I'd want to know a lot more about what happened, exactly what the kids were doing, whose idea it was, their intention, etc. Because I think expelling kids without that level of understanding is inappropriate. Fascist, even.

So I'm not minimizing or excusing it, or saying that a Nazi salute shouldn't be punished. I'm saying: that's a serious allegation that deserves a serious punishment, and for that reason I think maybe we should wait until we have more than a brief report from a couple eye-witnesses before we draw final conclusions about what happened.

Expelled for an arm movement? You are insane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The issue is reporting. My son had a few antisemitic incidents happen to him, but he refused to report it because he did not want to be labeled a “snitch”. The latest was an Auschwitz’s joke and something like “go back to the camps”. I highly doubt that the kids are actually antisemitic more like adolescent stupid. I also overheard anti asian and anti black jokes when I was chaperoning an overnight middle school trip. I stepped in and talked to the kids. Again, these are not intentionally racist kids, they just don’t understand that their actions have reaching consequences.

These are teens. They know exactly hat they are doing and it should not be tolerated.
Parents are partly to blame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's my issue: if the kids were actually, intentionally, doing a Hitler salute, I think the punishment should be severe. Like if there are kids at Blair doing Nazi salutes, I don't think they should be allowed back on campus because it's not right for other kids to have to attend school with someone who would do that. So we're talking expulsion, or forced into virtual school. I think if it was a purposeful Nazi salute, that's hate speech and I have no tolerance for that.

However, I think the odds that the kids did it intentionally are fairly low. I just don't think there are a group of neo-naxis at Blair High School. So before issuing a really severe punishment, I'd want to know a lot more about what happened, exactly what the kids were doing, whose idea it was, their intention, etc. Because I think expelling kids without that level of understanding is inappropriate. Fascist, even.

So I'm not minimizing or excusing it, or saying that a Nazi salute shouldn't be punished. I'm saying: that's a serious allegation that deserves a serious punishment, and for that reason I think maybe we should wait until we have more than a brief report from a couple eye-witnesses before we draw final conclusions about what happened.

Expelled for an arm movement? You are insane.

Yes, it symbolizes hate.