When will DC area privates dump Lucy Calkins curricula ?

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Anonymous wrote:Previous posters are wrong. Beauvoir uses Orton Gillingham along with its own syncretic workshop approach.

Have you asked them? You know “workshop” is Calkins right? I’ve asked - nothing official has been changed. So if they’ve changed in the last 3 weeks since school started and not told anyone kudos - but nothing formal has been announced.

Lucy Calkins does not own the term "workshop"!!!

Reading and Writing Workshop existed before, alongside and will exist after Lucy Calkins + Teacher's College + Heinemann + $$$$. It is an approach that responded to some of what was ineffective about basal readers, and that can include much of science of reading. It's an approach/framework, not a curriculum. It's a pity that the waters are so muddied right now by the arrogance and missteps of certain parties, and the naivete of those who took the bait.

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Anonymous wrote:Previous posters are wrong. Beauvoir uses Orton Gillingham along with its own syncretic workshop approach.

Have you asked them? You know “workshop” is Calkins right? I’ve asked - nothing official has been changed. So if they’ve changed in the last 3 weeks since school started and not told anyone kudos - but nothing formal has been announced.

Lucy Calkins does not own the term "workshop"!!!

Reading and Writing Workshop existed before, alongside and will exist after Lucy Calkins + Teacher's College + Heinemann + $$$$. It is an approach that responded to some of what was ineffective about basal readers, and that can include much of science of reading. It's an approach/framework, not a curriculum. It's a pity that the waters are so muddied right now by the arrogance and no[b], and the naivete of those who took the bait.

Can you tell me what this means?

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Anonymous wrote:Previous posters are wrong. Beauvoir uses Orton Gillingham along with its own syncretic workshop approach.

Have you asked them? You know “workshop” is Calkins right? I’ve asked - nothing official has been changed. So if they’ve changed in the last 3 weeks since school started and not told anyone kudos - but nothing formal has been announced.

Lucy Calkins does not own the term "workshop"!!!

Yes, but when a school talks about using the Reading Workshop and Writing Workshop models, I think it’s safe to say they’re using LC.

Not saying that’s what Beauvoir is saying, but it’s what our kid’s school talks about.

Honey, use of the word workshop has been around a lot longer than Calkins and is used broadly to describe a number of different approaches to writing. Ever heard of the Iowa Writer's Workshop? Beauvoir encourages a writer's workshop approach, yes. They also use phonics and teach grammar.

Publics in our area have dropped it completely. NY and CA too. The school at Columbia has been dissolved. So the fact bvr still pays thousands and incorporates ANY of these methods is a joke. The defense that no one owns a word is silly when you then write three sentences proving the problem still exists.

Can you read? who says Beauvoir incorporates Calkins. It's speculation from reading the word workshop on their website. I've had three kids who went through Beauvoir, all of whom came out reading and writing above grade level. If they do incorporate it at all, which I seriously doubt, it does not affect how effectively they teach the fundamentals.

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Anonymous wrote:Patent, not parent, the word workshop

These are different things. Just because your children ended up “fine” with this approach doesn’t mean what Beauvoir is doing is out dated and needs to change and hasn’t yet change. The methods the school has been using are based on Calkins and F&P don’t work for the MAJORITY of children. There is no assumption made- Lucy Calkins was and is all over their current program.

And you base this on what knowledge? Do you have children there or are you basing it on your reading of their website?

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Anonymous wrote:Orton-Gillingham follows the Science of Reading (phonics) and not Calkins

Highly recommend listening to the Sold a Story podcast before anyone goes to back to school night!

As the commenter notes on the first page mentioned, so many of the veiled Calkins teaching methods are noted on these private school website. It may not explicitly say her name anymore but the practice is still there.

Beauvoir, GDS, Maret, Sidwell, NPS - they all are still pushing the outdated (and not based on science) methods

Is NPS using Calkins? I have never heard them say that but I did hear at back to school they are using writer’s workshop for writing and that was the first time I’d heard that. I thought they’ve said Orton in the past but maybe I misunderstood?

I honestly don’t know what approach NPS is using because it seems like a hybrid of “guess based on the picture” and memory worlds and phonics. I have been absolutely devoted to forcing her to practice phonics with me every night and teaching her letter combination sounds. It’s frustrating to see her looking at a picture and guessing the wrong word when she can easily sound it out. I have in the past had to keep asking her not to guess and to sound out the word and she tells me the school is telling her to look at the picture for clues.

I’m sorry but with the amount of $$$ you are paying for tuition, why aren’t you demanding that they stop this Lucy Caulkins insanity?

Because demanding a school change their reading program always works so well! This comment is hilarious. It IS a big undertaking to change curriculums from LC to OG. It goes beyond teachers taking a 2 day course and buying new books. It takes a year + of training and at my DD's school all the teacher trainings are not about teaching but all about diversity and inclusion not about teaching children to read. I only wish they'd focus on adopting OG! Wouldn't that be nice.

Yeah - this country has lost its marbles over the DEI crap. Soon everyone will be included in the “nobody can read and write” club and it will be very diverse.

Spoken like a true racist. It's the white supremacists who have lost their marbles over DEI.

How dare you. You are so insanely ignorant and people like you are exactly why we have so much division. Moreover, to your surprise, I identify as a person of color. Believing that the obsession with DEI in schools is not a good use of limited energy and resources does not make someone racist or a white supremacist. A lot of people of color agree with this. You need to get out more.

I really don't care if you identify as a person of color. Your internalized racism and classism is showing through loud and clear.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Orton-Gillingham follows the Science of Reading (phonics) and not Calkins

Highly recommend listening to the Sold a Story podcast before anyone goes to back to school night!

As the commenter notes on the first page mentioned, so many of the veiled Calkins teaching methods are noted on these private school website. It may not explicitly say her name anymore but the practice is still there.

Beauvoir, GDS, Maret, Sidwell, NPS - they all are still pushing the outdated (and not based on science) methods

Is NPS using Calkins? I have never heard them say that but I did hear at back to school they are using writer’s workshop for writing and that was the first time I’d heard that. I thought they’ve said Orton in the past but maybe I misunderstood?

I honestly don’t know what approach NPS is using because it seems like a hybrid of “guess based on the picture” and memory worlds and phonics. I have been absolutely devoted to forcing her to practice phonics with me every night and teaching her letter combination sounds. It’s frustrating to see her looking at a picture and guessing the wrong word when she can easily sound it out. I have in the past had to keep asking her not to guess and to sound out the word and she tells me the school is telling her to look at the picture for clues.

I’m sorry but with the amount of $$$ you are paying for tuition, why aren’t you demanding that they stop this Lucy Caulkins insanity?

Because demanding a school change their reading program always works so well! This comment is hilarious. It IS a big undertaking to change curriculums from LC to OG. It goes beyond teachers taking a 2 day course and buying new books. It takes a year + of training and at my DD's school all the teacher trainings are not about teaching but all about diversity and inclusion not about teaching children to read. I only wish they'd focus on adopting OG! Wouldn't that be nice.

Yeah - this country has lost its marbles over the DEI crap. Soon everyone will be included in the “nobody can read and write” club and it will be very diverse.

Spoken like a true racist. It's the white supremacists who have lost their marbles over DEI.

How dare you. You are so insanely ignorant and people like you are exactly why we have so much division. Moreover, to your surprise, I identify as a person of color. Believing that the obsession with DEI in schools is not a good use of limited energy and resources does not make someone racist or a white supremacist. A lot of people of color agree with this. You need to get out more.

I really don't care if you identify as a person of color. Your internalized racism and classism is showing through loud and clear.

Right and you are an unreasonable left wing radical who cries racism at any and everything. I follow the King’s teachings, you know judge people by the CONTENT of their character. Nobody gets a pass with me. You don’t need hours of DEI training - what you need is to teach ALL colors that the only thing that matters is the content of their character.

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To the PP who has a young student struggling with reading, ask what training/philosophy your tutor is using.
DC is at a Catholic school that thankfully had a reading specialist. She went from being a year behind in reading to being on grade level and then one year later exceeding grade level - even with a dx of dyslexia. OG method worked really well and she was only in the program for 1 year. Voracious reader still today in HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Orton-Gillingham follows the Science of Reading (phonics) and not Calkins

Highly recommend listening to the Sold a Story podcast before anyone goes to back to school night!

As the commenter notes on the first page mentioned, so many of the veiled Calkins teaching methods are noted on these private school website. It may not explicitly say her name anymore but the practice is still there.

Beauvoir, GDS, Maret, Sidwell, NPS - they all are still pushing the outdated (and not based on science) methods

Is NPS using Calkins? I have never heard them say that but I did hear at back to school they are using writer’s workshop for writing and that was the first time I’d heard that. I thought they’ve said Orton in the past but maybe I misunderstood?

I honestly don’t know what approach NPS is using because it seems like a hybrid of “guess based on the picture” and memory worlds and phonics. I have been absolutely devoted to forcing her to practice phonics with me every night and teaching her letter combination sounds. It’s frustrating to see her looking at a picture and guessing the wrong word when she can easily sound it out. I have in the past had to keep asking her not to guess and to sound out the word and she tells me the school is telling her to look at the picture for clues.

I’m sorry but with the amount of $$$ you are paying for tuition, why aren’t you demanding that they stop this Lucy Caulkins insanity?

I am a parent at NPS and have a background in reading instruction. I asked ALL the questions about how they teach reading when we were looking at schools. They do use writing workshop, which is actually not a bad program for teaching writing. It is just not a reading instruction program. Those are two different skills. NPS uses an O-G phonics-based program to teach reading. My kid learned to become an excellent reader in K and 1st. His first grade teacher was a former reading specialist and she was terrific.

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Roughly 30% to 40% of students will learn to read regardless of which method (or even any method) is used. For the other 60-70% of students, approaches like Balanced Reading / Lucy Calkins / Whole Language simply do not work. Read "Sold a Story". Read the actual peer-reviewed studies with statistical controls. There is real data on this and the results are consistent - those BL / LC / WL approaches do not work for most kids.

Those of you whose kids did well in reading at whichever school almost certainly have kids in that first much smaller group. I am happy your experience was positive, but it does not change how bad some reading curricula happen to be.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not just DC. Our west coast independent school is still all-in on Lucy Calkins. We were lucky and had one of the kids who was going to learn to read despite the curriculum, rather than because of it (as a teacher friend explained it).

For the school, Lucy Calkins is a lot easier for teachers. Teaching them to actually *teach* reading and writing is a lot harder. I'm honestly not sure a lot of the administrators would actually know how to coach their staff in this, sadly. And a majority of the kids in private schools are probably among those who are going to learn to read no matter what you do (and the minority for whom this isn't the case have parents who will hire tutors).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Previous posters are wrong. Beauvoir uses Orton Gillingham along with its own syncretic workshop approach.

Have you asked them? You know “workshop” is Calkins right? I’ve asked - nothing official has been changed. So if they’ve changed in the last 3 weeks since school started and not told anyone kudos - but nothing formal has been announced.

Lucy Calkins does not own the term "workshop"!!!

Yes, but when a school talks about using the Reading Workshop and Writing Workshop models, I think it’s safe to say they’re using LC.

Not saying that’s what Beauvoir is saying, but it’s what our kid’s school talks about.

Honey, use of the word workshop has been around a lot longer than Calkins and is used broadly to describe a number of different approaches to writing. Ever heard of the Iowa Writer's Workshop? Beauvoir encourages a writer's workshop approach, yes. They also use phonics and teach grammar.

Publics in our area have dropped it completely. NY and CA too. The school at Columbia has been dissolved. So the fact bvr still pays thousands and incorporates ANY of these methods is a joke. The defense that no one owns a word is silly when you then write three sentences proving the problem still exists.

Can you read? who says Beauvoir incorporates Calkins. It's speculation from reading the word workshop on their website. I've had three kids who went through Beauvoir, all of whom came out reading and writing above grade level. If they do incorporate it at all, which I seriously doubt, it does not affect how effectively they teach the fundamentals.

They still use Calkins methods- confirmed with them. They have used it for years. Feel free to ask them yourself since you seem not to believe 7 pages of people saying otherwise. And again, just because your kids were fine doesn’t mean it’s not out dated or a poor way to teach! Majority of kids are not as lucky as yours. Maryland and New York just changed this year - catch up to the times by doing some reading on the topic. I have - it’s a huge problem these DC independent schools need to change!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Patent, not parent, the word workshop

These are different things. Just because your children ended up “fine” with this approach doesn’t mean what Beauvoir is doing is out dated and needs to change and hasn’t yet change. The methods the school has been using are based on Calkins and F&P don’t work for the MAJORITY of children. There is no assumption made- Lucy Calkins was and is all over their current program.

And you base this on what knowledge? Do you have children there or are you basing it on your reading of their website?

First hand! Feel free to ask them yourself if you don’t believe it - they won’t deny it! They’ve spent thousands too!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Previous posters are wrong. Beauvoir uses Orton Gillingham along with its own syncretic workshop approach.

Have you asked them? You know “workshop” is Calkins right? I’ve asked - nothing official has been changed. So if they’ve changed in the last 3 weeks since school started and not told anyone kudos - but nothing formal has been announced.

Lucy Calkins does not own the term "workshop"!!!

Yes, but when a school talks about using the Reading Workshop and Writing Workshop models, I think it’s safe to say they’re using LC.

Not saying that’s what Beauvoir is saying, but it’s what our kid’s school talks about.

Honey, use of the word workshop has been around a lot longer than Calkins and is used broadly to describe a number of different approaches to writing. Ever heard of the Iowa Writer's Workshop? Beauvoir encourages a writer's workshop approach, yes. They also use phonics and teach grammar.

Publics in our area have dropped it completely. NY and CA too. The school at Columbia has been dissolved. So the fact bvr still pays thousands and incorporates ANY of these methods is a joke. The defense that no one owns a word is silly when you then write three sentences proving the problem still exists.

Can you read? who says Beauvoir incorporates Calkins. It's speculation from reading the word workshop on their website. I've had three kids who went through Beauvoir, all of whom came out reading and writing above grade level. If they do incorporate it at all, which I seriously doubt, it does not affect how effectively they teach the fundamentals.

You doubt this because your kids learned how to read? That’s your evidence you seriously doubt it’s true? Got it!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Orton-Gillingham follows the Science of Reading (phonics) and not Calkins

Highly recommend listening to the Sold a Story podcast before anyone goes to back to school night!

As the commenter notes on the first page mentioned, so many of the veiled Calkins teaching methods are noted on these private school website. It may not explicitly say her name anymore but the practice is still there.

Beauvoir, GDS, Maret, Sidwell, NPS - they all are still pushing the outdated (and not based on science) methods

Is NPS using Calkins? I have never heard them say that but I did hear at back to school they are using writer’s workshop for writing and that was the first time I’d heard that. I thought they’ve said Orton in the past but maybe I misunderstood?

I honestly don’t know what approach NPS is using because it seems like a hybrid of “guess based on the picture” and memory worlds and phonics. I have been absolutely devoted to forcing her to practice phonics with me every night and teaching her letter combination sounds. It’s frustrating to see her looking at a picture and guessing the wrong word when she can easily sound it out. I have in the past had to keep asking her not to guess and to sound out the word and she tells me the school is telling her to look at the picture for clues.

I’m sorry but with the amount of $$$ you are paying for tuition, why aren’t you demanding that they stop this Lucy Caulkins insanity?

Because demanding a school change their reading program always works so well! This comment is hilarious. It IS a big undertaking to change curriculums from LC to OG. It goes beyond teachers taking a 2 day course and buying new books. It takes a year + of training and at my DD's school all the teacher trainings are not about teaching but all about diversity and inclusion not about teaching children to read. I only wish they'd focus on adopting OG! Wouldn't that be nice.

Yeah - this country has lost its marbles over the DEI crap. Soon everyone will be included in the “nobody can read and write” club and it will be very diverse.

Spoken like a true racist. It's the white supremacists who have lost their marbles over DEI.

How dare you. You are so insanely ignorant and people like you are exactly why we have so much division. Moreover, to your surprise, I identify as a person of color. Believing that the obsession with DEI in schools is not a good use of limited energy and resources does not make someone racist or a white supremacist. A lot of people of color agree with this. You need to get out more.

I really don't care if you identify as a person of color. Your internalized racism and classism is showing through loud and clear.

Right and you are an unreasonable left wing radical who cries racism at any and everything. I follow the King’s teachings, you know judge people by the CONTENT of their character. Nobody gets a pass with me. You don’t need hours of DEI training - what you need is to teach ALL colors that the only thing that matters is the content of their character.

Beautiful example of internalized racism. Look up unconscious bias, institutionalized racism, and maybe do a little studying up on factors affecting educational outcomes for children of color in this country.

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Anonymous wrote:Roughly 30% to 40% of students will learn to read regardless of which method (or even any method) is used. For the other 60-70% of students, approaches like Balanced Reading / Lucy Calkins / Whole Language simply do not work. Read "Sold a Story". Read the actual peer-reviewed studies with statistical controls. There is real data on this and the results are consistent - those BL / LC / WL approaches do not work for most kids.

Those of you whose kids did well in reading at whichever school almost certainly have kids in that first much smaller group. I am happy your experience was positive, but it does not change how bad some reading curricula happen to be.

Can you explain why some kids learn to read regardless of the approach while others don’t (genuinely curious)? My child learned to read by the end of 1st grade, so I never had a reason to question the curriculum and I’m not even sure what approach they use. Fwiw we weren’t one of those families who are tried to teach reading on our own before K, we just waited for them to start school and learn from the teacher. I know there were kids in the class who required outside help though.