When will DC area privates dump Lucy Calkins curricula ?

Anonymous
How is writing approached in schools that adopt SoR? Writing being part of literacy as well.
Anonymous
Agreed with the previous post. No doubt, it was time to rebalance literacy instruction. Tompkins (2011) explained that reading, phonemic awareness and phonics, literacy strategies, vocabulary, comprehension, literature, content-area study, oral language, writing and spelling should all be included in a balanced literacy program. Many schools did not include phonemic awareness and phonics instruction over the past decade, although Calkin’s curriculum did include Phonics Units of Study (far from best phonics curriculum). There is now a need to rebalance literacy instruction by ensuring schools have explicit phonics and phonemic awareness instruction without setting aside comprehension, writing, and spelling, for example. Many private schools uses an explicit phonics (“SoR”) program like OG or Fundations AND Units of Study, which is a balance. If schools move entirely to “SoR” as it’s being defined, we will need another rebalance in the next decade.
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[quote=Anonymous]Agreed with the previous post. No doubt, it was time to rebalance literacy instruction. Tompkins (2011) explained that reading, phonemic awareness and phonics, literacy strategies, vocabulary, comprehension, literature, content-area study, oral language, writing and spelling should all be included in a balanced literacy program. Many schools did not include phonemic awareness and phonics instruction over the past decade, although Calkin’s curriculum did include Phonics Units of Study (far from best phonics curriculum). There is now a need to rebalance literacy instruction by ensuring schools have explicit phonics and phonemic awareness instruction without setting aside comprehension, writing, and spelling, for example. Many private schools uses an explicit phonics (“SoR”) program like OG or Fundations AND Units of Study, which is a balance. If schools move entirely to “SoR” as it’s being defined, we will need another rebalance in the next decade.[/quote]

Not just for a decade. Whole language type instruction with little emphasis on phonics and phonemic awareness was in place at least as far back as 1990.
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Anonymous wrote:Roughly 30% to 40% of students will learn to read regardless of which method (or even any method) is used. For the other 60-70% of students, approaches like Balanced Reading / Lucy Calkins / Whole Language simply do not work. Read "Sold a Story". Read the actual peer-reviewed studies with statistical controls. There is real data on this and the results are consistent - those BL / LC / WL approaches do not work for most kids.

Those of you whose kids did well in reading at whichever school almost certainly have kids in that first much smaller group. I am happy your experience was positive, but it does not change how bad some reading curricula happen to be.


Can you explain why some kids learn to read regardless of the approach while others don’t (genuinely curious)? My child learned to read by the end of 1st grade, so I never had a reason to question the curriculum and I’m not even sure what approach they use. Fwiw we weren’t one of those families who are tried to teach reading on our own before K, we just waited for them to start school and learn from the teacher. I know there were kids in the class who required outside help though.


I would assume neurotypical kids who are not on the autism spectrum nor have ADHD nor have dyslexia can learn alright via brute force (read by yourself a la Balanced Literacy BS), combined with exposure to large verbal or written vocabularies at home and school.

But everyone can learn to read, decide and recode (ie spell correctly) when systematically being taught and tested on phonics, roots/suffixes/prefixes, grammar, and sight words (the anomalies).


The bolded above is actually whole language. Balanced literacy is a response to both whole language and the earlier "See Spot Run" look-say approach. Basal readers, which many of us experienced, were an interesting 70s/80s interlude in which a balanced literacy approach was packaged up in anthologized text-books. Balanced literacy instruction today employs more authentic literature experiences and related process writing, and may be taught in a workshop framework. The biggest detriment today to balanced literacy is probably Fountas and Pinnell. They are under attack for their own reasons that I won't go into, but the 'balanced literacy approach' exceeds any one contributor. Despite the recent and much needed introduction of phonics, the Lucy Calkins units when implemented without supplementation, are more whole language than balanced.

'Science of reading' is very similar to 'balanced literacy'. It appears to both draws upon and advance it with a little more of a phonics-forward emphasis. I hope that in the rush to this side of the ship, some of the richest parts of balanced literacy aren't thrown overboard (ie a return to extremely rote learning). But when have we ever gotten reading and writing instruction wrong in this country, LOL.

Balanced literacy:  "There’s a misconception around balanced literacy that it doesn’t provide systematic, explicit phonics instruction, but it absolutely does. A balanced literacy program as described by Fisher, Frey, and Akhavan, includes all five of the essential components of reading: phonemic awareness, phonics, fluency, vocabulary, and comprehension." https://www.weareteachers.com/what-is-balanced-literacy/

Science of Reading: "What it IS
A Collection of Research Research, over time, from multiple fields of study using methods that confirm and disconfirm theories on how children best learn to read.
Teaching Based on the 5 Big Ideas
Phonemic Awareness - The ability to identify and play with individual sounds in spoken words.
Phonics - Reading instruction on understanding how letters and groups of letters link to sounds to form letter- sound relationships and spelling patterns.
Fluency - The ability to read words, phrases, sentences, and stories correctly, with enough speed, and expression.
Vocabulary - Knowing what words mean and how to say and use them correctly.
Comprehension - The ability to understand what you are reading. "https://improvingliteracy.org/brief/science-reading-basics#Teaching%20Based%20on%20The%205%20Big%20Ideas

SOUND FAMILIAR?



You can call it whatever you want. And slap up all kinds of semantics and smoke.

My kid had a sheet from school saying a look at the Pictures and guess. And sh could not easily sound out soundable words for years.

Balanced literacy in practice was mostly whole language. Poor kids.


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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Agreed with the previous post. No doubt, it was time to rebalance literacy instruction. Tompkins (2011) explained that reading, phonemic awareness and phonics, literacy strategies, vocabulary, comprehension, literature, content-area study, oral language, writing and spelling should all be included in a balanced literacy program. Many schools did not include phonemic awareness and phonics instruction over the past decade, although Calkin’s curriculum did include Phonics Units of Study (far from best phonics curriculum). There is now a need to rebalance literacy instruction by ensuring schools have explicit phonics and phonemic awareness instruction without setting aside comprehension, writing, and spelling, for example. Many private schools uses an explicit phonics (“SoR”) program like OG or Fundations AND Units of Study, which is a balance. If schools move entirely to “SoR” as it’s being defined, we will need another rebalance in the next decade.[/quote]

Not just for a decade. Whole language type instruction with little emphasis on phonics and phonemic awareness was in place at least as far back as 1990.[/quote]

This is correct, but the Units of Study in Reading first launched a decade ago (thread was originally about Lucy Calkin’s curriculum, not broader whole language approach).
Anonymous
No matter what other poster keeps saying, BL does NOT have any scientific data supporting their claims. In actual practice, as implemented in real schools, BL had similar issues and the same lack of scientific basis as either LC or WL.

SoR is more than JUST Phonics; it does include comprehension and various other components. Most importantly it DOES have scientific studies with good sample sizes and reasonable statistical controls showing it works for all students.
Anonymous
So why not go back to what worked for decades before all of this insane confusion - strict phonics. Gotta love education in America - amazing how the world’s “greatest” country has the dumbest education system and educators!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So why not go back to what worked for decades before all of this insane confusion - strict phonics. Gotta love education in America - amazing how the world’s “greatest” country has the dumbest education system and educators!


Retired admin and teachers who juiced their pensions their last three years of work can’t get away from going in to mashing up and rebranding new ELA and maths curricula. $$$$$$$ charged to large and small, public and private school systems who go to phony conferences “on the latest thing”.

Only in America. Of course.
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Our school is too busy doing its social mission to worry about the basics.
Anonymous
For what it is worth, the UK and Australia only moved back to Phonics-centred reading approaches in the past few years.

They also had dropped reading curricula which worked well, and only recently have moved back to what actually works for all students…
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Anonymous wrote:For what it is worth, the UK and Australia only moved back to Phonics-centred reading approaches in the past few years.

They also had dropped reading curricula which worked well, and only recently have moved back to what actually works for all students…


Interesting. Seems like the entirety of the “West” lost its mind around teaching literacy for a good bit. But whose to say they won’t adopt some new stupid curriculum?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Our school is too busy doing its social mission to worry about the basics.


Right, as many are. Which school, if you don’t mind me asking, so we can avoid?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:No matter what other poster keeps saying, BL does NOT have any scientific data supporting their claims. In actual practice, as implemented in real schools, BL had similar issues and the same lack of scientific basis as either LC or WL.

SoR is more than JUST Phonics; it does include comprehension and various other components. Most importantly it DOES have scientific studies with good sample sizes and reasonable statistical controls showing it works for all students.


Well, it's the same body of reading research that SoR built upon and expanded, but you do you.
And agree, that in the right hands SoR would be more than JUST phonics. In the wrong hands, it might be JUST phonics.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Our school is too busy doing its social mission to worry about the basics.

Translation: Duh, how do you walk and chew gum at the same time?
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Anonymous wrote:Orton-Gillingham follows the Science of Reading (phonics) and not Calkins

Highly recommend listening to the Sold a Story podcast before anyone goes to back to school night!

As the commenter notes on the first page mentioned, so many of the veiled Calkins teaching methods are noted on these private school website. It may not explicitly say her name anymore but the practice is still there.

Beauvoir, GDS, Maret, Sidwell, NPS - they all are still pushing the outdated (and not based on science) methods


Oh there you have it. Just as I suspected, ALL of these schools are the same and any extra “prestige” attached to any of them more than others is completely made up and meaningless.


Uh huh. Because small class sizes, excellent arts and music programs, etc are worthless.


Small class sizes and arts and music aren’t worth it if your kid is actively falling behind and no one noticed because they follow one of these curriculums with minimal phonics. Kids who aren’t great readers by end of 3rd grade will have it far worse moving forward. - mom who actively sought out a SEL, joyful, artsy, non hurried child school and then realized they were woefully ill equipped to teach the basics
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