What can American women learn from foreign women?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My parents are from a Middle Eastern culture and I think there is so much pressure on women in that culture to conform to the following standard:

- educated with a high paying career
- keep up their looks, don’t get fat, dress pretty and wear makeup and have long glossy black hair
- maintain an attractive, clean home and know how to cook, or you will look bad
- religious (but you still have to look sexy) and raising children to behave appropriately and follow cultural expectations

The men have the following expectations:
- have a job

I think American men may find this nightmare sort of awesome.

Uh, no. In patriarchal cultures, men have to be rich to have social value. (Actually, this is true in all cultures to varying degrees.)

She meant having a job is the only expectation for men while women have to be perfect in almost every way.

So an American man with a decent job who is even remotely helpful in other ways is a step up from their own men. This is true about a lot of foreign cultures as you can see from this thread.

So while American men could be better, they are better than most. So it makes sense for them to look abroad for women who will compare them to their local men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To overgeneralize about European women:

They don't expect men to be their alpha and omega -- the best friend, therapist, breadwinner, caregiver, lover, etc. American women have bought into some really dumb and destructive ideas about relationships.

They appreciate their own femininity and they appreciate that men like it.

They aren't caught up in asinine American identity politics (on the right or the left).

True

[Anonymous]

American women over 30 are usually fat, most Asian women over 30 are not. So thin, attractive American are in short supply and can be very picky (rightfully so) and demanding. Women born in Asia live around everyone else who is thin, so do not become entitled and picky. This is refreshing to western men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My parents are from a Middle Eastern culture and I think there is so much pressure on women in that culture to conform to the following standard:

- educated with a high paying career
- keep up their looks, don’t get fat, dress pretty and wear makeup and have long glossy black hair
- maintain an attractive, clean home and know how to cook, or you will look bad
- religious (but you still have to look sexy) and raising children to behave appropriately and follow cultural expectations

The men have the following expectations:
- have a job

I think American men may find this nightmare sort of awesome.

Uh, no. In patriarchal cultures, men have to be rich to have social value. (Actually, this is true in all cultures to varying degrees.)

Absolutely not. It’s a very “heads I win tails you lose” situation. A poor man is still given respect and is still supposed to be the king in his home. All men have greater social status than a woman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Go get a foreign dude.

+1 What's stopping you from doing the same OP?
Catering to American men's standards and preferences just to be picked by them seems kinda backward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:- more feminine
- more attractive
- kinder + more empathy
- more polite
- mentally in a better place
- more fun
- live in the moment
- prefer manly men and more defined gender roles
- More romantic and passionate. American women don't really seem like they value men.

This is just off the top of my head and varies a ton depending on country.

Nope to the bolded. Foreign women are harsh. Lol perhaps they are more polite to strangers? But they are blunt with their loved ones.

A Foreign woman would be much more likely than an American woman to tell her DH without blinking an eye that his belly is too big

Wrong. American women tend to be rude and crude in their demeanor.

[Anonymous]

I think in a very overly generalized way, foreign woman are less ‘drama’ than American women. There is a bit more genuine-ness and empathy.

I do know women living here originally from overseas that can be highly dramatic so it’s not a blanket statement. But overall, I find they are less so than their American equivalents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I have learned from this thread is that both men and women would like to marry a subservient stereotype of a foreign woman.

You must not have read most of the posts. The old hens sure are upset. They've been rambling on about subservient women, 90 day fiance, green card chasers, etc. I really don't think any of these women have ever lived overseas. Not a single guy living in most of these countries prefers American women. That right there should be a clue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lovely accent

+1
It's like they are singing a sweet song while American women sound like they are barking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Be willing to marry unattractive but nice guys who can hold down a job and be a good family man, as long as you cook and clean without complaint and don’t ever nag.

This is accurate, I’m below average in looks because I’m nerdy and short. I have money and a good job… but I’m not insanely wealthy. I’m dating a foreign woman who I met here by accident and she’s the best I’ve been with. She’s both hotter and treats me better than any American woman I’ve dated in the past. Of course I’m wary of the whole green card marriage thing, but she must be an amazing actress because I genuinely believe that she loves me. No woman has shown as much genuine affection as her. I HAVE been used for money before by American women and I knew from day 1 in those relationships that it was all about the money (I was fine w/ it tbh because I wasn’t seriously dating at the time). This one seems different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Be willing to marry unattractive but nice guys who can hold down a job and be a good family man, as long as you cook and clean without complaint and don’t ever nag.

This is accurate, I’m below average in looks because I’m nerdy and short. I have money and a good job… but I’m not insanely wealthy. I’m dating a foreign woman who I met here by accident and she’s the best I’ve been with. She’s both hotter and treats me better than any American woman I’ve dated in the past. Of course I’m wary of the whole green card marriage thing, but she must be an amazing actress because I genuinely believe that she loves me. No woman has shown as much genuine affection as her. I HAVE been used for money before by American women and I knew from day 1 in those relationships that it was all about the money (I was fine w/ it tbh because I wasn’t seriously dating at the time). This one seems different.

I forgot to add that the cooking and cleaning part isn’t something I expect, I am fine with splitting the domestic chores. The main thing I like is that she’s very pretty, fun to talk to, and doesn’t act like she’s doing me a favor by dating me. I feel valued by her and I go to great lengths to show that the feeling is mutual.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I have learned from this thread is that both men and women would like to marry a subservient stereotype of a foreign woman.

You must not have read most of the posts. The old hens sure are upset. They've been rambling on about subservient women, 90 day fiance, green card chasers, etc. I really don't think any of these women have ever lived overseas. Not a single guy living in most of these countries prefers American women. That right there should be a clue.

I have lived overseas in a geo with many men who are there primarily for dating/wives/s3x. It’s very simple global economic arbitrage. A guy who is poor, ugly, etc and unable to find a hot or young partner will be relatively wealthy in a poorer country. He can therefore attract more attractive sexual partners by virtue of relative weight of his economic resources. It is very simple. Very few of the men who do this are wealthy or attractive, they don’t need to, they can find attractive partners in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I have learned from this thread is that both men and women would like to marry a subservient stereotype of a foreign woman.

You must not have read most of the posts. The old hens sure are upset. They've been rambling on about subservient women, 90 day fiance, green card chasers, etc. I really don't think any of these women have ever lived overseas. Not a single guy living in most of these countries prefers American women. That right there should be a clue.

I have lived overseas in a geo with many men who are there primarily for dating/wives/s3x. It’s very simple global economic arbitrage. A guy who is poor, ugly, etc and unable to find a hot or young partner will be relatively wealthy in a poorer country. He can therefore attract more attractive sexual partners by virtue of relative weight of his economic resources. It is very simple. Very few of the men who do this are wealthy or attractive, they don’t need to, they can find attractive partners in the US.

The difference in quality isn't even close. Most American guys are forced to date American women because they can't afford to live in another country. This has changed somewhat with the advent of digital nomad though. Most of those guys are normal and only date local women. But if you are hanging out in an area with lots of sex tourists, then yeah, most of those guys can't get decent women in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I have learned from this thread is that both men and women would like to marry a subservient stereotype of a foreign woman.

You must not have read most of the posts. The old hens sure are upset. They've been rambling on about subservient women, 90 day fiance, green card chasers, etc. I really don't think any of these women have ever lived overseas. Not a single guy living in most of these countries prefers American women. That right there should be a clue.

I have lived overseas in a geo with many men who are there primarily for dating/wives/s3x. It’s very simple global economic arbitrage. A guy who is poor, ugly, etc and unable to find a hot or young partner will be relatively wealthy in a poorer country. He can therefore attract more attractive sexual partners by virtue of relative weight of his economic resources. It is very simple. Very few of the men who do this are wealthy or attractive, they don’t need to, they can find attractive partners in the US.

The difference in quality isn't even close. Most American guys are forced to date American women because they can't afford to live in another country. This has changed somewhat with the advent of digital nomad though. Most of those guys are normal and only date local women. But if you are hanging out in an area with lots of sex tourists, then yeah, most of those guys can't get decent women in the US.

You are confirming my point. The unequal distribution of economic resources across the globe allows people to migrate to areas where they are comparatively wealthier, which provides them the opportunity to attract more sexual partners who are seeking to improve their economic situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I have learned from this thread is that both men and women would like to marry a subservient stereotype of a foreign woman.

You must not have read most of the posts. The old hens sure are upset. They've been rambling on about subservient women, 90 day fiance, green card chasers, etc. I really don't think any of these women have ever lived overseas. Not a single guy living in most of these countries prefers American women. That right there should be a clue.

My husband grew up in a patriarchal culture, he chose me, someone raised in America. He liked that I was open and honest and did not feel the need to stifle my thoughts and feelings and opinions.