AI essays - holy moly

[Anonymous]

I don't know if this counts as AI, but one of my older kids, now in college, used to use Grammarly. Can that be detected via plagiarism checker these days, or is it a "private" service?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Soon the college application process will exclude standardized test scores, essays, demographic information, and anything else that might distinguish applicants due to cheating, favoritism, and/or discrimination.

You think people did not cheat on the sat/act?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if this counts as AI, but one of my older kids, now in college, used to use Grammarly. Can that be detected via plagiarism checker these days, or is it a "private" service?

No, Grammerly is not predictive model AI, which is what ChatGPT and the like are. It is much more like spell check, and the same result as Grammerly is now essentially built into Word and other word processing software.

For the person asking how to learn to use AI well, there are lots of tutorials on YouTube. Search for “ChatGPT how to (whatever - edit an email, generate ideas, etc).”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if this counts as AI, but one of my older kids, now in college, used to use Grammarly. Can that be detected via plagiarism checker these days, or is it a "private" service?

No, Grammerly is not predictive model AI, which is what ChatGPT and the like are. It is much more like spell check, and the same result as Grammerly is now essentially built into Word and other word processing software.

For the person asking how to learn to use AI well, there are lots of tutorials on YouTube. Search for “ChatGPT how to (whatever - edit an email, generate ideas, etc).”

It is now.

https://www.grammarly.com/business/learn/enterprise-grade-generative-ai/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly…..
What he had written had personal anecdotes and stories in it but it wasn’t coherent enough and the AI draft had more poignancy, descriptive words, and honestly just tighter writing.

The orig draft was just ok. It sounded unpolished. It’s like an editor took a pen to it.

This took a story, made it poignant and emotional and just tightened it all up. Kid will refit now and add more description and then ask us to edit again.

Let’s see. It actually was really good to get over a writing block/hump.

um no, it’s cheating.

Exactly. How do people think this is writing? This is like giving your details to a ghost writer then taking credit. OP, you're kid did not write this, and if he submits it, it will be plagiarism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if this counts as AI, but one of my older kids, now in college, used to use Grammarly. Can that be detected via plagiarism checker these days, or is it a "private" service?

No, Grammerly is not predictive model AI, which is what ChatGPT and the like are. It is much more like spell check, and the same result as Grammerly is now essentially built into Word and other word processing software.

For the person asking how to learn to use AI well, there are lots of tutorials on YouTube. Search for “ChatGPT how to (whatever - edit an email, generate ideas, etc).”

It is now.

https://www.grammarly.com/business/learn/enterprise-grade-generative-ai/

So it is! My bad.

[Anonymous]

Kids feeding their work into AI then taking credit is like the Shake n Bake kid actually thinking they made the meal because "I helped!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly…..
What he had written had personal anecdotes and stories in it but it wasn’t coherent enough and the AI draft had more poignancy, descriptive words, and honestly just tighter writing.

The orig draft was just ok. It sounded unpolished. It’s like an editor took a pen to it.

This took a story, made it poignant and emotional and just tightened it all up. Kid will refit now and add more description and then ask us to edit again.

Let’s see. It actually was really good to get over a writing block/hump.

um no, it’s cheating.

I don’t think so. It’s like working with an essay editor.

DP. Which is cheating. Essay feedback is fine, but the kind of editing that generates content (rewording etc) is writing and, therefore, cheating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I write things at work all the time and AI it and the results are much better than me spending an hour rewriting and having staff edit.

Also the content is not AI generated.

Interesting though I wrote something and the bot noticed there were 3 themes and structured it better to highlight the 3 themes I didn’t notice.

I actually don’t think having a bot edit is cheating.

Same. It does the work I could do - if I had a few extra days to think/noodle/write…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly…..
What he had written had personal anecdotes and stories in it but it wasn’t coherent enough and the AI draft had more poignancy, descriptive words, and honestly just tighter writing.

The orig draft was just ok. It sounded unpolished. It’s like an editor took a pen to it.

This took a story, made it poignant and emotional and just tightened it all up. Kid will refit now and add more description and then ask us to edit again.

Let’s see. It actually was really good to get over a writing block/hump.

um no, it’s cheating.

I don’t think so. It’s like working with an essay editor.

DP. Which is cheating. Essay feedback is fine, but the kind of editing that generates content (rewording etc) is writing and, therefore, cheating.

But all the college essay editors I know do this….I mean that’s why ppl pay $5-10k

Just being honest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if this counts as AI, but one of my older kids, now in college, used to use Grammarly. Can that be detected via plagiarism checker these days, or is it a "private" service?

No, Grammerly is not predictive model AI, which is what ChatGPT and the like are. It is much more like spell check, and the same result as Grammerly is now essentially built into Word and other word processing software.

For the person asking how to learn to use AI well, there are lots of tutorials on YouTube. Search for “ChatGPT how to (whatever - edit an email, generate ideas, etc).”

It is now.

https://www.grammarly.com/business/learn/enterprise-grade-generative-ai/

Our kids school uses grammarly. And encourage it for all college essay writing

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid entered a draft essay into an AI bot.
It’s now amazing.
And then we entered the result into an AI “test”…..and it passed and said 100% human generated.
The AI version really was better than the human version…it was a “why” essay with a lot of personalization.


I’m just shocked.

Yes many people do not understand AI or how it works. It will replace many white collar jobs- lawyers, analyst, etc.

Definitely no need to spend $3000, $5000 or more on any type of college essay advice! Have your kid write tons of drafts and put them into GPT4.
Then have them edit the refined result that comes out so it sounds even more like them. Keep doing that for a couple rounds.

Save yourself time and $$!

"Have your kid write tons of drafts [...] and then have them edit the refined result [...]. "

To me this has always been true for writing - before and after AI. AI editing may help, yes, but if High Schoolers and everyone else put in the work, good things will follow.

This is how everyone should use it. Not sure if they will though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly…..
What he had written had personal anecdotes and stories in it but it wasn’t coherent enough and the AI draft had more poignancy, descriptive words, and honestly just tighter writing.

The orig draft was just ok. It sounded unpolished. It’s like an editor took a pen to it.

This took a story, made it poignant and emotional and just tightened it all up. Kid will refit now and add more description and then ask us to edit again.

Let’s see. It actually was really good to get over a writing block/hump.

um no, it’s cheating.

I don’t think so. It’s like working with an essay editor.

DP. Which is cheating. Essay feedback is fine, but the kind of editing that generates content (rewording etc) is writing and, therefore, cheating.

But all the college essay editors I know do this….I mean that’s why ppl pay $5-10k

Just being honest.

Doesn't make it ok. Most of us don't do this. I suspect that many people of these high end counselors don't do that either. But, keep trying to justify academic dishonesty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly…..
What he had written had personal anecdotes and stories in it but it wasn’t coherent enough and the AI draft had more poignancy, descriptive words, and honestly just tighter writing.

The orig draft was just ok. It sounded unpolished. It’s like an editor took a pen to it.

This took a story, made it poignant and emotional and just tightened it all up. Kid will refit now and add more description and then ask us to edit again.

Let’s see. It actually was really good to get over a writing block/hump.

um no, it’s cheating.

I don’t think so. It’s like working with an essay editor.

DP. Which is cheating. Essay feedback is fine, but the kind of editing that generates content (rewording etc) is writing and, therefore, cheating.

But all the college essay editors I know do this….I mean that’s why ppl pay $5-10k

Just being honest.

Don't waste your time. Those paying that money won't agree. They are just pissed that there's now a tool that does what their $10K dude does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid entered a draft essay into an AI bot.
It’s now amazing.
And then we entered the result into an AI “test”…..and it passed and said 100% human generated.
The AI version really was better than the human version…it was a “why” essay with a lot of personalization.


I’m just shocked.

Yes many people do not understand AI or how it works. It will replace many white collar jobs- lawyers, analyst, etc.

Definitely no need to spend $3000, $5000 or more on any type of college essay advice! Have your kid write tons of drafts and put them into GPT4.
Then have them edit the refined result that comes out so it sounds even more like them. Keep doing that for a couple rounds.

Save yourself time and $$!

"Have your kid write tons of drafts [...] and then have them edit the refined result [...]. "

To me this has always been true for writing - before and after AI. AI editing may help, yes, but if High Schoolers and everyone else put in the work, good things will follow.

This is how everyone should use it. Not sure if they will though.

Yes and Yes.

There will be some upside of doing so though, even in the short-run.