San Francisco is imploding

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If big stores are leaving SF (whole foods/starbucks), there is a poop map of the city, needles everywhere, and acknowledgment that more police are needed, it tells me that there are significant issues there. In addition, there was the reparations discussion there that was approved by local legislative body which would concern me as well. So many competing priorities and what will they fund with the pot of money they have? It should be a priorities discussion, not raising taxes discussion.

People are leaving the city and for a good reason. I’m no republican but this stuff makes me weary of super liberal politics as well.

Yep.

In 2020, crime was going down and at lows in most of the country. But with the pandemic, crime began to spike again.
#facts

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If big stores are leaving SF (whole foods/starbucks), there is a poop map of the city, needles everywhere, and acknowledgment that more police are needed, it tells me that there are significant issues there. In addition, there was the reparations discussion there that was approved by local legislative body which would concern me as well. So many competing priorities and what will they fund with the pot of money they have? It should be a priorities discussion, not raising taxes discussion.

People are leaving the city and for a good reason. I’m no republican but this stuff makes me weary of super liberal politics as well.

Yep.

Is there something wrong with being willing to change your priorities based on the effect of previous policy? Do you really not want more police?

I sure as hell do, but I never called for defunding the police.
She can't even admit that she has gone a full 180 on the subject.

You act like that is some huge scandal but it’s just how government works. We try popular ideas out because democracy and then change our minds if it doesn’t work out. That’s a good thing. If Republicans had a political solution to crime then there wouldn’t be similar trends in red districts, yet there are. Most local dems are now trying to increase police recruitment. Your outrage is misplaced.

Um, suuuure. Got a cite for that ?

Because, I’m pretty sure you are wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:It has NOTHING to do with liberal politics ffs. This is about not sufficiently taxing California's many billionaires, and not using that extra tax money for all the resources necessary to prevent vulnerable people from falling through the cracks.

"Liberal" is a cloak for greed in California, not an actual lived ideal. It's hypocrisy and abandonment of the vulnerable where it really counts.

Its unsafe. They need to do something about safety to clean it up so businesses can still do business there and people can live in the homes.

They HAVE done something: they defunded the SF police, like everyone should. Because of racism.

Yeah, let’s get rid of the police all together!!!!! Then let’s see what happens to crime!!!!! Do it San Fran.

Somalia happens.

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Anonymous wrote:If big stores are leaving SF (whole foods/starbucks), there is a poop map of the city, needles everywhere, and acknowledgment that more police are needed, it tells me that there are significant issues there. In addition, there was the reparations discussion there that was approved by local legislative body which would concern me as well. So many competing priorities and what will they fund with the pot of money they have? It should be a priorities discussion, not raising taxes discussion.

People are leaving the city and for a good reason. I’m no republican but this stuff makes me weary of super liberal politics as well.

Yep.

Is there something wrong with being willing to change your priorities based on the effect of previous policy? Do you really not want more police?

I sure as hell do, but I never called for defunding the police.
She can't even admit that she has gone a full 180 on the subject.

You act like that is some huge scandal but it’s just how government works. We try popular ideas out because democracy and then change our minds if it doesn’t work out. That’s a good thing. If Republicans had a political solution to crime then there wouldn’t be similar trends in red districts, yet there are. Most local dems are now trying to increase police recruitment. Your outrage is misplaced.

I find it hard to believe that you wrote this post and believe it. Trying the "popular idea" of reducing the number of police and thinking there wouldn't be dire consequences? Anyone with a brain would understand that criminals don't commit fewer crimes when they know they can basically get away with robberies, carjackings, and violence.

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Anonymous wrote:If big stores are leaving SF (whole foods/starbucks), there is a poop map of the city, needles everywhere, and acknowledgment that more police are needed, it tells me that there are significant issues there. In addition, there was the reparations discussion there that was approved by local legislative body which would concern me as well. So many competing priorities and what will they fund with the pot of money they have? It should be a priorities discussion, not raising taxes discussion.

People are leaving the city and for a good reason. I’m no republican but this stuff makes me weary of super liberal politics as well.

Yep.

Is there something wrong with being willing to change your priorities based on the effect of previous policy? Do you really not want more police?

I sure as hell do, but I never called for defunding the police.
She can't even admit that she has gone a full 180 on the subject.

You act like that is some huge scandal but it’s just how government works. We try popular ideas out because democracy and then change our minds if it doesn’t work out. That’s a good thing. If Republicans had a political solution to crime then there wouldn’t be similar trends in red districts, yet there are. Most local dems are now trying to increase police recruitment. Your outrage is misplaced.

I find it hard to believe that you wrote this post and believe it. Trying the "popular idea" of reducing the number of police and thinking there wouldn't be dire consequences? Anyone with a brain would understand that criminals don't commit fewer crimes when they know they can basically get away with robberies, carjackings, and violence.

+100

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If big stores are leaving SF (whole foods/starbucks), there is a poop map of the city, needles everywhere, and acknowledgment that more police are needed, it tells me that there are significant issues there. In addition, there was the reparations discussion there that was approved by local legislative body which would concern me as well. So many competing priorities and what will they fund with the pot of money they have? It should be a priorities discussion, not raising taxes discussion.

People are leaving the city and for a good reason. I’m no republican but this stuff makes me weary of super liberal politics as well.

Yep.

In 2020, crime was going down and at lows in most of the country. But with the pandemic, crime began to spike again.
#facts

The tweet was in August, 2020
Let's take a trip down memory lane. What was going on in the US during the summer of 2020?

In San Francisco:

On May 30, a protest was held at UN Plaza in the afternoon.[19] Later that night, looting occurred at Union Square stores and ten arrests on felony looting were made. San Francisco Mayor London Breed issued a curfew.[20]
On June 18, city officials removed a statue of Christopher Columbus in San Francisco's Pioneer Park (near Coit Tower) after calls had been made on social media to throw the statue into the San Francisco Bay.[23]
On June 19, demonstrators in Golden Gate Park toppled or otherwise vandalized statues of Catholic missionary Junipero Serra, Francis Scott Key (author of the lyrics to The Star-Spangled Banner), Ulysses S. Grant, author Miguel de Cervantes and his fictional characters Don Quixote and Sancho Panza.[23] The archbishop of San Francisco, Salvatore Cordileone, described the toppling of the saint's statue as "an act of sacrilege [and] an act of the Evil One", and on June 27 performed an exorcism at the site using the Prayer to Saint Michael.[24][25]

Sure, a great time to defund the police.
Do you think we are stupid, pp?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If big stores are leaving SF (whole foods/starbucks), there is a poop map of the city, needles everywhere, and acknowledgment that more police are needed, it tells me that there are significant issues there. In addition, there was the reparations discussion there that was approved by local legislative body which would concern me as well. So many competing priorities and what will they fund with the pot of money they have? It should be a priorities discussion, not raising taxes discussion.

People are leaving the city and for a good reason. I’m no republican but this stuff makes me weary of super liberal politics as well.

Yep.

Is there something wrong with being willing to change your priorities based on the effect of previous policy? Do you really not want more police?

I sure as hell do, but I never called for defunding the police.
She can't even admit that she has gone a full 180 on the subject.

You act like that is some huge scandal but it’s just how government works. We try popular ideas out because democracy and then change our minds if it doesn’t work out. That’s a good thing. If Republicans had a political solution to crime then there wouldn’t be similar trends in red districts, yet there are. Most local dems are now trying to increase police recruitment. Your outrage is misplaced.

We are NOT a democracy. Get that thru your thick head. Democracies are tyrannical and majority rule by nature.

That's not what we are. We are a republic. The word democracy does not appear in the Constitution once.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If big stores are leaving SF (whole foods/starbucks), there is a poop map of the city, needles everywhere, and acknowledgment that more police are needed, it tells me that there are significant issues there. In addition, there was the reparations discussion there that was approved by local legislative body which would concern me as well. So many competing priorities and what will they fund with the pot of money they have? It should be a priorities discussion, not raising taxes discussion.

People are leaving the city and for a good reason. I’m no republican but this stuff makes me weary of super liberal politics as well.

Yep.

Is there something wrong with being willing to change your priorities based on the effect of previous policy? Do you really not want more police?

I sure as hell do, but I never called for defunding the police.
She can't even admit that she has gone a full 180 on the subject.

You act like that is some huge scandal but it’s just how government works. We try popular ideas out because democracy and then change our minds if it doesn’t work out. That’s a good thing. If Republicans had a political solution to crime then there wouldn’t be similar trends in red districts, yet there are. Most local dems are now trying to increase police recruitment. Your outrage is misplaced.

We are NOT a democracy. Get that thru your thick head. Democracies are tyrannical and majority rule by nature.

That's not what we are. We are a republic. The word democracy does not appear in the Constitution once.

Well, it starts with WE THE PEOPLE…..

[Anonymous]

Hasn't this been happening for 50 years? I thought San Francisco was the setting for Death Wish and Dirty Harry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Took Caltrain in last week and had a great time. Did not see poop anywhere. I really don’t get the right wing boogie man obsession with San Francisco. It’s still a great city. We live on the Peninsula but have friends and relatives living in the city. They love it. The restaurants can’t be beat. There is a great beach on the west side. Nice museums and great zoo. Weather can be foggy but no snow or humidity!

Charles Barkley after being at a Warriors series, 'San Francisco needs a good washing.'

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And what do you suggest they do to fix it, PP? Lock up every man, woman, and child on the streets in a for-profit prison?

You start enforcing the existing laws even those for petty crimes. You attack the open air drug markets and get those dealers and addicts on the run. Hold people accountable for their actions, and the word gets out that SF is no longer the lax lawless town for vagrants and lowlifes. It is fair or compassionate to allow people to waste their lives on the streets, just getting high and stealing from others. I sure don't.

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"Crime is worse than the data shows," Charles "Cully" Stimson, Heritage Foundation senior legal fellow and former prosecutor in San Francisco, told Fox News Digital.

"People do not report these crimes because when you have a DA who's pro criminal and not going to enforce the law, the cops aren't going to go out and arrest somebody when they know the case is going to be no papered."

The first problem, according to Stimson, was the election of a Soros-backed D.A. with a reputation as soft of crime.

Stimson was referring to former San Francisco District Attorney George Gascón, who served in that role from January 2011 until October 2019. Stimson argued that Gascón's term ushered in a new era of rising crime in San Francisco, which had been experiencing nearly two decades of tumbling crime rates at the same time as many other major cities across the country.

Stimson argued that as Gascón's policies started to take hold in the city, crime started to rise around 2015 and 2016. The city's residents got no reprieve from the problem when Gascón left office, thanks to similar policies of former District Attorney Chesa Boudin from January 2020 until he was recalled in July 2022.

"Those policies include not prosecuting any misdemeanors, watering down most felonies to misdemeanors, not asking for long prison sentences even for people who are convicted of the worst crimes, never asking for bail," Stimson said.

Citing FBI and Justice Department data, Stimson pointed out that in the five years before Gascón took office in 2011, there were 757 reported rapes, an average of 151 per year, in San Francisco. But in Gascón's last five years in office, the city had a total of 1,731 reported rapes, or 346 per year.

"You always know with rape … the number of people actually raped is much higher than the number of people who report that they were raped," Stimson said.

He also pointed to aggravated assaults, which, in the five years before Gascón's tenure, tallied up to 11,921 reported incidents, or 2,384 per year. In the last five years of Gascón's term, that number jumped to 13,070, or 2,614 per year.

Such policies continued under the watch of Boudin, producing crime numbers that continued to hover well over pre-2011 rates.

San Francisco's crime issues did not stop with violent crime. The city has also had a surge of retail thefts that have forced many businesses to close their doors in recent years.

"Gascón and Boudin refused to prosecute retail thefts," Stimson said, citing a policy in which retails thefts under $1,000 went unprosecuted.

"You've seen the videos of people just engaging in the five-finger discount, walking into Target, walking into Nordstrom Rack … and just walking out during daylight with $950 worth of stuff," Stimson said. "They refused to prosecute any of that."

The lack of any serious threat of prosecution led many city residents and businesses to stop reporting the crimes altogether, a reality that has resulted in what is likely a vast undercount of such crimes in available statistics, he claimed.

If Fox news said it, it must be true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DH and I were in San Francisco last October and the homeless population scared the hell out of us. I say this with compassion and without any intention to blame the homeless population. It's the city's fault. We could not walk to dinner without being accosted or even followed.

Very sad situation.

The city invites them with very liberal policies on services to homeless people. Admirable on a human level, but when there is no equal work services to get them out of homelessness, you get a stagnant homeless population who will keep collecting benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:Quality of life there gas deteriorated. No amount of gaslighting can change that.

Quality of life has deteriorated throughout the entire country. Much more so in rural areas than any major Democratic controlled city.

100% false. Just came back to DC from two weeks in rural Eastern NC. Now my wife and I are house shopping. QOL is off the charts. Political climate is better, actual climate is better, cost of living is half, etc.

That’s just your biased opinion. Show me objective data because every statistic that I can find shows no such thing. Let me show you my sources and then you can show me your own maps that prove me wrong. But you can’t. Because you are wrong.

Much of the QOL map mirrors population density, poverty and also where most minorities live. Rural NC is nice if your Dc salary and savings gets you a nice house on some land. Not so good if you aren't near needed resources.

I noticed Maine has a high QOL which one may or may not agree with. It's nice in the summer, sure. But not a place you want to go for serious medical care or education for your kids. It's also expensive in many respects. Heating, fresh food - growing season is short. True land and therefore housing is affordable and it's nice that they have socialized medicine

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The cash app murderer was a tech consultant so there goes the entire premise of the thread, I guess.