San Francisco is imploding

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How much of San Francisco’s housing problem was caused by unregulated foreign money in real estate. We need to stop selling our country to other countries and non-citizens.

Do you really think that a passed-out drug addict lying on the sidewalk would be all that much better off with a roof over his head? Any apartment you put him in would be a filthy wreck within a month. SF has a drug and crime problem that dwarfs other issues like a housing shortage.

But San Francisco actually has a far lower crime rate than many other cities - same with residents with substance abuse problems.

San Francisco has many problems to be solved - but one issue it does NOT have is being a uniquely unsafe city when it comes to crime rates. That doesn't mean that San Francisco shouldn't address the crime in the city that his harming residents - but it's false to suggest that San Francisco's problems are 'because of crime'.

There's also foreign purchasing in San Fran that probably is driving up housing costs - but you can say the same about NYC, LA, Miami, and Chicago. And if this is your grievance - what level of government do you propose will solve it...and what is the constituency of politicians who will support solving it>

But they meant well, so it's all OK.

Reminds me of the bumper sticker: "Where am I going and why am I in this handbasket?"

When you stop arresting people that commit crime (e.g. people who walk into walgreens take a whole bunch of stuff and simply walk out), of course your rate of crime appears to be 'lower'. There are many ways to manipulate crime stats. But the fact that whole foods had to close in my not like a year due to outrageous levels of theft and safety issues speaks volumes. Now residents are left with a food desert.

The state legislature of California (with a blue supermajority) voted years back to “de-criminalize” a wide range of crimes, including minor theft, possession of stolen property under $1,000, possession of heroin, psychedelic drugs, etc.

Add to that the various “defund the police” initiatives such as no-pursuit policies, and add on top repeal of laws against “urban camping” (allowed anywhere now) and laws against aggressive pan-handling, public urination and defecation, and you get:

- crime ridden San Francisco.

Elections have consequences.

[Anonymous]

If big stores are leaving SF (whole foods/starbucks), there is a poop map of the city, needles everywhere, and acknowledgment that more police are needed, it tells me that there are significant issues there. In addition, there was the reparations discussion there that was approved by local legislative body which would concern me as well. So many competing priorities and what will they fund with the pot of money they have? It should be a priorities discussion, not raising taxes discussion.

People are leaving the city and for a good reason. I’m no republican but this stuff makes me weary of super liberal politics as well.

[Anonymous]

Maybe you should be posting in a San Fran forum so the people who actually live there can opine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If big stores are leaving SF (whole foods/starbucks), there is a poop map of the city, needles everywhere, and acknowledgment that more police are needed, it tells me that there are significant issues there. In addition, there was the reparations discussion there that was approved by local legislative body which would concern me as well. So many competing priorities and what will they fund with the pot of money they have? It should be a priorities discussion, not raising taxes discussion.

People are leaving the city and for a good reason. I’m no republican but this stuff makes me weary of super liberal politics as well.

If you're not willing to change the way you vote, you shouldn't be surprised when the same people in charge keep screwing things up.

[Anonymous]

Looks like average citizens aren't allowed to have fair trade coffee and organic microgreens in their salads because the city govt refuses to perform the basic govt task of ensuring public safety that has caused WF to close. But hey, at least the city govt allows you access to openly use heroin and fentanyl though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe you should be posting in a San Fran forum so the people who actually live there can opine.

I am not PP.

Did everyone know DCUM has a specific San Francisco Bay Area sub forum? Look under “regional forums.”

I will cross post this thread over there now. Stand by for resident input . . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looks like average citizens aren't allowed to have fair trade coffee and organic microgreens in their salads because the city govt refuses to perform the basic govt task of ensuring public safety that has caused WF to close. But hey, at least the city govt allows you access to openly use heroin and fentanyl though.

Forget 'allowing' you to do those drugs...they'll give you cash, set you up in a hotel room, and supply you with the needles or pipes you'll need to get started. Only a small amount of initiative on your part is needed to finish the job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How much of San Francisco’s housing problem was caused by unregulated foreign money in real estate. We need to stop selling our country to other countries and non-citizens.

Do you really think that a passed-out drug addict lying on the sidewalk would be all that much better off with a roof over his head? Any apartment you put him in would be a filthy wreck within a month. SF has a drug and crime problem that dwarfs other issues like a housing shortage.

But San Francisco actually has a far lower crime rate than many other cities - same with residents with substance abuse problems.

San Francisco has many problems to be solved - but one issue it does NOT have is being a uniquely unsafe city when it comes to crime rates. That doesn't mean that San Francisco shouldn't address the crime in the city that his harming residents - but it's false to suggest that San Francisco's problems are 'because of crime'.

There's also foreign purchasing in San Fran that probably is driving up housing costs - but you can say the same about NYC, LA, Miami, and Chicago. And if this is your grievance - what level of government do you propose will solve it...and what is the constituency of politicians who will support solving it>

I don’t buy your assertions about lower crime rates and drug usage. The last two reports I heard from people who visited within the last couple of months: one had his car broken into on his first night in the city, and the other said the whole place smelled like weed and there were homeless people everywhere. I’d love to offer you a firsthand account but I see no need to go back there ever again.

Yes we know that you don’t believe in math but facts are facts. San Francisco has one of the safest metro areas in the country. Rural counties are far more dangerous than San Francisco. The only reason why people feel otherwise is due to right wing lies and propaganda. Data and facts show the true picture tjat rural areas are far more dangerous than big city regions.

Deaths from selected external causes* per 100K population, 2020
Big Horn county, MT: 168.4
Calhoun County, MS: 161.5
Phillips County, AR: 138.7

San Francisco-Oakland Metropolitan Area: 16.9

Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
*Of the 997 counties for which the CDC reported mortality rates for 2020. All external causes except accidental poisoning, intentional self-harm, falls, complications of medical and surgical care and sequelae of external causes of morbidity and mortality

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-06-07/is-new-york-city-more-dangerous-than-rural-america

Kind of interesting that you listed a county in MT that is mostly an Indian reservation, which has its own system of policing and justice. Big Horn's population is 65% Indian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How much of San Francisco’s housing problem was caused by unregulated foreign money in real estate. We need to stop selling our country to other countries and non-citizens.

Do you really think that a passed-out drug addict lying on the sidewalk would be all that much better off with a roof over his head? Any apartment you put him in would be a filthy wreck within a month. SF has a drug and crime problem that dwarfs other issues like a housing shortage.

But San Francisco actually has a far lower crime rate than many other cities - same with residents with substance abuse problems.

San Francisco has many problems to be solved - but one issue it does NOT have is being a uniquely unsafe city when it comes to crime rates. That doesn't mean that San Francisco shouldn't address the crime in the city that his harming residents - but it's false to suggest that San Francisco's problems are 'because of crime'.

There's also foreign purchasing in San Fran that probably is driving up housing costs - but you can say the same about NYC, LA, Miami, and Chicago. And if this is your grievance - what level of government do you propose will solve it...and what is the constituency of politicians who will support solving it>

I don’t buy your assertions about lower crime rates and drug usage. The last two reports I heard from people who visited within the last couple of months: one had his car broken into on his first night in the city, and the other said the whole place smelled like weed and there were homeless people everywhere. I’d love to offer you a firsthand account but I see no need to go back there ever again.

Yes we know that you don’t believe in math but facts are facts. San Francisco has one of the safest metro areas in the country. Rural counties are far more dangerous than San Francisco. The only reason why people feel otherwise is due to right wing lies and propaganda. Data and facts show the true picture tjat rural areas are far more dangerous than big city regions.

Deaths from selected external causes* per 100K population, 2020
Big Horn county, MT: 168.4
Calhoun County, MS: 161.5
Phillips County, AR: 138.7

San Francisco-Oakland Metropolitan Area: 16.9

Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
*Of the 997 counties for which the CDC reported mortality rates for 2020. All external causes except accidental poisoning, intentional self-harm, falls, complications of medical and surgical care and sequelae of external causes of morbidity and mortality

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-06-07/is-new-york-city-more-dangerous-than-rural-america

Kind of interesting that you listed a county in MT that is mostly an Indian reservation, which has its own system of policing and justice. Big Horn's population is 65% Indian.

Also interesting that Phillips County, AR is a 65% democrat county. Maybe its run similarly to San Fran?

But yeah, some rural counties are problematic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If big stores are leaving SF (whole foods/starbucks), there is a poop map of the city, needles everywhere, and acknowledgment that more police are needed, it tells me that there are significant issues there. In addition, there was the reparations discussion there that was approved by local legislative body which would concern me as well. So many competing priorities and what will they fund with the pot of money they have? It should be a priorities discussion, not raising taxes discussion.

People are leaving the city and for a good reason. I’m no republican but this stuff makes me weary of super liberal politics as well.

Yep.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If big stores are leaving SF (whole foods/starbucks), there is a poop map of the city, needles everywhere, and acknowledgment that more police are needed, it tells me that there are significant issues there. In addition, there was the reparations discussion there that was approved by local legislative body which would concern me as well. So many competing priorities and what will they fund with the pot of money they have? It should be a priorities discussion, not raising taxes discussion.

People are leaving the city and for a good reason. I’m no republican but this stuff makes me weary of super liberal politics as well.

Yep.

Is there something wrong with being willing to change your priorities based on the effect of previous policy? Do you really not want more police?

[Anonymous]

Took Caltrain in last week and had a great time. Did not see poop anywhere. I really don’t get the right wing boogie man obsession with San Francisco. It’s still a great city. We live on the Peninsula but have friends and relatives living in the city. They love it. The restaurants can’t be beat. There is a great beach on the west side. Nice museums and great zoo. Weather can be foggy but no snow or humidity!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If big stores are leaving SF (whole foods/starbucks), there is a poop map of the city, needles everywhere, and acknowledgment that more police are needed, it tells me that there are significant issues there. In addition, there was the reparations discussion there that was approved by local legislative body which would concern me as well. So many competing priorities and what will they fund with the pot of money they have? It should be a priorities discussion, not raising taxes discussion.

People are leaving the city and for a good reason. I’m no republican but this stuff makes me weary of super liberal politics as well.

Yep.

Is there something wrong with being willing to change your priorities based on the effect of previous policy? Do you really not want more police?

I sure as hell do, but I never called for defunding the police.
She can't even admit that she has gone a full 180 on the subject.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If big stores are leaving SF (whole foods/starbucks), there is a poop map of the city, needles everywhere, and acknowledgment that more police are needed, it tells me that there are significant issues there. In addition, there was the reparations discussion there that was approved by local legislative body which would concern me as well. So many competing priorities and what will they fund with the pot of money they have? It should be a priorities discussion, not raising taxes discussion.

People are leaving the city and for a good reason. I’m no republican but this stuff makes me weary of super liberal politics as well.

Yep.

Is there something wrong with being willing to change your priorities based on the effect of previous policy? Do you really not want more police?

I sure as hell do, but I never called for defunding the police.
She can't even admit that she has gone a full 180 on the subject.

You act like that is some huge scandal but it’s just how government works. We try popular ideas out because democracy and then change our minds if it doesn’t work out. That’s a good thing. If Republicans had a political solution to crime then there wouldn’t be similar trends in red districts, yet there are. Most local dems are now trying to increase police recruitment. Your outrage is misplaced.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How much of San Francisco’s housing problem was caused by unregulated foreign money in real estate. We need to stop selling our country to other countries and non-citizens.

Do you really think that a passed-out drug addict lying on the sidewalk would be all that much better off with a roof over his head? Any apartment you put him in would be a filthy wreck within a month. SF has a drug and crime problem that dwarfs other issues like a housing shortage.

But San Francisco actually has a far lower crime rate than many other cities - same with residents with substance abuse problems.

San Francisco has many problems to be solved - but one issue it does NOT have is being a uniquely unsafe city when it comes to crime rates. That doesn't mean that San Francisco shouldn't address the crime in the city that his harming residents - but it's false to suggest that San Francisco's problems are 'because of crime'.

There's also foreign purchasing in San Fran that probably is driving up housing costs - but you can say the same about NYC, LA, Miami, and Chicago. And if this is your grievance - what level of government do you propose will solve it...and what is the constituency of politicians who will support solving it>

I don’t buy your assertions about lower crime rates and drug usage. The last two reports I heard from people who visited within the last couple of months: one had his car broken into on his first night in the city, and the other said the whole place smelled like weed and there were homeless people everywhere. I’d love to offer you a firsthand account but I see no need to go back there ever again.

Yes we know that you don’t believe in math but facts are facts. San Francisco has one of the safest metro areas in the country. Rural counties are far more dangerous than San Francisco. The only reason why people feel otherwise is due to right wing lies and propaganda. Data and facts show the true picture tjat rural areas are far more dangerous than big city regions.

Deaths from selected external causes* per 100K population, 2020
Big Horn county, MT: 168.4
Calhoun County, MS: 161.5
Phillips County, AR: 138.7

San Francisco-Oakland Metropolitan Area: 16.9

Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
*Of the 997 counties for which the CDC reported mortality rates for 2020. All external causes except accidental poisoning, intentional self-harm, falls, complications of medical and surgical care and sequelae of external causes of morbidity and mortality

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-06-07/is-new-york-city-more-dangerous-than-rural-america

Kind of interesting that you listed a county in MT that is mostly an Indian reservation, which has its own system of policing and justice. Big Horn's population is 65% Indian.

Big Horn is one of several native communities that started having its women being kidnapped, raped and murdered as oil and gas workers came.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/feb/03/murder-in-big-horn-showtime-docuseries-montana-missing-murdered-indigenous-women