Anyone else getting lots of deferrals?

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The concept of Public Ivy schools was introduced by Richard Moll, who coined the term in his 1985 book “The Public Ivy’s: A Guide to America’s Best Public Undergraduate Colleges and Universities”.

A 1985 publication with an errant possessive in the title is hardly tge standard bearer for current terminology. And, the notion is ridiculous. Ivy League is a sports league of certain colleges. They need there own catch phrase!

There’s an entire wiki page devoted to Public Ivies

I am pretty sure anyone can make a wiki page

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is probably what PP means:

The concept of Public Ivy schools was introduced by Richard Moll, who coined the term in his 1985 book “The Public Ivy’s: A Guide to America’s Best Public Undergraduate Colleges and Universities”.

A 1985 publication with an errant possessive in the title is hardly tge standard bearer for current terminology. And, the notion is ridiculous. Ivy League is a sports league of certain colleges. They need there own catch phrase!

There’s an entire wiki page devoted to Public Ivies

I am pretty sure anyone can make a wiki page

Yup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is probably what PP means:

The concept of Public Ivy schools was introduced by Richard Moll, who coined the term in his 1985 book “The Public Ivy’s: A Guide to America’s Best Public Undergraduate Colleges and Universities”.

A 1985 publication with an errant possessive in the title is hardly tge standard bearer for current terminology. And, the notion is ridiculous. Ivy League is a sports league of certain colleges. They need there own catch phrase!

There’s an entire wiki page devoted to Public Ivies

I am pretty sure anyone can make a wiki page

Yup.

You’ll do anything to excuse to excuse your own ignorance! Google the term before you post! Educate yourself before you post! You are wasting everyone’s time when you don’t!

[Anonymous]

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all deferrals (7EA mix of solid target and 2 low reaches) and one "let's look at mid-year grades" from what she thought we totally a safety. 2 Rejections from super high reaches.

It sounds like you got bad advice when you developed your list of schools. Safety schools aren't asking for mid-year grades - many are offering honors college, and sharing research opportunities and study abroad options to encourage high stat students to attend.

NP. We received advice constructing my DC’s college list from the school counselor at our “Big3” private school. Rejected at 2 likely schools (safeties), one target, 1 reach. Deferred from 2 likely schools and 5 target schools. I think the counselor was giving good advice based on knowledge in hand and was blindsided by this year’s admission results. They are not following the patterns in scoir AT ALL.

Are you willing to share names of these safeties?

What you are saying makes sense if this were 2021. We are several years into this new world of admissions, though. If a school doesn’t accept more than 50% of applicants, it is not a true safety for anyone, period. This goes double/triple for majors like engineering, CS, business, and neuroscience.

This is spot on. I don’t know think most college counselors appreciate this. I know I didn’t had a parent new to this process. I see so many parents with juniors now making the same bad assumptions.

So far my high stats kid (Mcps magnet, 4.0 UW, 13 AP, 35 ACT) has only gotten into 2 safeties and UMd honors college. Deferrals from the rest of EA.

Weird tangential Q, what mcps magnet has room for 13APs? Or, did your kid self study on a few based on a similar magnetclass? I have kids at 2 different magnets, and I don’t see how this is possible with the magnet schedules. Which magnet is this?

Poolesville SMCS. No self study. AP Calc BC counts as 2 tests because of the AB sub score. SMCS also has an extra period/extended school day. So yes, my kid worked his butt off through all those classes and 2 years of college math with straight As to get deferred by Case Western.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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all deferrals (7EA mix of solid target and 2 low reaches) and one "let's look at mid-year grades" from what she thought we totally a safety. 2 Rejections from super high reaches.

It sounds like you got bad advice when you developed your list of schools. Safety schools aren't asking for mid-year grades - many are offering honors college, and sharing research opportunities and study abroad options to encourage high stat students to attend.

NP. We received advice constructing my DC’s college list from the school counselor at our “Big3” private school. Rejected at 2 likely schools (safeties), one target, 1 reach. Deferred from 2 likely schools and 5 target schools. I think the counselor was giving good advice based on knowledge in hand and was blindsided by this year’s admission results. They are not following the patterns in scoir AT ALL.

Are you willing to share names of these safeties?

What you are saying makes sense if this were 2021. We are several years into this new world of admissions, though. If a school doesn’t accept more than 50% of applicants, it is not a true safety for anyone, period. This goes double/triple for majors like engineering, CS, business, and neuroscience.

This is spot on. I don’t know think most college counselors appreciate this. I know I didn’t had a parent new to this process. I see so many parents with juniors now making the same bad assumptions.

So far my high stats kid (Mcps magnet, 4.0 UW, 13 AP, 35 ACT) has only gotten into 2 safeties and UMd honors college. Deferrals from the rest of EA.

Weird tangential Q, what mcps magnet has room for 13APs? Or, did your kid self study on a few based on a similar magnetclass? I have kids at 2 different magnets, and I don’t see how this is possible with the magnet schedules. Which magnet is this?

Poolesville SMCS. No self study. AP Calc BC counts as 2 tests because of the AB sub score. SMCS also has an extra period/extended school day. So yes, my kid worked his butt off through all those classes and 2 years of college math with straight As to get deferred by Case Western.

AP Calc BC never counted as 2 classes/tests for my Blair kid (or for me 30+ years earlier). So, I call a littlebs on that. (Now, what colleges choose to give credit for is a different story). So that's 12 APs, really. My Blair kid also had an extra period and worked her tail off, starting with Functions and finishing with Complex Analysis. Only could fit about 8-9 APs with all the magnet classes and the fact that APs weren't allowed in 9th. One thing that may have made a difference is arts classes. Mine did an advanced art most years. I think the arts helped her with admissions.
Still, this time last year, she only had umd honors (which is a great admit, so hooray for that) and one other safety. Ended with several T15/top LACs. So, hope yours will get some more good news, but, if not, umd honors is a wonderful program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is probably what PP means:

The concept of Public Ivy schools was introduced by Richard Moll, who coined the term in his 1985 book “The Public Ivy’s: A Guide to America’s Best Public Undergraduate Colleges and Universities”.

A 1985 publication with an errant possessive in the title is hardly tge standard bearer for current terminology. And, the notion is ridiculous. Ivy League is a sports league of certain colleges. They need there own catch phrase!

There’s an entire wiki page devoted to Public Ivies

I am pretty sure anyone can make a wiki page

Yup.

You’ll do anything to excuse to excuse your own ignorance! Google the term before you post! Educate yourself before you post! You are wasting everyone’s time when you don’t!

This is bizarre. I'm a different poster, dude. Also, the fact that a wiki is not an edited page and one that anyone can alter is the reason it is not accepted as a valid source. I am a professor, so I understand the difference between valid research and googling. You might benefit from some education here.

[Anonymous]

You don't need to use Wiki. There are plenty of sources to confirm the term Public Ivy is known. Any search engine should suffice.

"The term “Public Ivy” was coined by higher education expert and author Richard Moll in 1985. A graduate from Yale who later worked in the admissions offices at Yale, UC Santa Cruz, Bowdoin College and Vassar College, Moll published two books on elite college admissions: one titled Playing the Selective College Admissions Game, and another titled The Public Ivys: A Guide to America’s Best Public Undergraduate Colleges and Universities. Many of the Public Ivies are recognized as top US universities that provide Ivy-level education at public school prices."

Included in Moll’s original list of Public Ivies are the following universities:

College of William & Mary
Miami University
University of Michigan: Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina: Chapel Hill
University of Texas: Austin
University of Vermont
University of Virginia
The University of California system (encompassing 9 schools)

However, in addition to this selection, Moll also determined a list of “runners-up” which included:

University of Colorado: Boulder
Georgia Institute of Technology
The University of Illinois: Urbana-Champaign
New College of Florida
Pennsylvania State University
Binghamton University
University of Pittsburgh
University of Washington
University of Wisconsin: Madison

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don't need to use Wiki. There are plenty of sources to confirm the term Public Ivy is known. Any search engine should suffice.

"The term “Public Ivy” was coined by higher education expert and author Richard Moll in 1985. A graduate from Yale who later worked in the admissions offices at Yale, UC Santa Cruz, Bowdoin College and Vassar College, Moll published two books on elite college admissions: one titled Playing the Selective College Admissions Game, and another titled The Public Ivys: A Guide to America’s Best Public Undergraduate Colleges and Universities. Many of the Public Ivies are recognized as top US universities that provide Ivy-level education at public school prices."

Included in Moll’s original list of Public Ivies are the following universities:

College of William & Mary
Miami University
University of Michigan: Ann Arbor
University of North Carolina: Chapel Hill
University of Texas: Austin
University of Vermont
University of Virginia
The University of California system (encompassing 9 schools)

However, in addition to this selection, Moll also determined a list of “runners-up” which included:

University of Colorado: Boulder
Georgia Institute of Technology
The University of Illinois: Urbana-Champaign
New College of Florida
Pennsylvania State University
Binghamton University
University of Pittsburgh
University of Washington
University of Wisconsin: Madison

Miami and Vermont seem a tad out of place. A lot can change in 40 years

[Anonymous]

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all deferrals (7EA mix of solid target and 2 low reaches) and one "let's look at mid-year grades" from what she thought we totally a safety. 2 Rejections from super high reaches.

It sounds like you got bad advice when you developed your list of schools. Safety schools aren't asking for mid-year grades - many are offering honors college, and sharing research opportunities and study abroad options to encourage high stat students to attend.

NP. We received advice constructing my DC’s college list from the school counselor at our “Big3” private school. Rejected at 2 likely schools (safeties), one target, 1 reach. Deferred from 2 likely schools and 5 target schools. I think the counselor was giving good advice based on knowledge in hand and was blindsided by this year’s admission results. They are not following the patterns in scoir AT ALL.

Are you willing to share names of these safeties?

What you are saying makes sense if this were 2021. We are several years into this new world of admissions, though. If a school doesn’t accept more than 50% of applicants, it is not a true safety for anyone, period. This goes double/triple for majors like engineering, CS, business, and neuroscience.

This is spot on. I don’t know think most college counselors appreciate this. I know I didn’t had a parent new to this process. I see so many parents with juniors now making the same bad assumptions.

So far my high stats kid (Mcps magnet, 4.0 UW, 13 AP, 35 ACT) has only gotten into 2 safeties and UMd honors college. Deferrals from the rest of EA.

Weird tangential Q, what mcps magnet has room for 13APs? Or, did your kid self study on a few based on a similar magnetclass? I have kids at 2 different magnets, and I don’t see how this is possible with the magnet schedules. Which magnet is this?

Poolesville SMCS. No self study. AP Calc BC counts as 2 tests because of the AB sub score. SMCS also has an extra period/extended school day. So yes, my kid worked his butt off through all those classes and 2 years of college math with straight As to get deferred by Case Western.

AP Calc BC never counted as 2 classes/tests for my Blair kid (or for me 30+ years earlier). So, I call a littlebs on that. (Now, what colleges choose to give credit for is a different story). So that's 12 APs, really. My Blair kid also had an extra period and worked her tail off, starting with Functions and finishing with Complex Analysis. Only could fit about 8-9 APs with all the magnet classes and the fact that APs weren't allowed in 9th. One thing that may have made a difference is arts classes. Mine did an advanced art most years. I think the arts helped her with admissions.
Still, this time last year, she only had umd honors (which is a great admit, so hooray for that) and one other safety. Ended with several T15/top LACs. So, hope yours will get some more good news, but, if not, umd honors is a wonderful program.

No BS. Application lists 13 exams. 5 of which have not taken test yet. But point is that other than UMd, just like OP it’s defer City over here too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

all deferrals (7EA mix of solid target and 2 low reaches) and one "let's look at mid-year grades" from what she thought we totally a safety. 2 Rejections from super high reaches.

It sounds like you got bad advice when you developed your list of schools. Safety schools aren't asking for mid-year grades - many are offering honors college, and sharing research opportunities and study abroad options to encourage high stat students to attend.

NP. We received advice constructing my DC’s college list from the school counselor at our “Big3” private school. Rejected at 2 likely schools (safeties), one target, 1 reach. Deferred from 2 likely schools and 5 target schools. I think the counselor was giving good advice based on knowledge in hand and was blindsided by this year’s admission results. They are not following the patterns in scoir AT ALL.

Are you willing to share names of these safeties?

What you are saying makes sense if this were 2021. We are several years into this new world of admissions, though. If a school doesn’t accept more than 50% of applicants, it is not a true safety for anyone, period. This goes double/triple for majors like engineering, CS, business, and neuroscience.

This is spot on. I don’t know think most college counselors appreciate this. I know I didn’t had a parent new to this process. I see so many parents with juniors now making the same bad assumptions.

So far my high stats kid (Mcps magnet, 4.0 UW, 13 AP, 35 ACT) has only gotten into 2 safeties and UMd honors college. Deferrals from the rest of EA.

Weird tangential Q, what mcps magnet has room for 13APs? Or, did your kid self study on a few based on a similar magnetclass? I have kids at 2 different magnets, and I don’t see how this is possible with the magnet schedules. Which magnet is this?

Poolesville SMCS. No self study. AP Calc BC counts as 2 tests because of the AB sub score. SMCS also has an extra period/extended school day. So yes, my kid worked his butt off through all those classes and 2 years of college math with straight As to get deferred by Case Western.

AP Calc BC never counted as 2 classes/tests for my Blair kid (or for me 30+ years earlier). So, I call a littlebs on that. (Now, what colleges choose to give credit for is a different story). So that's 12 APs, really. My Blair kid also had an extra period and worked her tail off, starting with Functions and finishing with Complex Analysis. Only could fit about 8-9 APs with all the magnet classes and the fact that APs weren't allowed in 9th. One thing that may have made a difference is arts classes. Mine did an advanced art most years. I think the arts helped her with admissions.
Still, this time last year, she only had umd honors (which is a great admit, so hooray for that) and one other safety. Ended with several T15/top LACs. So, hope yours will get some more good news, but, if not, umd honors is a wonderful program.

No BS. Application lists 13 exams. 5 of which have not taken test yet. But point is that other than UMd, just like OP it’s defer City over here too.

Are you saying your kid took AP calc BC and scored X, and and their score showed an AB subpart score of 5, and then they listed on the common app both ap calc AB with a score of 5 and BC calc with a score of X? I have never heard of anyone listed AP calc as such. Mine just listed their BC calc score (and they also had a 5 on the AB subpart). The calc exam isn’t like econ with two separate tests.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

all deferrals (7EA mix of solid target and 2 low reaches) and one "let's look at mid-year grades" from what she thought we totally a safety. 2 Rejections from super high reaches.

It sounds like you got bad advice when you developed your list of schools. Safety schools aren't asking for mid-year grades - many are offering honors college, and sharing research opportunities and study abroad options to encourage high stat students to attend.

NP. We received advice constructing my DC’s college list from the school counselor at our “Big3” private school. Rejected at 2 likely schools (safeties), one target, 1 reach. Deferred from 2 likely schools and 5 target schools. I think the counselor was giving good advice based on knowledge in hand and was blindsided by this year’s admission results. They are not following the patterns in scoir AT ALL.

Are you willing to share names of these safeties?

What you are saying makes sense if this were 2021. We are several years into this new world of admissions, though. If a school doesn’t accept more than 50% of applicants, it is not a true safety for anyone, period. This goes double/triple for majors like engineering, CS, business, and neuroscience.

This is spot on. I don’t know think most college counselors appreciate this. I know I didn’t had a parent new to this process. I see so many parents with juniors now making the same bad assumptions.

So far my high stats kid (Mcps magnet, 4.0 UW, 13 AP, 35 ACT) has only gotten into 2 safeties and UMd honors college. Deferrals from the rest of EA.

Weird tangential Q, what mcps magnet has room for 13APs? Or, did your kid self study on a few based on a similar magnetclass? I have kids at 2 different magnets, and I don’t see how this is possible with the magnet schedules. Which magnet is this?

Poolesville SMCS. No self study. AP Calc BC counts as 2 tests because of the AB sub score. SMCS also has an extra period/extended school day. So yes, my kid worked his butt off through all those classes and 2 years of college math with straight As to get deferred by Case Western.

AP Calc BC never counted as 2 classes/tests for my Blair kid (or for me 30+ years earlier). So, I call a littlebs on that. (Now, what colleges choose to give credit for is a different story). So that's 12 APs, really. My Blair kid also had an extra period and worked her tail off, starting with Functions and finishing with Complex Analysis. Only could fit about 8-9 APs with all the magnet classes and the fact that APs weren't allowed in 9th. One thing that may have made a difference is arts classes. Mine did an advanced art most years. I think the arts helped her with admissions.
Still, this time last year, she only had umd honors (which is a great admit, so hooray for that) and one other safety. Ended with several T15/top LACs. So, hope yours will get some more good news, but, if not, umd honors is a wonderful program.

No BS. Application lists 13 exams. 5 of which have not taken test yet. But point is that other than UMd, just like OP it’s defer City over here too.

Are you saying your kid took AP calc BC and scored X, and and their score showed an AB subpart score of 5, and then they listed on the common app both ap calc AB with a score of 5 and BC calc with a score of X? I have never heard of anyone listed AP calc as such. Mine just listed their BC calc score (and they also had a 5 on the AB subpart). The calc exam isn’t like econ with two separate tests.

Yeah, my kid got credit for 3 different college classes with his AP Calc BC score but still, it was only 1 high school class. He got credit for 2 college Econ classes with AP Micro and AP Macro but those were two different tests on different days. I would still only count that as 1 HS class (if I was counting at all) bc it was one class period for the entire year.

[Anonymous]

Lots of deferrals in my kids HS class thus far. Lots.

[Anonymous]

AP Calc BC counts as 1 AP.
AP macro-micro, taken in one year, has two different exams in May and counts as 2 APs.

Are the deferrals mostly in popular majors and large universities that have more impersonal applications (no supplemental essays, etc)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:AP Calc BC counts as 1 AP.
AP macro-micro, taken in one year, has two different exams in May and counts as 2 APs.

Are the deferrals mostly in popular majors and large universities that have more impersonal applications (no supplemental essays, etc)?

No

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AP Calc BC counts as 1 AP.
AP macro-micro, taken in one year, has two different exams in May and counts as 2 APs.

Are the deferrals mostly in popular majors and large universities that have more impersonal applications (no supplemental essays, etc)?

No

Thanks. My senior applied to an international affairs major, and took his time customizing his essays. He only has one deferral to a reach school that rejects no one in early action, which was expected. The rest are acceptances. His friend applying to engineering has lots of deferrals, and kind of blew off the essays, so I wondered if it was either the field of study or the lack of demonstrated interest or both.