Zelensky is Time’s Person of the Year

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Anonymous wrote:Zelensky is now going after the Orthodox Ukrainian church, trying to shut them down, banned political opposition until the state of emergency is over, and ordered all news channels under government control. This is not a benevolent leader

Poor Orthodox Ukrainian church. They were ready to welcome the "winning" side.

"For centuries the ancient Ukrainian branch of the church has been subordinate to the Russian Orthodox Church, based in Moscow. The leader of the Russian church, Patriarch Kirill, has strong ties to President Vladimir V. Putin, whose long tenure he has called “a miracle of God,” and has endorsed the invasion."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-orthodox-church.html

Any "man of god" who endorses a violent, brutal invasion of an innocent neighboring nation and justifies wanton killing of civilians is a COMPLETE FRAUD.

That innocent neighboring nation killed 10,000+ ethnic Russian civilians prior to the invasion. They shelled towns and let loose fascist paramilitary forces to slaughter civilians.

Very few countries are innocent. It doesn't mean that Russia starting a war is justified. And it is true, no man of God would endorse starting a war. "Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children of God.. Bless are the meek for they will inherit the earth".

I believe Putin (and Rs these days) don't believe in being meek.

But you see, you're perfectly willing to write off any casualties in Donbas before the invasion - while you weep for the casualties after.

PP here.. I have never stated anything of that nature. I was responding to the ^^PP statement about how the Orthodoxy church in Ukraine supports Russia's invasion of Ukraine. No man of God would support such a war.

Zelensky, no matter how flawed, is the "man of the year" for standing up to Putin and Russia. I know that MAGA and Trump would've bowed down to Putin's invasion. Zelensky is tougher than Trump, who time and time again blamed generals for his own failings, but took credit as CiC if something went well. So glad Trump is out of the WH. The world, and Ukraine especially, is better for it.

Somehow Putin didn't recognize this. He chose not to invade when Trump was President, but chose to invade when Obama was President and when Biden was President.

Yes, the Russians invaded under Obama and Biden because Trump was poised to give Putin what he wanted - pulling the US out of NATO and undermining Article 5. Why invade when the US President is going to accomplish Russian objectives for Russia?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/04/bolton-says-trump-might-have-pulled-us-out-nato-if-he-had-been-reelected/

“In a second Trump term, I think he may well have withdrawn from NATO,” Bolton said. “And I think [Russian President Vladimir] Putin was waiting for that.”. (John Bolton, former National Security Advisor to Trump)

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Anonymous wrote:Zelensky is now going after the Orthodox Ukrainian church, trying to shut them down, banned political opposition until the state of emergency is over, and ordered all news channels under government control. This is not a benevolent leader

Poor Orthodox Ukrainian church. They were ready to welcome the "winning" side.

"For centuries the ancient Ukrainian branch of the church has been subordinate to the Russian Orthodox Church, based in Moscow. The leader of the Russian church, Patriarch Kirill, has strong ties to President Vladimir V. Putin, whose long tenure he has called “a miracle of God,” and has endorsed the invasion."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-orthodox-church.html

Any "man of god" who endorses a violent, brutal invasion of an innocent neighboring nation and justifies wanton killing of civilians is a COMPLETE FRAUD.

That innocent neighboring nation killed 10,000+ ethnic Russian civilians prior to the invasion. They shelled towns and let loose fascist paramilitary forces to slaughter civilians.

Very few countries are innocent. It doesn't mean that Russia starting a war is justified. And it is true, no man of God would endorse starting a war. "Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children of God.. Bless are the meek for they will inherit the earth".

I believe Putin (and Rs these days) don't believe in being meek.

But you see, you're perfectly willing to write off any casualties in Donbas before the invasion - while you weep for the casualties after.

But you see, Russia shouldn’t have started sh— there either.

If you agree with Ukraine shelling Donbas that wanted to separate, you must agree with Russia shelling Grozny too.

Nope. Just like I won’t support Texas seceding.

Then Putin was perfectly within his right to shell Chechnya.

The only consistency you'll find here is that its ok when our guys do it and bad when the other guy does it. Everything else is window dressing.

That's exactly what I said in my original comment.

Ukraine shelling Donbas separatists = they are defending their country's integrity and fighting Russia.

Russia shelling Chechen separatists = human rights criminals, oppressors of freedom.

Stop calling them "Donbas separatists" - from the start it always was a soft invasion by Putin, using FSB, Wagner mercenaries, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Zelensky is now going after the Orthodox Ukrainian church, trying to shut them down, banned political opposition until the state of emergency is over, and ordered all news channels under government control. This is not a benevolent leader

Poor Orthodox Ukrainian church. They were ready to welcome the "winning" side.

"For centuries the ancient Ukrainian branch of the church has been subordinate to the Russian Orthodox Church, based in Moscow. The leader of the Russian church, Patriarch Kirill, has strong ties to President Vladimir V. Putin, whose long tenure he has called “a miracle of God,” and has endorsed the invasion."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-orthodox-church.html

Any "man of god" who endorses a violent, brutal invasion of an innocent neighboring nation and justifies wanton killing of civilians is a COMPLETE FRAUD.

That innocent neighboring nation killed 10,000+ ethnic Russian civilians prior to the invasion. They shelled towns and let loose fascist paramilitary forces to slaughter civilians.

Very few countries are innocent. It doesn't mean that Russia starting a war is justified. And it is true, no man of God would endorse starting a war. "Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children of God.. Bless are the meek for they will inherit the earth".

I believe Putin (and Rs these days) don't believe in being meek.

But you see, you're perfectly willing to write off any casualties in Donbas before the invasion - while you weep for the casualties after.

But you see, Russia shouldn’t have started sh— there either.

If you agree with Ukraine shelling Donbas that wanted to separate, you must agree with Russia shelling Grozny too.

Stop this BS narrative. There was no shelling before 2014. It all started after Putin's corrupt criminal puppet Yanukovich was thrown out after betraying a popular majority will to join the EU. If it was truly just some purely homegrown organic separatist movement then why was Donbas full of known FSB agents like Igor Girkin, why was Donbas full of known Wagner mercenaries, why were they seizing control of local goverrnments in Donbas?

The so-called separatist movement was nothing more than Putin attempting to destabilize Ukraine and cause a civil war after his guy Yanukovich was thrown out.

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Anonymous wrote:Zelensky is now going after the Orthodox Ukrainian church, trying to shut them down, banned political opposition until the state of emergency is over, and ordered all news channels under government control. This is not a benevolent leader

Poor Orthodox Ukrainian church. They were ready to welcome the "winning" side.

"For centuries the ancient Ukrainian branch of the church has been subordinate to the Russian Orthodox Church, based in Moscow. The leader of the Russian church, Patriarch Kirill, has strong ties to President Vladimir V. Putin, whose long tenure he has called “a miracle of God,” and has endorsed the invasion."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-orthodox-church.html

Any "man of god" who endorses a violent, brutal invasion of an innocent neighboring nation and justifies wanton killing of civilians is a COMPLETE FRAUD.

That innocent neighboring nation killed 10,000+ ethnic Russian civilians prior to the invasion. They shelled towns and let loose fascist paramilitary forces to slaughter civilians.

Very few countries are innocent. It doesn't mean that Russia starting a war is justified. And it is true, no man of God would endorse starting a war. "Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children of God.. Bless are the meek for they will inherit the earth".

I believe Putin (and Rs these days) don't believe in being meek.

But you see, you're perfectly willing to write off any casualties in Donbas before the invasion - while you weep for the casualties after.

But you see, Russia shouldn’t have started sh— there either.

If you agree with Ukraine shelling Donbas that wanted to separate, you must agree with Russia shelling Grozny too.

Stop this BS narrative. There was no shelling before 2014. It all started after Putin's corrupt criminal puppet Yanukovich was thrown out after betraying a popular majority will to join the EU. If it was truly just some purely homegrown organic separatist movement then why was Donbas full of known FSB agents like Igor Girkin, why was Donbas full of known Wagner mercenaries, why were they seizing control of local goverrnments in Donbas?

The so-called separatist movement was nothing more than Putin attempting to destabilize Ukraine and cause a civil war after his guy Yanukovich was thrown out.

There was no revolution with which Donbas disagreed before 2014 either. Maybe Ukrainian nationalists shouldn't have been pissing on the pro-Russian part of their electorate.

I don't think you have any credentials to ascertain how homegrown these separatist movements were. And you specifically have no idea how much Saudi/Turkish money, ammo and fighters changed the calculus in Chechnya.

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Anonymous wrote:Zelensky is now going after the Orthodox Ukrainian church, trying to shut them down, banned political opposition until the state of emergency is over, and ordered all news channels under government control. This is not a benevolent leader

Poor Orthodox Ukrainian church. They were ready to welcome the "winning" side.

"For centuries the ancient Ukrainian branch of the church has been subordinate to the Russian Orthodox Church, based in Moscow. The leader of the Russian church, Patriarch Kirill, has strong ties to President Vladimir V. Putin, whose long tenure he has called “a miracle of God,” and has endorsed the invasion."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-orthodox-church.html

Any "man of god" who endorses a violent, brutal invasion of an innocent neighboring nation and justifies wanton killing of civilians is a COMPLETE FRAUD.

That innocent neighboring nation killed 10,000+ ethnic Russian civilians prior to the invasion. They shelled towns and let loose fascist paramilitary forces to slaughter civilians.

Very few countries are innocent. It doesn't mean that Russia starting a war is justified. And it is true, no man of God would endorse starting a war. "Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children of God.. Bless are the meek for they will inherit the earth".

I believe Putin (and Rs these days) don't believe in being meek.

But you see, you're perfectly willing to write off any casualties in Donbas before the invasion - while you weep for the casualties after.

But you see, Russia shouldn’t have started sh— there either.

If you agree with Ukraine shelling Donbas that wanted to separate, you must agree with Russia shelling Grozny too.

Nope. Just like I won’t support Texas seceding.

Then Putin was perfectly within his right to shell Chechnya.

The only consistency you'll find here is that its ok when our guys do it and bad when the other guy does it. Everything else is window dressing.

That's exactly what I said in my original comment.

Ukraine shelling Donbas separatists = they are defending their country's integrity and fighting Russia.

Russia shelling Chechen separatists = human rights criminals, oppressors of freedom.

Stop calling them "Donbas separatists" - from the start it always was a soft invasion by Putin, using FSB, Wagner mercenaries, etc.

What makes you think it had no popular support? And since when does outside support negate domestic outcomes? Are you demonstrating against secession of South Sudan, which owes much of its independence to the US? For that matter, are you going to pretend that the US didn't put its two thumbs on the scale in Ukraine in 2014? Come on.

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Anonymous wrote:Zelensky is now going after the Orthodox Ukrainian church, trying to shut them down, banned political opposition until the state of emergency is over, and ordered all news channels under government control. This is not a benevolent leader

Poor Orthodox Ukrainian church. They were ready to welcome the "winning" side.

"For centuries the ancient Ukrainian branch of the church has been subordinate to the Russian Orthodox Church, based in Moscow. The leader of the Russian church, Patriarch Kirill, has strong ties to President Vladimir V. Putin, whose long tenure he has called “a miracle of God,” and has endorsed the invasion."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-orthodox-church.html

“Patriarch Kirill” is not a patriarch, nor even a Christian.

Kirill is a FSB (formerly KGB) agent, and a bastard.

Even by Russian standards, he is completely corrupt.

The man is a farce and a ridiculous puppet. I pity anyone who still follows this charlatan.