Zelensky is Time’s Person of the Year

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Anonymous wrote:Zelensky is now going after the Orthodox Ukrainian church, trying to shut them down, banned political opposition until the state of emergency is over, and ordered all news channels under government control. This is not a benevolent leader

Poor Orthodox Ukrainian church. They were ready to welcome the "winning" side.

"For centuries the ancient Ukrainian branch of the church has been subordinate to the Russian Orthodox Church, based in Moscow. The leader of the Russian church, Patriarch Kirill, has strong ties to President Vladimir V. Putin, whose long tenure he has called “a miracle of God,” and has endorsed the invasion."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-orthodox-church.html

Any "man of god" who endorses a violent, brutal invasion of an innocent neighboring nation and justifies wanton killing of civilians is a COMPLETE FRAUD.

That innocent neighboring nation killed 10,000+ ethnic Russian civilians prior to the invasion. They shelled towns and let loose fascist paramilitary forces to slaughter civilians.

Very few countries are innocent. It doesn't mean that Russia starting a war is justified. And it is true, no man of God would endorse starting a war. "Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children of God.. Bless are the meek for they will inherit the earth".

I believe Putin (and Rs these days) don't believe in being meek.

But you see, you're perfectly willing to write off any casualties in Donbas before the invasion - while you weep for the casualties after.

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Anonymous wrote:Zelensky is now going after the Orthodox Ukrainian church, trying to shut them down, banned political opposition until the state of emergency is over, and ordered all news channels under government control. This is not a benevolent leader

Poor Orthodox Ukrainian church. They were ready to welcome the "winning" side.

"For centuries the ancient Ukrainian branch of the church has been subordinate to the Russian Orthodox Church, based in Moscow. The leader of the Russian church, Patriarch Kirill, has strong ties to President Vladimir V. Putin, whose long tenure he has called “a miracle of God,” and has endorsed the invasion."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-orthodox-church.html

Any "man of god" who endorses a violent, brutal invasion of an innocent neighboring nation and justifies wanton killing of civilians is a COMPLETE FRAUD.

That innocent neighboring nation killed 10,000+ ethnic Russian civilians prior to the invasion. They shelled towns and let loose fascist paramilitary forces to slaughter civilians.

Very few countries are innocent. It doesn't mean that Russia starting a war is justified. And it is true, no man of God would endorse starting a war. "Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children of God.. Bless are the meek for they will inherit the earth".

I believe Putin (and Rs these days) don't believe in being meek.

But you see, you're perfectly willing to write off any casualties in Donbas before the invasion - while you weep for the casualties after.

But you see, Russia shouldn’t have started sh— there either.

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Anonymous wrote:Zelensky is now going after the Orthodox Ukrainian church, trying to shut them down, banned political opposition until the state of emergency is over, and ordered all news channels under government control. This is not a benevolent leader

Poor Orthodox Ukrainian church. They were ready to welcome the "winning" side.

"For centuries the ancient Ukrainian branch of the church has been subordinate to the Russian Orthodox Church, based in Moscow. The leader of the Russian church, Patriarch Kirill, has strong ties to President Vladimir V. Putin, whose long tenure he has called “a miracle of God,” and has endorsed the invasion."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-orthodox-church.html

Any "man of god" who endorses a violent, brutal invasion of an innocent neighboring nation and justifies wanton killing of civilians is a COMPLETE FRAUD.

That innocent neighboring nation killed 10,000+ ethnic Russian civilians prior to the invasion. They shelled towns and let loose fascist paramilitary forces to slaughter civilians.

So Urkaine slaughtered over 10,000 ethnic Russian civilians, forcing Putin to invade it and put an end to that? I'm going to have to ask for cites for that.

Are you completely unaware of the coup in 2014? That not all Ukrainians were happy with that? That some wanted nothing to do with the illegitimate government that came to power? That this started an 8+ year war for independence? That the Ukraine made war on anyone that refused to accept the outcome of the coup? That the Ukraine allowed regional militias to organize to intimidate civilians that were pro-Russia?

Here's the wiki summary in case you genuinely didn't know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas_(2014%E2%80%932022)

That's... quite the retelling of what happened. Omitting the Euromaiden protests and the subsequent Revolution of Dignity, leaving out the invasion and annexation of Crimea by Russia, and the overt and covert support they gave to separatists in Donbas? Poor Russia had no choice but to invade Ukraine... SMH.....

You omit things too, don't you? The anti-Maidan protests? The violent suppression of them? The arson in Odessa during anti-Maidan events in 2014 that burned 42 people alive, which Zelensky promised to investigate but never did?

Who is a separatist and who isn't is a matter of judgment. Countries break apart every day. Who decides which movements are legitimate and which aren't? Politics of the day. Nothing else. Were Chechens separatist? Should they have been allowed to become independent? Did Russia do the right thing by forcing them to stay within Russia? Do you wish for the Chechen independence? Then you must agree with Donbas' independence as well. If you condone Ukraine's attack on Donbas caused by their separatist wishes, then you must similarly condone what Russia did in Chechnya. But American politics aren't really ever guided by logic. The guy we support is allowed to do anything he wants. The guy we don't can't even hold his fork right.

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Anonymous wrote:Zelensky is now going after the Orthodox Ukrainian church, trying to shut them down, banned political opposition until the state of emergency is over, and ordered all news channels under government control. This is not a benevolent leader

Poor Orthodox Ukrainian church. They were ready to welcome the "winning" side.

"For centuries the ancient Ukrainian branch of the church has been subordinate to the Russian Orthodox Church, based in Moscow. The leader of the Russian church, Patriarch Kirill, has strong ties to President Vladimir V. Putin, whose long tenure he has called “a miracle of God,” and has endorsed the invasion."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-orthodox-church.html

Any "man of god" who endorses a violent, brutal invasion of an innocent neighboring nation and justifies wanton killing of civilians is a COMPLETE FRAUD.

That innocent neighboring nation killed 10,000+ ethnic Russian civilians prior to the invasion. They shelled towns and let loose fascist paramilitary forces to slaughter civilians.

Very few countries are innocent. It doesn't mean that Russia starting a war is justified. And it is true, no man of God would endorse starting a war. "Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children of God.. Bless are the meek for they will inherit the earth".

I believe Putin (and Rs these days) don't believe in being meek.

But you see, you're perfectly willing to write off any casualties in Donbas before the invasion - while you weep for the casualties after.

But you see, Russia shouldn’t have started sh— there either.

If you agree with Ukraine shelling Donbas that wanted to separate, you must agree with Russia shelling Grozny too.

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Ukraine has made progress against corruption, which requires complicated changes in legislation politics and courts and is a long term project (and part of why Putin threatens Ukraine - to protect the corrupt oligarchs who own land and business in Ukraine)..

You really don't understand this space at all. The only way to make progress against corruption in Ukraine is to give every Ukrainian a brain transplant.

Ukraine may have the best anti-corruption legislation on the planet. I mean bribery is illegal in Russia, too. Legislation isn't a problem. Culture is. And the fact of the matter is that in this general post-USSR space bribery and corruption are viewed as part of life. They are not considered unacceptable. Every Ukrainian, if honest, will tell you a story of how they tried to bribe someone, anyone, to get ahead, and usually found someone to take it. This is just how things are done.

Does culture change? Maybe. but not with laws. Culture trumps structure, always did.

It's obvious some of you have never watched Zelenskyy's show, "Sluha Narodu" (Servant of the People).

It was wildly popular because of its anti-corruption takes, and that is part of what led Zelenskyy to ultimately get elected.

The Ukrainian people are sick and tired of corruption, much of which was left over and entrenched from the Soviet legacy.

Everyone is sick and tired of corruption but resorts to it to get stuff done.

It's not a Soviet legacy. At this rate, you'd be saying corruption in Central Asia is a Soviet legacy too, lol.

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Ukraine has made progress against corruption, which requires complicated changes in legislation politics and courts and is a long term project (and part of why Putin threatens Ukraine - to protect the corrupt oligarchs who own land and business in Ukraine)..

You really don't understand this space at all. The only way to make progress against corruption in Ukraine is to give every Ukrainian a brain transplant.

Ukraine may have the best anti-corruption legislation on the planet. I mean bribery is illegal in Russia, too. Legislation isn't a problem. Culture is. And the fact of the matter is that in this general post-USSR space bribery and corruption are viewed as part of life. They are not considered unacceptable. Every Ukrainian, if honest, will tell you a story of how they tried to bribe someone, anyone, to get ahead, and usually found someone to take it. This is just how things are done.

Does culture change? Maybe. but not with laws. Culture trumps structure, always did.

Wow. Racist much? As the material I quoted stated - Ukrainian culture has changed - that’s what Maidan and the Revolution of Dignity were about. The problem is that some elements of Ukrainian society - often those linked to Russian businesses and political parties, because those were privileged for a long time - do not want to give up the benefits derived from corruption or want to be able to hide their corrupt past acts or avoid prosecution.

Thus why Yanukovych fled instead of running for office again. He knew he would not win because Maidan showed that people no longer had to tolerate his and his party’s brand of corruption. And he knew that if he were no longer President, he likely would be prosecuted for his corruption. That is also why Putin holds onto power by any means necessary - once out of power he will likely be prosecuted for his massive corruption.

LOL is what DOS produces now in its talking points shop?

Ukrainian culture has not changed wholesale.

Maidan came with antiMaidan, and the latter was just as legitimate as the former.

Oligarchs don't have a country. Ukraine grows its own oligarchs quite successfully. Russia doesn't have a monopoly on that particular line of business. Zelensky grew its own field of coooperative moneypots. You're very naive.

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Anonymous wrote:Zelensky is now going after the Orthodox Ukrainian church, trying to shut them down, banned political opposition until the state of emergency is over, and ordered all news channels under government control. This is not a benevolent leader

Poor Orthodox Ukrainian church. They were ready to welcome the "winning" side.

"For centuries the ancient Ukrainian branch of the church has been subordinate to the Russian Orthodox Church, based in Moscow. The leader of the Russian church, Patriarch Kirill, has strong ties to President Vladimir V. Putin, whose long tenure he has called “a miracle of God,” and has endorsed the invasion."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-orthodox-church.html

Any "man of god" who endorses a violent, brutal invasion of an innocent neighboring nation and justifies wanton killing of civilians is a COMPLETE FRAUD.

That innocent neighboring nation killed 10,000+ ethnic Russian civilians prior to the invasion. They shelled towns and let loose fascist paramilitary forces to slaughter civilians.

Very few countries are innocent. It doesn't mean that Russia starting a war is justified. And it is true, no man of God would endorse starting a war. "Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children of God.. Bless are the meek for they will inherit the earth".

I believe Putin (and Rs these days) don't believe in being meek.

But you see, you're perfectly willing to write off any casualties in Donbas before the invasion - while you weep for the casualties after.

But you see, Russia shouldn’t have started sh— there either.

If you agree with Ukraine shelling Donbas that wanted to separate, you must agree with Russia shelling Grozny too.

Nope. Just like I won’t support Texas seceding.

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Anonymous wrote:Zelensky is now going after the Orthodox Ukrainian church, trying to shut them down, banned political opposition until the state of emergency is over, and ordered all news channels under government control. This is not a benevolent leader

Poor Orthodox Ukrainian church. They were ready to welcome the "winning" side.

"For centuries the ancient Ukrainian branch of the church has been subordinate to the Russian Orthodox Church, based in Moscow. The leader of the Russian church, Patriarch Kirill, has strong ties to President Vladimir V. Putin, whose long tenure he has called “a miracle of God,” and has endorsed the invasion."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-orthodox-church.html

Any "man of god" who endorses a violent, brutal invasion of an innocent neighboring nation and justifies wanton killing of civilians is a COMPLETE FRAUD.

That innocent neighboring nation killed 10,000+ ethnic Russian civilians prior to the invasion. They shelled towns and let loose fascist paramilitary forces to slaughter civilians.

Very few countries are innocent. It doesn't mean that Russia starting a war is justified. And it is true, no man of God would endorse starting a war. "Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children of God.. Bless are the meek for they will inherit the earth".

I believe Putin (and Rs these days) don't believe in being meek.

But you see, you're perfectly willing to write off any casualties in Donbas before the invasion - while you weep for the casualties after.

But you see, Russia shouldn’t have started sh— there either.

If you agree with Ukraine shelling Donbas that wanted to separate, you must agree with Russia shelling Grozny too.

Nope. Just like I won’t support Texas seceding.

Then Putin was perfectly within his right to shell Chechnya.

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Anonymous wrote:Zelensky is now going after the Orthodox Ukrainian church, trying to shut them down, banned political opposition until the state of emergency is over, and ordered all news channels under government control. This is not a benevolent leader

Poor Orthodox Ukrainian church. They were ready to welcome the "winning" side.

"For centuries the ancient Ukrainian branch of the church has been subordinate to the Russian Orthodox Church, based in Moscow. The leader of the Russian church, Patriarch Kirill, has strong ties to President Vladimir V. Putin, whose long tenure he has called “a miracle of God,” and has endorsed the invasion."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-orthodox-church.html

Any "man of god" who endorses a violent, brutal invasion of an innocent neighboring nation and justifies wanton killing of civilians is a COMPLETE FRAUD.

That innocent neighboring nation killed 10,000+ ethnic Russian civilians prior to the invasion. They shelled towns and let loose fascist paramilitary forces to slaughter civilians.

Very few countries are innocent. It doesn't mean that Russia starting a war is justified. And it is true, no man of God would endorse starting a war. "Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children of God.. Bless are the meek for they will inherit the earth".

I believe Putin (and Rs these days) don't believe in being meek.

But you see, you're perfectly willing to write off any casualties in Donbas before the invasion - while you weep for the casualties after.

But you see, Russia shouldn’t have started sh— there either.

If you agree with Ukraine shelling Donbas that wanted to separate, you must agree with Russia shelling Grozny too.

Nope. Just like I won’t support Texas seceding.

Then Putin was perfectly within his right to shell Chechnya.

The only consistency you'll find here is that its ok when our guys do it and bad when the other guy does it. Everything else is window dressing.

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Anonymous wrote:Zelensky is now going after the Orthodox Ukrainian church, trying to shut them down, banned political opposition until the state of emergency is over, and ordered all news channels under government control. This is not a benevolent leader

Poor Orthodox Ukrainian church. They were ready to welcome the "winning" side.

"For centuries the ancient Ukrainian branch of the church has been subordinate to the Russian Orthodox Church, based in Moscow. The leader of the Russian church, Patriarch Kirill, has strong ties to President Vladimir V. Putin, whose long tenure he has called “a miracle of God,” and has endorsed the invasion."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-orthodox-church.html

Any "man of god" who endorses a violent, brutal invasion of an innocent neighboring nation and justifies wanton killing of civilians is a COMPLETE FRAUD.

That innocent neighboring nation killed 10,000+ ethnic Russian civilians prior to the invasion. They shelled towns and let loose fascist paramilitary forces to slaughter civilians.

Very few countries are innocent. It doesn't mean that Russia starting a war is justified. And it is true, no man of God would endorse starting a war. "Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children of God.. Bless are the meek for they will inherit the earth".

I believe Putin (and Rs these days) don't believe in being meek.

But you see, you're perfectly willing to write off any casualties in Donbas before the invasion - while you weep for the casualties after.

But you see, Russia shouldn’t have started sh— there either.

If you agree with Ukraine shelling Donbas that wanted to separate, you must agree with Russia shelling Grozny too.

Nope. Just like I won’t support Texas seceding.

Then Putin was perfectly within his right to shell Chechnya.

No, Boris. Maybe go boost Putin on Twitter. I hear Elon has made that a safe place for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Zelensky is now going after the Orthodox Ukrainian church, trying to shut them down, banned political opposition until the state of emergency is over, and ordered all news channels under government control. This is not a benevolent leader

Poor Orthodox Ukrainian church. They were ready to welcome the "winning" side.

"For centuries the ancient Ukrainian branch of the church has been subordinate to the Russian Orthodox Church, based in Moscow. The leader of the Russian church, Patriarch Kirill, has strong ties to President Vladimir V. Putin, whose long tenure he has called “a miracle of God,” and has endorsed the invasion."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-orthodox-church.html

Any "man of god" who endorses a violent, brutal invasion of an innocent neighboring nation and justifies wanton killing of civilians is a COMPLETE FRAUD.

That innocent neighboring nation killed 10,000+ ethnic Russian civilians prior to the invasion. They shelled towns and let loose fascist paramilitary forces to slaughter civilians.

So Urkaine slaughtered over 10,000 ethnic Russian civilians, forcing Putin to invade it and put an end to that? I'm going to have to ask for cites for that.

Are you completely unaware of the coup in 2014? That not all Ukrainians were happy with that? That some wanted nothing to do with the illegitimate government that came to power? That this started an 8+ year war for independence? That the Ukraine made war on anyone that refused to accept the outcome of the coup? That the Ukraine allowed regional militias to organize to intimidate civilians that were pro-Russia?

Here's the wiki summary in case you genuinely didn't know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas_(2014%E2%80%932022)

That's... quite the retelling of what happened. Omitting the Euromaiden protests and the subsequent Revolution of Dignity, leaving out the invasion and annexation of Crimea by Russia, and the overt and covert support they gave to separatists in Donbas? Poor Russia had no choice but to invade Ukraine... SMH.....

I note that you assume that all the protests with which you agree are self-organized, and all the protests with which you disagree must necessarily be plotted by Russia.

Our daycare teacher is from Donetsk. She is against the war, of course. But she has zero use for the Ukrainian government from 2014 onwards for the aggressive Ukrainization and complete disregard for any sentiment that disagreed with the party line. When the war started, we expressed concern, and she said that for them, the war started in 2014.

This is why I don’t rely on childcare workers for my geopolitical “hot takes”

Sure. A DCUM theorist should be more trusted than someone who lived through it. This is how you belittle and dehumanize people who disagree with you.

I’m sure your nanny is great with imaginative play and keeping the kids off screens 👍

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Anonymous wrote:Zelensky is now going after the Orthodox Ukrainian church, trying to shut them down, banned political opposition until the state of emergency is over, and ordered all news channels under government control. This is not a benevolent leader

Poor Orthodox Ukrainian church. They were ready to welcome the "winning" side.

"For centuries the ancient Ukrainian branch of the church has been subordinate to the Russian Orthodox Church, based in Moscow. The leader of the Russian church, Patriarch Kirill, has strong ties to President Vladimir V. Putin, whose long tenure he has called “a miracle of God,” and has endorsed the invasion."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-orthodox-church.html

Any "man of god" who endorses a violent, brutal invasion of an innocent neighboring nation and justifies wanton killing of civilians is a COMPLETE FRAUD.

That innocent neighboring nation killed 10,000+ ethnic Russian civilians prior to the invasion. They shelled towns and let loose fascist paramilitary forces to slaughter civilians.

Very few countries are innocent. It doesn't mean that Russia starting a war is justified. And it is true, no man of God would endorse starting a war. "Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children of God.. Bless are the meek for they will inherit the earth".

I believe Putin (and Rs these days) don't believe in being meek.

But you see, you're perfectly willing to write off any casualties in Donbas before the invasion - while you weep for the casualties after.

But you see, Russia shouldn’t have started sh— there either.

If you agree with Ukraine shelling Donbas that wanted to separate, you must agree with Russia shelling Grozny too.

Nope. Just like I won’t support Texas seceding.

Then Putin was perfectly within his right to shell Chechnya.

The only consistency you'll find here is that its ok when our guys do it and bad when the other guy does it. Everything else is window dressing.

That's exactly what I said in my original comment.

Ukraine shelling Donbas separatists = they are defending their country's integrity and fighting Russia.

Russia shelling Chechen separatists = human rights criminals, oppressors of freedom.

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Anonymous wrote:Zelensky is now going after the Orthodox Ukrainian church, trying to shut them down, banned political opposition until the state of emergency is over, and ordered all news channels under government control. This is not a benevolent leader

Poor Orthodox Ukrainian church. They were ready to welcome the "winning" side.

"For centuries the ancient Ukrainian branch of the church has been subordinate to the Russian Orthodox Church, based in Moscow. The leader of the Russian church, Patriarch Kirill, has strong ties to President Vladimir V. Putin, whose long tenure he has called “a miracle of God,” and has endorsed the invasion."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-orthodox-church.html

Any "man of god" who endorses a violent, brutal invasion of an innocent neighboring nation and justifies wanton killing of civilians is a COMPLETE FRAUD.

That innocent neighboring nation killed 10,000+ ethnic Russian civilians prior to the invasion. They shelled towns and let loose fascist paramilitary forces to slaughter civilians.

Very few countries are innocent. It doesn't mean that Russia starting a war is justified. And it is true, no man of God would endorse starting a war. "Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children of God.. Bless are the meek for they will inherit the earth".

I believe Putin (and Rs these days) don't believe in being meek.

But you see, you're perfectly willing to write off any casualties in Donbas before the invasion - while you weep for the casualties after.

PP here.. I have never stated anything of that nature. I was responding to the ^^PP statement about how the Orthodoxy church in Ukraine supports Russia's invasion of Ukraine. No man of God would support such a war.

Zelensky, no matter how flawed, is the "man of the year" for standing up to Putin and Russia. I know that MAGA and Trump would've bowed down to Putin's invasion. Zelensky is tougher than Trump, who time and time again blamed generals for his own failings, but took credit as CiC if something went well. So glad Trump is out of the WH. The world, and Ukraine especially, is better for it.

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Anonymous wrote:Zelensky is now going after the Orthodox Ukrainian church, trying to shut them down, banned political opposition until the state of emergency is over, and ordered all news channels under government control. This is not a benevolent leader

Poor Orthodox Ukrainian church. They were ready to welcome the "winning" side.

"For centuries the ancient Ukrainian branch of the church has been subordinate to the Russian Orthodox Church, based in Moscow. The leader of the Russian church, Patriarch Kirill, has strong ties to President Vladimir V. Putin, whose long tenure he has called “a miracle of God,” and has endorsed the invasion."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-orthodox-church.html

Any "man of god" who endorses a violent, brutal invasion of an innocent neighboring nation and justifies wanton killing of civilians is a COMPLETE FRAUD.

That innocent neighboring nation killed 10,000+ ethnic Russian civilians prior to the invasion. They shelled towns and let loose fascist paramilitary forces to slaughter civilians.

Very few countries are innocent. It doesn't mean that Russia starting a war is justified. And it is true, no man of God would endorse starting a war. "Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children of God.. Bless are the meek for they will inherit the earth".

I believe Putin (and Rs these days) don't believe in being meek.

But you see, you're perfectly willing to write off any casualties in Donbas before the invasion - while you weep for the casualties after.

PP here.. I have never stated anything of that nature. I was responding to the ^^PP statement about how the Orthodoxy church in Ukraine supports Russia's invasion of Ukraine. No man of God would support such a war.

Zelensky, no matter how flawed, is the "man of the year" for standing up to Putin and Russia. I know that MAGA and Trump would've bowed down to Putin's invasion. Zelensky is tougher than Trump, who time and time again blamed generals for his own failings, but took credit as CiC if something went well. So glad Trump is out of the WH. The world, and Ukraine especially, is better for it.

There are different branches of Russian Orthodox church, and one is controlled entirely by Putin. I wouldn't put much stock in what they say.

In general, I wouldn't hold "men of god" in any type of special regard, considering the body count organized religions around the world have managed to collect.

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Anonymous wrote:Zelensky is now going after the Orthodox Ukrainian church, trying to shut them down, banned political opposition until the state of emergency is over, and ordered all news channels under government control. This is not a benevolent leader

Poor Orthodox Ukrainian church. They were ready to welcome the "winning" side.

"For centuries the ancient Ukrainian branch of the church has been subordinate to the Russian Orthodox Church, based in Moscow. The leader of the Russian church, Patriarch Kirill, has strong ties to President Vladimir V. Putin, whose long tenure he has called “a miracle of God,” and has endorsed the invasion."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/world/europe/zelensky-ukraine-orthodox-church.html

Any "man of god" who endorses a violent, brutal invasion of an innocent neighboring nation and justifies wanton killing of civilians is a COMPLETE FRAUD.

That innocent neighboring nation killed 10,000+ ethnic Russian civilians prior to the invasion. They shelled towns and let loose fascist paramilitary forces to slaughter civilians.

Very few countries are innocent. It doesn't mean that Russia starting a war is justified. And it is true, no man of God would endorse starting a war. "Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called children of God.. Bless are the meek for they will inherit the earth".

I believe Putin (and Rs these days) don't believe in being meek.

But you see, you're perfectly willing to write off any casualties in Donbas before the invasion - while you weep for the casualties after.

PP here.. I have never stated anything of that nature. I was responding to the ^^PP statement about how the Orthodoxy church in Ukraine supports Russia's invasion of Ukraine. No man of God would support such a war.

Zelensky, no matter how flawed, is the "man of the year" for standing up to Putin and Russia. I know that MAGA and Trump would've bowed down to Putin's invasion. Zelensky is tougher than Trump, who time and time again blamed generals for his own failings, but took credit as CiC if something went well. So glad Trump is out of the WH. The world, and Ukraine especially, is better for it.

Somehow Putin didn't recognize this. He chose not to invade when Trump was President, but chose to invade when Obama was President and when Biden was President.