Youngkin reduces teacher qualifications

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about the directive that schools should develop personalized plans for every student who is not on grade level? On the surface, this seems like a good idea - even if it adds a paperwork and administrative burden. But it seems to be a little more than a regular report card, requiring that there are quarterly goals that each student who is falling behind must work toward. Tell me what is wrong with this proposal? I don’t agree with a lot of what Youngkin has done but not every idea from his admin can be automatically bad.

I hadn't heard of this proposal, but what you are describing sounds like an IEP.

It sounds like an IEP but probably would not have the full force and effect of an IEP - probably does not come with the rights, protections and process that is associated with the development of IEPs. But, if parents are provided with specific information about what areas of math, language arts, etc. a student is struggling with and specific goals and objectives to aim for, it might ensure a school is putting in place interventions and it might also spur a parent to put into place a tutor or carve out time to self-tutor. Of course a lot of parents do not have the time or resources but some do and if that leads to a few more students getting to grade level, then that is a win-win (schools can focus on helping students who don't have families with the time or resources) and families with the time or resources had the opportunity to address a learning gap early.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that it’s not just about content knowledge (although most of these “teaching is so easy!” people aren’t as knowledgeable as they think they are, they’re just arrogant), but about being able to impart that content onto an audience of mixed ability to comprehend said material, nevermind the mixed willingness to be there in the first place. They think just because the Associate Southeast Regional Supervisor for Inside Sales praised them for a presentation they did 6 years ago that they can handle a classroom, when in reality they’d be in tears the first time they missed their lunch break because a fire drill ran long, they had to hold their pee for 7 hours, or the kids started roasting their shoes.

Yes that is the problem and brand new teachers who have all the education and credentials don’t know how to do that either. They don’t do a good job of teaching it during college so they have to learn in the job from experienced teachers (and it’s freaking hard so a lot of them never do it well).

And don’t tell me a new teacher has never cried because they were overwhelmed. That is a normal thing to do.

They aren’t the ones claiming they can do everything better than trained educators because they cubicle-jockeyed for Capital One for 3 years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All states with Republican governors are doing this because they know it will fail. When peoples kids receive subpar “education” from random adults with zero content expertise or knowledge of pedagogy or child development, they’ll want to leave public school. Imagine Nancy Kerrigan having her own bodyguard bust her knee with a pipe. It’s that.

-actual licensed teacher with a masters degree in what I do

MD R Governor didn't pull this sh1t. Neither did Mitt Romney when he was MA governor.

Why? Because neither of those two governors are uber right wing Trumpsters.

This is what VA voted for because so many hated the covid restrictions.

And “CRT”.

VA sucks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that it’s not just about content knowledge (although most of these “teaching is so easy!” people aren’t as knowledgeable as they think they are, they’re just arrogant), but about being able to impart that content onto an audience of mixed ability to comprehend said material, nevermind the mixed willingness to be there in the first place. They think just because the Associate Southeast Regional Supervisor for Inside Sales praised them for a presentation they did 6 years ago that they can handle a classroom, when in reality they’d be in tears the first time they missed their lunch break because a fire drill ran long, they had to hold their pee for 7 hours, or the kids started roasting their shoes.

Yes that is the problem and brand new teachers who have all the education and credentials don’t know how to do that either. They don’t do a good job of teaching it during college so they have to learn in the job from experienced teachers (and it’s freaking hard so a lot of them never do it well).

And don’t tell me a new teacher has never cried because they were overwhelmed. That is a normal thing to do.

They aren’t the ones claiming they can do everything better than trained educators because they cubicle-jockeyed for Capital One for 3 years.

The strongest result in education research is that phonics is better than whole word for teaching reading. The second strongest result is that obtaining a M.Ed. has no impact on teacher effectiveness. A few studies show slightly positive results, a few slightly negative, but the mean sits close to zero.

Experience matters a lot. The average former cubicle jockey at Capital One will suck for the first year, but so will the average brand new teacher who came via a traditional certification path. Ten years in, they will both be pretty good. And indistinguishable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about the directive that schools should develop personalized plans for every student who is not on grade level? On the surface, this seems like a good idea - even if it adds a paperwork and administrative burden. But it seems to be a little more than a regular report card, requiring that there are quarterly goals that each student who is falling behind must work toward. Tell me what is wrong with this proposal? I don’t agree with a lot of what Youngkin has done but not every idea from his admin can be automatically bad.

I hadn't heard of this proposal, but what you are describing sounds like an IEP.

It sounds like an IEP but probably would not have the full force and effect of an IEP - probably does not come with the rights, protections and process that is associated with the development of IEPs. But, if parents are provided with specific information about what areas of math, language arts, etc. a student is struggling with and specific goals and objectives to aim for, it might ensure a school is putting in place interventions and it might also spur a parent to put into place a tutor or carve out time to self-tutor. Of course a lot of parents do not have the time or resources but some do and if that leads to a few more students getting to grade level, then that is a win-win (schools can focus on helping students who don't have families with the time or resources) and families with the time or resources had the opportunity to address a learning gap early.

I mean, we basically already do this. Just send home the results of the math inventory or iready assessments. It shows scores by subcategory (for math at least, what I teach) and where a child is below grade level it pinpoints what grade level they are performing at. They take the test 3-4 times per year (imo wasting a full day of instruction multiple times, but if data is what you want, it provides it).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still think a far better solution is hiring teachers from other countries, helping them with housing and any professional development to help with cultural adjustment issues.

So basically you want indentured servitude. Thanks for at least being honest, even if you are a monster.

What an ignorant reply. How is that indentured servitude?? People would come here on their own accord/choice, with a contract to earn a paycheck.

I’m not the previous poster, but what it sounds like to me is that you would rather find people in other countries that would be willing to accept what we are currently paying teachers now, instead of raising teacher pay.

Replace teachers with IT, and it's how we got housing prices so high here, that teachers can't afford to live here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that it’s not just about content knowledge (although most of these “teaching is so easy!” people aren’t as knowledgeable as they think they are, they’re just arrogant), but about being able to impart that content onto an audience of mixed ability to comprehend said material, nevermind the mixed willingness to be there in the first place. They think just because the Associate Southeast Regional Supervisor for Inside Sales praised them for a presentation they did 6 years ago that they can handle a classroom, when in reality they’d be in tears the first time they missed their lunch break because a fire drill ran long, they had to hold their pee for 7 hours, or the kids started roasting their shoes.

Yes that is the problem and brand new teachers who have all the education and credentials don’t know how to do that either. They don’t do a good job of teaching it during college so they have to learn in the job from experienced teachers (and it’s freaking hard so a lot of them never do it well).

And don’t tell me a new teacher has never cried because they were overwhelmed. That is a normal thing to do.

They aren’t the ones claiming they can do everything better than trained educators because they cubicle-jockeyed for Capital One for 3 years.

The strongest result in education research is that phonics is better than whole word for teaching reading. The second strongest result is that obtaining a M.Ed. has no impact on teacher effectiveness. A few studies show slightly positive results, a few slightly negative, but the mean sits close to zero.

Experience matters a lot. The average former cubicle jockey at Capital One will suck for the first year, but so will the average brand new teacher who came via a traditional certification path. Ten years in, they will both be pretty good. And indistinguishable.

What should school systems do to ensure teachers, ANY teacher, could possibly make it to year ten and beyond?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still think a far better solution is hiring teachers from other countries, helping them with housing and any professional development to help with cultural adjustment issues.

So basically you want indentured servitude. Thanks for at least being honest, even if you are a monster.

What an ignorant reply. How is that indentured servitude?? People would come here on their own accord/choice, with a contract to earn a paycheck.

I’m not the previous poster, but what it sounds like to me is that you would rather find people in other countries that would be willing to accept what we are currently paying teachers now, instead of raising teacher pay.

Replace teachers with IT, and it's how we got housing prices so high here, that teachers can't afford to live here.

I work 12 months out of the year and make less than the teachers I know in this area. I think a teacher making 6 figures is doing pretty darn good and we need to stop with the "...teachers can't afford to live here..."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still think a far better solution is hiring teachers from other countries, helping them with housing and any professional development to help with cultural adjustment issues.

So basically you want indentured servitude. Thanks for at least being honest, even if you are a monster.

What an ignorant reply. How is that indentured servitude?? People would come here on their own accord/choice, with a contract to earn a paycheck.

I’m not the previous poster, but what it sounds like to me is that you would rather find people in other countries that would be willing to accept what we are currently paying teachers now, instead of raising teacher pay.

Replace teachers with IT, and it's how we got housing prices so high here, that teachers can't afford to live here.

I work 12 months out of the year and make less than the teachers I know in this area. I think a teacher making 6 figures is doing pretty darn good and we need to stop with the "...teachers can't afford to live here..."

Is VA still ranked #49 and DC still ranked #51 when it comes to teacher salaries?

Only “six states pay teachers below the state’s average salary.” - this includes VA and DC.

https://www.business.org/hr/workforce-management/best-us-states-for-teachers/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still think a far better solution is hiring teachers from other countries, helping them with housing and any professional development to help with cultural adjustment issues.

So basically you want indentured servitude. Thanks for at least being honest, even if you are a monster.

What an ignorant reply. How is that indentured servitude?? People would come here on their own accord/choice, with a contract to earn a paycheck.

I’m not the previous poster, but what it sounds like to me is that you would rather find people in other countries that would be willing to accept what we are currently paying teachers now, instead of raising teacher pay.

Replace teachers with IT, and it's how we got housing prices so high here, that teachers can't afford to live here.

I work 12 months out of the year and make less than the teachers I know in this area. I think a teacher making 6 figures is doing pretty darn good and we need to stop with the "...teachers can't afford to live here..."

This is hard to believe when the elementary teachers I know are all making 6 figures.

Is VA still ranked #49 and DC still ranked #51 when it comes to teacher salaries?

Only “six states pay teachers below the state’s average salary.” - this includes VA and DC.

https://www.business.org/hr/workforce-management/best-us-states-for-teachers/

[Anonymous]

Why are teacher salaries always such a thing. Uhhhh! Interesting to see the VA state numbers and then hear how much some teachers are making here.

[Anonymous]

Can't compare all of VA teacher salaries to Arlington specifically. Some schools pay more so it may not be above average state wise but it is for APS. I'm an APS teacher and moved from private to APS for this reason. I get paid almost double in APS and I don't make six figures but I'm close. Never made that much or even close with private school or another public district in VA.

[Anonymous]

Of course. They will never teach you how to overthrow them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still think a far better solution is hiring teachers from other countries, helping them with housing and any professional development to help with cultural adjustment issues.

So basically you want indentured servitude. Thanks for at least being honest, even if you are a monster.

What an ignorant reply. How is that indentured servitude?? People would come here on their own accord/choice, with a contract to earn a paycheck.

I’m not the previous poster, but what it sounds like to me is that you would rather find people in other countries that would be willing to accept what we are currently paying teachers now, instead of raising teacher pay.

Replace teachers with IT, and it's how we got housing prices so high here, that teachers can't afford to live here.

I work 12 months out of the year and make less than the teachers I know in this area. I think a teacher making 6 figures is doing pretty darn good and we need to stop with the "...teachers can't afford to live here..."

Is VA still ranked #49 and DC still ranked #51 when it comes to teacher salaries?

Only “six states pay teachers below the state’s average salary.” - this includes VA and DC.

https://www.business.org/hr/workforce-management/best-us-states-for-teachers/

This is hard to believe when the elementary teachers I know are all making 6 figures.

Your anecdote doesn’t mean much. The data speaks for itself.

No one goes into teaching for the money. Quite the opposite. They go into teaching despite the low salary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can't compare all of VA teacher salaries to Arlington specifically. Some schools pay more so it may not be above average state wise but it is for APS. I'm an APS teacher and moved from private to APS for this reason. I get paid almost double in APS and I don't make six figures but I'm close. Never made that much or even close with private school or another public district in VA.

The high COL in Arlington makes the discrepancy even worse here.