Inappropriate response from teachers at Elementary School Summer Program

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Anonymous wrote:Think about how it’s going to sound when you make the complaint…. I mean it’s not the best thing in the world, but you seem like you’re looking for someone or something to blame.

I am having this reaction as well. Maybe you didn’t give a good description of the event but really I don’t get it. Im a parent of a kid who made serious suicidal threats multiple times at school and had two almost successful suicide attempts. It is harder than most can imagine. But the world goes on outside the bubble of your crisis. I just don’t see your complaint getting any traction and you’re going to feel a lot worse when no one responds. What was going on with the teachers is not about you or your son.

So you have found it acceptable if teachers snickered at your kid during a melt down involving threats of suicide? Weird.

Of course not but that is not what OP described.

It's exactly what was described.

No it is not. Just because something happened In the vicinity of OLs child does not make it about OPs child. It sounds like the teachers were really trying to work with a child who was in an inappropriate placement which was causing harm. I am not willing to presume inappropriate motives to their actions

At the very minimum they were joking around and laughing between each other while a parent was talking down a child in crisis, a child who was under their care. Were these high school girls getting SSL hours over the summer or actual teachers??? They are unprofessional at the very least. Expect better from the adults around you.

[Anonymous]

That is difficult. Would say most students probably don’t get enough attention due to class size, not to mention those with IEPs. The most important thing is to protect your child, so it’s good you pulled him out of that situation. I would definitely explore all options to make sure he has teachers who know how to work with your child, whether or not it’s through MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:Your kid needs more support than summer school can offer if he's repeatedly threatening to kill himself. This is not typical behavior.

We are seeing his psychiatrist and therapist. This is not the point of this post. We are getting him treatment.

I actually think it is the heart of the issue. You're clearly struggling and so is your child and so are his teachers. Because you're not able to face or resolve your child's serious concerns, you're overreacting to the other adults in his life. I get it. I don't blame you. But this is not where you need to focus your energy and attention right now. He's inappropriately placed and needs a different kind of support or help than summer school can provide.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your kid needs more support than summer school can offer if he's repeatedly threatening to kill himself. This is not typical behavior.

We are seeing his psychiatrist and therapist. This is not the point of this post. We are getting him treatment.

I actually think it is the heart of the issue. You're clearly struggling and so is your child and so are his teachers. Because you're not able to face or resolve your child's serious concerns, you're overreacting to the other adults in his life. I get it. I don't blame you. But this is not where you need to focus your energy and attention right now. He's inappropriately placed and needs a different kind of support or help than summer school can provide.

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[Anonymous]

How did you even get into the school? was this outside? If there was an issue, they would have taken him out of the class or the class out of the classroom. Your post seems strange.

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Anonymous wrote:Think about how it’s going to sound when you make the complaint…. I mean it’s not the best thing in the world, but you seem like you’re looking for someone or something to blame.

I am having this reaction as well. Maybe you didn’t give a good description of the event but really I don’t get it. Im a parent of a kid who made serious suicidal threats multiple times at school and had two almost successful suicide attempts. It is harder than most can imagine. But the world goes on outside the bubble of your crisis. I just don’t see your complaint getting any traction and you’re going to feel a lot worse when no one responds. What was going on with the teachers is not about you or your son.

So you have found it acceptable if teachers snickered at your kid during a melt down involving threats of suicide? Weird.

Of course not but that is not what OP described.

It's exactly what was described.

No it is not. Just because something happened In the vicinity of OLs child does not make it about OPs child. It sounds like the teachers were really trying to work with a child who was in an inappropriate placement which was causing harm. I am not willing to presume inappropriate motives to their actions

It does. It does in a child centered school system. MCPS is not child centered. This child was in crisis and everything in the vicinity of that child impacted the child. Obviously, the child was smart enough to pick up on that. Self centered adults in an adult centered world didn't focus on the child and behaved inappropriately.

By your analogy a murder in front of a child, but not murdering the child should not impact the child.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

So. Wait. Am I understanding this right? The child was in serious crisis in his classroom and dad came to help and the teachers, also in the classroom and aware of what was going on were giggling and making jokes amongst themselves? If this is what happened this sounds like wildly inappropriate and immature behavior from those teachers. If they were joking about the child that is cruel but even if they weren’t it’s a bizarre time to start cracking jokes with each other.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here...I am really surprised about those who find it appropriate for two teachers to be laughing at a child with diagnosed special needs during an anxiety attack. DS is behind in both expressive and receptive language so using words to describe kicking the hornets nest is not okay.

DS is normally very happy and social, but something is triggering his anxiety in that school. This is not his normal school but where MCPS decided this W school cluster's ES summer school program will be held. If MCPS is spending so much money trying to be inclusive, then I would expect more than the behaviors these two teachers exhibited. The teachers could have left the room to talk but they chose to stay (in an empty classroom) and watch DH comfort DS. Our family has a lot more resources than others and we would hate to see this type of behavior happening to other kids with SN without the family resources to recognize and prevent teachers from traumatizing SN kids.

Then put him in a private school and stop humble bragging. Your kid, your problem and stop expecting lowly paid summer school teachers to respond like counselors to the problem kid breaking down repeatedly. The way forward starts by admitting your kid is that kid and nobody else really cares. In fact most people less than care, they resent him for injecting crazy into their environments. Micro aggressions are they least of your kid’s problems, they have a life time of slights small and large ahead of them and society will consistently try and push them to the side so they can ignore them. But go ahead and complain to the superintendent about some giggles, that will teach him how to cope.

You must be the reject teacher that needs hand holding to not go home and cry at the slightest issue in your classroom. Do you need 10 drinks to get through a day of school?

Nice try but point to the untrue part of what I said. How many play dates have you hosted for “that kid” in your child’s grade at your school? Those teachers could walk on water but the type of kid who wants to do self harm because of the stress of W summer school might be a little beyond hope for a normal outcome. The parents are just rationalizing and looking for scapegoats. If only they had better xyz they wouldn’t be nuts, but I somehow doubt they are as critical when looking inward. All kids require empathy and effort but at some point they are simply the problem and expecting a perfect environment for imperfect behavior is a fool’s quest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here...I am really surprised about those who find it appropriate for two teachers to be laughing at a child with diagnosed special needs during an anxiety attack. DS is behind in both expressive and receptive language so using words to describe kicking the hornets nest is not okay.

DS is normally very happy and social, but something is triggering his anxiety in that school. This is not his normal school but where MCPS decided this W school cluster's ES summer school program will be held. If MCPS is spending so much money trying to be inclusive, then I would expect more than the behaviors these two teachers exhibited. The teachers could have left the room to talk but they chose to stay (in an empty classroom) and watch DH comfort DS. Our family has a lot more resources than others and we would hate to see this type of behavior happening to other kids with SN without the family resources to recognize and prevent teachers from traumatizing SN kids.

Then put him in a private school and stop humble bragging. Your kid, your problem and stop expecting lowly paid summer school teachers to respond like counselors to the problem kid breaking down repeatedly. The way forward starts by admitting your kid is that kid and nobody else really cares. In fact most people less than care, they resent him for injecting crazy into their environments. Micro aggressions are they least of your kid’s problems, they have a life time of slights small and large ahead of them and society will consistently try and push them to the side so they can ignore them. But go ahead and complain to the superintendent about some giggles, that will teach him how to cope.

You must be the reject teacher that needs hand holding to not go home and cry at the slightest issue in your classroom. Do you need 10 drinks to get through a day of school?

Nice try but point to the untrue part of what I said. How many play dates have you hosted for “that kid” in your child’s grade at your school? Those teachers could walk on water but the type of kid who wants to do self harm because of the stress of W summer school might be a little beyond hope for a normal outcome. The parents are just rationalizing and looking for scapegoats. If only they had better xyz they wouldn’t be nuts, but I somehow doubt they are as critical when looking inward. All kids require empathy and effort but at some point they are simply the problem and expecting a perfect environment for imperfect behavior is a fool’s quest.

I don't have a special needs child and I think what OP described is appalling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here...I am really surprised about those who find it appropriate for two teachers to be laughing at a child with diagnosed special needs during an anxiety attack. DS is behind in both expressive and receptive language so using words to describe kicking the hornets nest is not okay.

DS is normally very happy and social, but something is triggering his anxiety in that school. This is not his normal school but where MCPS decided this W school cluster's ES summer school program will be held. If MCPS is spending so much money trying to be inclusive, then I would expect more than the behaviors these two teachers exhibited. The teachers could have left the room to talk but they chose to stay (in an empty classroom) and watch DH comfort DS. Our family has a lot more resources than others and we would hate to see this type of behavior happening to other kids with SN without the family resources to recognize and prevent teachers from traumatizing SN kids.

Then put him in a private school and stop humble bragging. Your kid, your problem and stop expecting lowly paid summer school teachers to respond like counselors to the problem kid breaking down repeatedly. The way forward starts by admitting your kid is that kid and nobody else really cares. In fact most people less than care, they resent him for injecting crazy into their environments. Micro aggressions are they least of your kid’s problems, they have a life time of slights small and large ahead of them and society will consistently try and push them to the side so they can ignore them. But go ahead and complain to the superintendent about some giggles, that will teach him how to cope.

You must be the reject teacher that needs hand holding to not go home and cry at the slightest issue in your classroom. Do you need 10 drinks to get through a day of school?

Nice try but point to the untrue part of what I said. How many play dates have you hosted for “that kid” in your child’s grade at your school? Those teachers could walk on water but the type of kid who wants to do self harm because of the stress of W summer school might be a little beyond hope for a normal outcome. The parents are just rationalizing and looking for scapegoats. If only they had better xyz they wouldn’t be nuts, but I somehow doubt they are as critical when looking inward. All kids require empathy and effort but at some point they are simply the problem and expecting a perfect environment for imperfect behavior is a fool’s quest.

I don't have a special needs child and I think what OP described is appalling.

Agreed. How tone deaf are these teachers? Are they teenagers? “Oh look that kid wants to kill himself, but, anyway I think now is a great time to give you a rundown of my hilarious tinder date last night. So let’s do that right now. Standing in front of the dad and child going through a crisis”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So. Wait. Am I understanding this right? The child was in serious crisis in his classroom and dad came to help and the teachers, also in the classroom and aware of what was going on were giggling and making jokes amongst themselves? If this is what happened this sounds like wildly inappropriate and immature behavior from those teachers. If they were joking about the child that is cruel but even if they weren’t it’s a bizarre time to start cracking jokes with each other.

What if it was the 7th time that day the kid flipped out. Why do you assume to biased mom is giving the full story or not coloring her comments to make the outrage self fulfilling. Even assuming the whole story is true to the letter what if they really were just having a unrelated conversation while the dad talked the misfit off the ledge for the X time. Even as the A-hole of this conversation, I doubt somehow doubt the worst 20 something new teacher would openly mock a kid in front of their parents esp at a rich school. Most likely explanation is the kid is pissed he is at school in the summer and is lashing out and no one is prepared to handle it while the parents keep looking to blame someone/anyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So. Wait. Am I understanding this right? The child was in serious crisis in his classroom and dad came to help and the teachers, also in the classroom and aware of what was going on were giggling and making jokes amongst themselves? If this is what happened this sounds like wildly inappropriate and immature behavior from those teachers. If they were joking about the child that is cruel but even if they weren’t it’s a bizarre time to start cracking jokes with each other.

What if it was the 7th time that day the kid flipped out. Why do you assume to biased mom is giving the full story or not coloring her comments to make the outrage self fulfilling. Even assuming the whole story is true to the letter what if they really were just having a unrelated conversation while the dad talked the misfit off the ledge for the X time. Even as the A-hole of this conversation, I doubt somehow doubt the worst 20 something new teacher would openly mock a kid in front of their parents esp at a rich school. Most likely explanation is the kid is pissed he is at school in the summer and is lashing out and no one is prepared to handle it while the parents keep looking to blame someone/anyone.

Pp I don’t think talking amongst themselves is an issue, giggling and laughing during this is inappropriate. Even if something like this has happened before.

[Anonymous]

An SN child with insufficient supports in a mainstream classroom is a recipe for disaster. I thought SN parents knew to make sure proper accommodations are made.

[Anonymous]

Why do people have either impossibly high standards for teachers or, in some effort to be “pro teachers”, have lowered the bar to the floor? I would not want these teachers anywhere near my kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here...I am really surprised about those who find it appropriate for two teachers to be laughing at a child with diagnosed special needs during an anxiety attack. DS is behind in both expressive and receptive language so using words to describe kicking the hornets nest is not okay.

DS is normally very happy and social, but something is triggering his anxiety in that school. This is not his normal school but where MCPS decided this W school cluster's ES summer school program will be held. If MCPS is spending so much money trying to be inclusive, then I would expect more than the behaviors these two teachers exhibited. The teachers could have left the room to talk but they chose to stay (in an empty classroom) and watch DH comfort DS. Our family has a lot more resources than others and we would hate to see this type of behavior happening to other kids with SN without the family resources to recognize and prevent teachers from traumatizing SN kids.

Then put him in a private school and stop humble bragging. Your kid, your problem and stop expecting lowly paid summer school teachers to respond like counselors to the problem kid breaking down repeatedly. The way forward starts by admitting your kid is that kid and nobody else really cares. In fact most people less than care, they resent him for injecting crazy into their environments. Micro aggressions are they least of your kid’s problems, they have a life time of slights small and large ahead of them and society will consistently try and push them to the side so they can ignore them. But go ahead and complain to the superintendent about some giggles, that will teach him how to cope.

You must be the reject teacher that needs hand holding to not go home and cry at the slightest issue in your classroom. Do you need 10 drinks to get through a day of school?

Nice try but point to the untrue part of what I said. How many play dates have you hosted for “that kid” in your child’s grade at your school? Those teachers could walk on water but the type of kid who wants to do self harm because of the stress of W summer school might be a little beyond hope for a normal outcome. The parents are just rationalizing and looking for scapegoats. If only they had better xyz they wouldn’t be nuts, but I somehow doubt they are as critical when looking inward. All kids require empathy and effort but at some point they are simply the problem and expecting a perfect environment for imperfect behavior is a fool’s quest.

I don't have a special needs child and I think what OP described is appalling.

Agreed. How tone deaf are these teachers? Are they teenagers? “Oh look that kid wants to kill himself, but, anyway I think now is a great time to give you a rundown of my hilarious tinder date last night. So let’s do that right now. Standing in front of the dad and child going through a crisis”

They are idiots. Say something OP.