DC White flight - what will it mean for education?

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DCPS is a district focused primarily on the growth and success of low-income children of color. From leadership down that is the priority, and it should be.

Explain to me why a school system should focus primarily upon on one socio-economic and ethnic group. Other jurisdictions like Arlington, Alexandria, MCPS, and Fairfax somehow seem to manage to care about ALL learners.

Because inequality is horrible for society overall, yes even for you.

I'm a European immigrant (but not Anglo) who is disgusted with continuing segregation and imprisonment of a significant portion of the US population. I want my kids to benefit from fair competition where the brightest minds can apply their talents and efforts to better society, not a system that suppresses such talent based on random and inconsequential (to quality) attribute, such as skin color, gender, accent, religion, sexual orientation, to name a few.


Do people really not get it or just pretend not to get it? SMH

Most whites believe that those other groups don’t contain the best or brightest. See how DCUM uses “white” as a proxy for UMC. If you’re really European but not Anglo, then you must be aware of this racism yourself, because it’s rampant in Europe also. Or are you just pretending it doesn’t exist?

Usually I am on DCUM castigating the casual racism of posters. In this case I am going to argue your virtual signaling blindness is getting in the way of facts. People use "white" as a placeholder for UMC and "black" as a placeholder for FARMs because the DC data supports those as reasonable proxies. I don't think anyone who uses those words that way fails to understand their are FARMs white families and UMC black ones. But in DC there are on the whole very few white FARMs families and the poverty rate amongst black families in DC is very high especially against all other demos.

There's an ongoing battle on Nextdoor about people who send out lookouts for people who committed crimes and describe hat, hair color, shirt, pants, shoes, car and don't mention the race of the person. When people point out the absurdity of failing to describe the only factor that cannot be changed, the woke police argue it is not ok to describe race. (Never mind that by assuming the perpetrator is black they are showing their own bias). I am betting, PP, that you are on the side of people who think it is wrong to cite the race in a post purporting to be a "look out for" post?

TL: DR It isn't racist to say "black" or "white" if the population about which you speak is mostly black or white.

Not trying to be a dickhead but please capitalize the B in Black but not the "w" in white.

I am not PP but may I ask why? Is this some sort of white guilt or self castigation or what? I keep seeing B vs w and wonder

Well Black also refers to a specific ethnic group, being white isn't an ethnic identity.

Most people use it to refer to skin color. It is an adjective. In English we don't capitalize adjectives. It is no wonder my side keeps getting outflanked by the conservatives; our side is filled with people like PP.

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Anonymous wrote:See, for example, Hobson v Hansen, where the court held that tracking was one of several tools used to enforce de facto segregation of DCPS schools.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson_v._Hansen

That case was 45 years ago, decided on the heels of the Voting Rights Act, when schools were still de facto segregated. The fact that you know the wiki citation does not mean you have read it or understand how it is or is not relevant to the current educational environment. Take a minute and read the actual case, please.

Oh, and before some 28 year old wanna be SJW chimes in to say "Thinks are no better or different today than they were in 1967", please go find a black person who lived in American in the 50s and 60s and ask them about what they experienced before you embarrass yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:See, for example, Hobson v Hansen, where the court held that tracking was one of several tools used to enforce de facto segregation of DCPS schools.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson_v._Hansen

That case was 45 years ago, decided on the heels of the Voting Rights Act, when schools were still de facto segregated. The fact that you know the wiki citation does not mean you have read it or understand how it is or is not relevant to the current educational environment. Take a minute and read the actual case, please.

Oh, and before some 28 year old wanna be SJW chimes in to say "Thinks are no better or different today than they were in 1967", please go find a black person who lived in American in the 50s and 60s and ask them about what they experienced before you embarrass yourself.

I’m the PP you are responding to. I attended segregated schools as a child.

I’m not sure what you imagine Hobson v. Hansen has anything to do with the Voting Rights act, given that the case is about whether the mechanisms adopted by an unelected school board to “cynically” (according to the opinion) re-segregate the schools in the wake of Bolling v. Sharpe were illegal.

However, the point that I was making was that the DCUM parents who take to this board every day to demand “equal treatment” - by which they mean the power to reshape DCPS policy to suit the needs of 17% of DCPS students through a variety of mechanisms including eliminating OOB seats, eliminating feeder patterns that allow Black kids to attend NW schools, and re-introducing tracking — are likely unaware of Hobson. Of course, the specific mechanism would be different than Hansen’s “four track curriculum”, and would thus likely be legal, but my point was that lots of people who ARE aware of the history are skeptical of these parents’ motives. Particularly when, like me, they attended schools that were still officially segregated years after Brown v. Board and which — when they were forced to integrate —- immediately adopted gifted programs and/or tracking in which all the white kids magically turned out to be gifted and all the Black kids weren’t.

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Oh, and Hobson v. Hansen was decided 55 years ago, not 45. I remember 1967, but I’m guessing you don’t.

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NP. As a Black middle class parent, I cringe when I read DCUM posts about race and schools. I have never had any conversations with my white friends about these matters but I imagine they happen, just not when I’m around. It then makes it awkward when I’m in a group and wonder what they are really thinking. Can anyone else relate?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a Black middle class parent, I cringe when I read DCUM posts about race and schools. I have never had any conversations with my white friends about these matters but I imagine they happen, just not when I’m around. It then makes it awkward when I’m in a group and wonder what they are really thinking. Can anyone else relate?

*correction: just when I’m not around

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a Black middle class parent, I cringe when I read DCUM posts about race and schools. I have never had any conversations with my white friends about these matters but I imagine they happen, just not when I’m around. It then makes it awkward when I’m in a group and wonder what they are really thinking. Can anyone else relate?

Yes! I USUALLY resist engaging. I am hyperaware that many of these posters are fellow parents who smile in our faces and talk trash about Black people on anonymous forums.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a Black middle class parent, I cringe when I read DCUM posts about race and schools. I have never had any conversations with my white friends about these matters but I imagine they happen, just not when I’m around. It then makes it awkward when I’m in a group and wonder what they are really thinking. Can anyone else relate?

These conversations only happen on DCUM. For real.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a Black middle class parent, I cringe when I read DCUM posts about race and schools. I have never had any conversations with my white friends about these matters but I imagine they happen, just not when I’m around. It then makes it awkward when I’m in a group and wonder what they are really thinking. Can anyone else relate?

Yes! I USUALLY resist engaging. I am hyperaware that many of these posters are fellow parents who smile in our faces and talk trash about Black people on anonymous forums.

Curious. Do you live in NW? If not, are you cool with the middle school status quo in the rest of the city? Do you think it’s racist to offer advanced classes in middle school? I genuinely care about your perspective.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a Black middle class parent, I cringe when I read DCUM posts about race and schools. I have never had any conversations with my white friends about these matters but I imagine they happen, just not when I’m around. It then makes it awkward when I’m in a group and wonder what they are really thinking. Can anyone else relate?

Yes! I USUALLY resist engaging. I am hyperaware that many of these posters are fellow parents who smile in our faces and talk trash about Black people on anonymous forums.

And vice versa, of course. It’s called the civilized veneer vs. the anonymous forum. I am perfectly aware I am being called a Karen behind my back or at least in people’s heads. Now you will say I probably am a Karen even though you don’t know me. And others would say you are (insert stereotype about Black women here) even though they don’t know you.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a Black middle class parent, I cringe when I read DCUM posts about race and schools. I have never had any conversations with my white friends about these matters but I imagine they happen, just not when I’m around. It then makes it awkward when I’m in a group and wonder what they are really thinking. Can anyone else relate?

Yes! I USUALLY resist engaging. I am hyperaware that many of these posters are fellow parents who smile in our faces and talk trash about Black people on anonymous forums.

And vice versa, of course. It’s called the civilized veneer vs. the anonymous forum. I am perfectly aware I am being called a Karen behind my back or at least in people’s heads. Now you will say I probably am a Karen even though you don’t know me. And others would say you are (insert stereotype about Black women here) even though they don’t know you.

I'm not sure what you mean by vice versa...unless you believe in reverse racism?

If you think you are being called a Karen behind your back, it's likely because you are generally an insufferable person who likes to race bait people online. You blow that dog whistle...

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if it helps pp, these types of conversations at least in my experience in dc do not happen at all when you arent around. they happen only on an anonymous message board.

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there are posters who insist that nothing less than complete dcps middle school honors tracking will do for larlo and i agree that those particular posters seem vested in justifying their decision to go charter at all costs. BUT the knee jerk reaction to the other side is equally wrong and the truth is often in the middle. dcps could do a much better job at offering more advanced educational offerings/programming for the more advanced/gifted children and at retaining umc families of all races beyond elementary school.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a Black middle class parent, I cringe when I read DCUM posts about race and schools. I have never had any conversations with my white friends about these matters but I imagine they happen, just not when I’m around. It then makes it awkward when I’m in a group and wonder what they are really thinking. Can anyone else relate?

Yes! I USUALLY resist engaging. I am hyperaware that many of these posters are fellow parents who smile in our faces and talk trash about Black people on anonymous forums.

And vice versa, of course. It’s called the civilized veneer vs. the anonymous forum. I am perfectly aware I am being called a Karen behind my back or at least in people’s heads. Now you will say I probably am a Karen even though you don’t know me. And others would say you are (insert stereotype about Black women here) even though they don’t know you.

I'm not sure what you mean by vice versa...unless you believe in reverse racism?

If you think you are being called a Karen behind your back, it's likely because you are generally an insufferable person who likes to race bait people online. You blow that dog whistle...

No, I am not a racist or blowing a dog whistle but not surprised you would say that on this anonymous forum. Case rested.

The point is that people say things behind other people’s backs and not to their faces. Wow. Surprise.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. As a Black middle class parent, I cringe when I read DCUM posts about race and schools. I have never had any conversations with my white friends about these matters but I imagine they happen, just not when I’m around. It then makes it awkward when I’m in a group and wonder what they are really thinking. Can anyone else relate?

Yes! I USUALLY resist engaging. I am hyperaware that many of these posters are fellow parents who smile in our faces and talk trash about Black people on anonymous forums.

And vice versa, of course. It’s called the civilized veneer vs. the anonymous forum. I am perfectly aware I am being called a Karen behind my back or at least in people’s heads. Now you will say I probably am a Karen even though you don’t know me. And others would say you are (insert stereotype about Black women here) even though they don’t know you.

I'm not sure what you mean by vice versa...unless you believe in reverse racism?

If you think you are being called a Karen behind your back, it's likely because you are generally an insufferable person who likes to race bait people online. You blow that dog whistle...

No, I am not a racist or blowing a dog whistle but not surprised you would say that on this anonymous forum. Case rested.

The point is that people say things behind other people’s backs and not to their faces. Wow. Surprise.

I really hope you are part of this white flight! lmao