4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way I want boys and girls combined in elementary school for FLE.

There is no good reason to combine them. Each group gets the same information. It is way too sensitive and embarrassing for the young kids otherwise.

And why is that? Think about what leads to something natural being embarrassing. It doesn’t have to be.

+1. We, as parents, were raised in households where these topics were embarrassing and not discussed. Not what we wanted for our kids. We sucked it up in our house with a DS 2 years older than a DD. And adopted the “it’s biology” approach and encouraged discussion no separated by genders.. And we ended up with a high school aged boy who comforted his sister when he went to make sure she was up for school and discovered she had bled through during the night and came and told us (DH and I) that she needed some help. Who had no issues buying her pads when he ran errands if she sent him a picture of the box and picking up her BC (terrible cramps) when he gets. ADHD meds filled. And a daughter who could tell us at the dinner table she had a sucky day because of period cramps and who gave her brother first dibs at the washing machine when he appeared with a pile of sheets, in a no teasing, “you go ahead” way.

Kids take their cues from adults. If the adults are embarrassed, they will be to. If the adults treat this as biological facts and NBD, kids will too.

Put another way— do you want your daughter to marry someone who will buy pads/ tampons on the grocery list, be sympathetic when she has a period, attend OB appointments when she is pregnant? Do you want kids who have healthy sex loves and communicate with their partner when issues arise? Then raise kids that way. You can’t act like this is super secret and embarrassing until high school or college and expect a kid not to internalize it.

Sorry, but this is just plain weird.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ they should know! Girls have brothers ... eventually boyfriends ... eventually husbands. Of course they should know!!

They should know about it. I’m just not sure if they need to know about it when they are 9 in 4th grade … 6th grade, maybe.

Why? What is wrong with a 10 year old girl knowing that a normal part of physical development in a male during puberty is that he will get an erection? Please tell what the issue is? I’m genuinely curious.

For many girls this is the FIRST time they’ll learn about how their own body is changing. I teach 4th and for many girls this is the first they are hearing about how much their body will change in the next few years, menstruation, pads, tampons, etc. For some, it’s actually scary. Their parents have told them little to nothing. Let’s let them process that information without throwing in the opposite gender’s developing body as well… at least for another year.

Totally agree

+1

[Anonymous]

I’m sure the PP is joking but I wouldn’t be surprised. People are already trying to push that anyone can menstruate. I wouldn’t trust FCPS FLE except for maybe the very basic first classes.

Didn't fcps mandate tampons be put in all school bathrooms starting spring 2021 for all the menstruating boys?

I'm glad that products are available to all students.

As far as anyone knows, none of the other children in my friend's son's school know that he was born female, so he is now a menstruating boy. He has identified as male since before the family moved to Fairfax, so in FCPS and their neighborhood, he has always been known to the other children as a boy. He has chosen to use the clinic bathroom exclusively, but maybe other transgender boys have been using the boys' restrooms and would benefit from having easier access to products when needed. I know this applies to a very small percentage of students, but the percentage is irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no way I want boys and girls combined in elementary school for FLE.

There is no good reason to combine them. Each group gets the same information. It is way too sensitive and embarrassing for the young kids otherwise.

And why is that? Think about what leads to something natural being embarrassing. It doesn’t have to be.

+1. We, as parents, were raised in households where these topics were embarrassing and not discussed. Not what we wanted for our kids. We sucked it up in our house with a DS 2 years older than a DD. And adopted the “it’s biology” approach and encouraged discussion no separated by genders.. And we ended up with a high school aged boy who comforted his sister when he went to make sure she was up for school and discovered she had bled through during the night and came and told us (DH and I) that she needed some help. Who had no issues buying her pads when he ran errands if she sent him a picture of the box and picking up her BC (terrible cramps) when he gets. ADHD meds filled. And a daughter who could tell us at the dinner table she had a sucky day because of period cramps and who gave her brother first dibs at the washing machine when he appeared with a pile of sheets, in a no teasing, “you go ahead” way.

Kids take their cues from adults. If the adults are embarrassed, they will be to. If the adults treat this as biological facts and NBD, kids will too.

Put another way— do you want your daughter to marry someone who will buy pads/ tampons on the grocery list, be sympathetic when she has a period, attend OB appointments when she is pregnant? Do you want kids who have healthy sex loves and communicate with their partner when issues arise? Then raise kids that way. You can’t act like this is super secret and embarrassing until high school or college and expect a kid not to internalize it.

Sorry, but this is just plain weird.

What is weird about this? I don't see anything weird.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no way I want boys and girls combined in elementary school for FLE.

There is no good reason to combine them. Each group gets the same information. It is way too sensitive and embarrassing for the young kids otherwise.

And why is that? Think about what leads to something natural being embarrassing. It doesn’t have to be.

+1. We, as parents, were raised in households where these topics were embarrassing and not discussed. Not what we wanted for our kids. We sucked it up in our house with a DS 2 years older than a DD. And adopted the “it’s biology” approach and encouraged discussion no separated by genders.. And we ended up with a high school aged boy who comforted his sister when he went to make sure she was up for school and discovered she had bled through during the night and came and told us (DH and I) that she needed some help. Who had no issues buying her pads when he ran errands if she sent him a picture of the box and picking up her BC (terrible cramps) when he gets. ADHD meds filled. And a daughter who could tell us at the dinner table she had a sucky day because of period cramps and who gave her brother first dibs at the washing machine when he appeared with a pile of sheets, in a no teasing, “you go ahead” way.

Kids take their cues from adults. If the adults are embarrassed, they will be to. If the adults treat this as biological facts and NBD, kids will too.

Put another way— do you want your daughter to marry someone who will buy pads/ tampons on the grocery list, be sympathetic when she has a period, attend OB appointments when she is pregnant? Do you want kids who have healthy sex loves and communicate with their partner when issues arise? Then raise kids that way. You can’t act like this is super secret and embarrassing until high school or college and expect a kid not to internalize it.

Sorry, but this is just plain weird.

What is weird about this? I don't see anything weird.

Then just ignore this post. I’m sure some people think it’s weird for a brother to talk about periods with his sister and pick up her birth control. And some may not. Different strokes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I’m sure the PP is joking but I wouldn’t be surprised. People are already trying to push that anyone can menstruate. I wouldn’t trust FCPS FLE except for maybe the very basic first classes.

Didn't fcps mandate tampons be put in all school bathrooms starting spring 2021 for all the menstruating boys?

I'm glad that products are available to all students.

As far as anyone knows, none of the other children in my friend's son's school know that he was born female, so he is now a menstruating boy. He has identified as male since before the family moved to Fairfax, so in FCPS and their neighborhood, he has always been known to the other children as a boy. He has chosen to use the clinic bathroom exclusively, but maybe other transgender boys have been using the boys' restrooms and would benefit from having easier access to products when needed. I know this applies to a very small percentage of students, but the percentage is irrelevant.

He's a menstruating person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I’m sure the PP is joking but I wouldn’t be surprised. People are already trying to push that anyone can menstruate. I wouldn’t trust FCPS FLE except for maybe the very basic first classes.

Didn't fcps mandate tampons be put in all school bathrooms starting spring 2021 for all the menstruating boys?

I'm glad that products are available to all students.

As far as anyone knows, none of the other children in my friend's son's school know that he was born female, so he is now a menstruating boy. He has identified as male since before the family moved to Fairfax, so in FCPS and their neighborhood, he has always been known to the other children as a boy. He has chosen to use the clinic bathroom exclusively, but maybe other transgender boys have been using the boys' restrooms and would benefit from having easier access to products when needed. I know this applies to a very small percentage of students, but the percentage is irrelevant.

When there is a tampon shortage, it is very relevant that tampons are being wasted in boys bathrooms when girls are the ones who need it.

And there is no such thing as a menstruating boy.

Biology and anatomy are completely clear on this one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I’m sure the PP is joking but I wouldn’t be surprised. People are already trying to push that anyone can menstruate. I wouldn’t trust FCPS FLE except for maybe the very basic first classes.

Didn't fcps mandate tampons be put in all school bathrooms starting spring 2021 for all the menstruating boys?

I'm glad that products are available to all students.

As far as anyone knows, none of the other children in my friend's son's school know that he was born female, so he is now [b]a menstruating boy. He has identified as male since before the family moved to Fairfax, so in FCPS and their neighborhood, he has always been known to the other children as a boy. He has chosen to use the clinic bathroom exclusively, but maybe other transgender boys have been using the boys' restrooms and would benefit from having easier access to products when needed. I know this applies to a very small percentage of students, but the percentage is irrelevant.

You know boys don’t menstruate, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?[/quote]

Boys can still learn about girl stuff without girls being present. Just like girls can learn about boys without them being there. I remember being middle school and I would not want middle school boys sitting next to me when they talked about periods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no way I want boys and girls combined in elementary school for FLE.

There is no good reason to combine them. Each group gets the same information. It is way too sensitive and embarrassing for the young kids otherwise.

And why is that? Think about what leads to something natural being embarrassing. It doesn’t have to be.

+1. We, as parents, were raised in households where these topics were embarrassing and not discussed. Not what we wanted for our kids. We sucked it up in our house with a DS 2 years older than a DD. And adopted the “it’s biology” approach and encouraged discussion no separated by genders.. And we ended up with a high school aged boy who comforted his sister when he went to make sure she was up for school and discovered she had bled through during the night and came and told us (DH and I) that she needed some help. Who had no issues buying her pads when he ran errands if she sent him a picture of the box and picking up her BC (terrible cramps) when he gets. ADHD meds filled. And a daughter who could tell us at the dinner table she had a sucky day because of period cramps and who gave her brother first dibs at the washing machine when he appeared with a pile of sheets, in a no teasing, “you go ahead” way.

Kids take their cues from adults. If the adults are embarrassed, they will be to. If the adults treat this as biological facts and NBD, kids will too.

Put another way— do you want your daughter to marry someone who will buy pads/ tampons on the grocery list, be sympathetic when she has a period, attend OB appointments when she is pregnant? Do you want kids who have healthy sex loves and communicate with their partner when issues arise? Then raise kids that way. You can’t act like this is super secret and embarrassing until high school or college and expect a kid not to internalize it.

But this is not based on biology or clinical discussions.

This is based on the premise that there is no gender.

Fcp is taking it a step further to say that not only is there no gender, there is also no difference between the sexes.

You misunderstood PP’s post, bigot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I’m sure the PP is joking but I wouldn’t be surprised. People are already trying to push that anyone can menstruate. I wouldn’t trust FCPS FLE except for maybe the very basic first classes.

Didn't fcps mandate tampons be put in all school bathrooms starting spring 2021 for all the menstruating boys?

I'm glad that products are available to all students.

As far as anyone knows, none of the other children in my friend's son's school know that he was born female, so he is now a menstruating boy. He has identified as male since before the family moved to Fairfax, so in FCPS and their neighborhood, he has always been known to the other children as a boy. He has chosen to use the clinic bathroom exclusively, but maybe other transgender boys have been using the boys' restrooms and would benefit from having easier access to products when needed. I know this applies to a very small percentage of students, but the percentage is irrelevant.

He's a menstruating person.

sorry you can't outrun biology. He's biologically a girl.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ they should know! Girls have brothers ... eventually boyfriends ... eventually husbands. Of course they should know!!

They should know about it. I’m just not sure if they need to know about it when they are 9 in 4th grade … 6th grade, maybe.

What makes you say this is the content of Grade 4 Family Life Education?

Boys are taught this in 4th grade.

Now your daughters will be too.

Except they will also be taught that girls can have erections and boys can have periods, birth children and nurse.

And 2 + 2 = 5, right? Boys can not have periods and can not have babies. Girls can not have erectios.

Now how you want to be seen is another issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?

Boys can still learn about girl stuff without girls being present. Just like girls can learn about boys without them being there. I remember being middle school and I would not want middle school boys sitting next to me when they talked about periods.

Separating out the kids by gender just reinforces the idea that girls need to be embarrassed about menstruation.

It’s 2022. It’s ok for boys to know that girls will get their periods. It’s ok for girls to know that boys get erections.

They’re all normal bodily functions. Nothing to be embarrassed about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ they should know! Girls have brothers ... eventually boyfriends ... eventually husbands. Of course they should know!!

They should know about it. I’m just not sure if they need to know about it when they are 9 in 4th grade … 6th grade, maybe.

What makes you say this is the content of Grade 4 Family Life Education?

Boys are taught this in 4th grade.

Now your daughters will be too.

Except they will also be taught that girls can have erections and boys can have periods, birth children and nurse.

And 2 + 2 = 5, right? Boys can not have periods and can not have babies. Girls can not have erectios.

Now how you want to be seen is another issue.

Wrong thread, bigots.

Go away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?

Boys can still learn about girl stuff without girls being present. Just like girls can learn about boys without them being there. I remember being middle school and I would not want middle school boys sitting next to me when they talked about periods.

Separating out the kids by gender just reinforces the idea that girls need to be embarrassed about menstruation.

It’s 2022. It’s ok for boys to know that girls will get their periods. It’s ok for girls to know that boys get erections.

They’re all normal bodily functions. Nothing to be embarrassed about.

They’re not embarrassed because they get their cycle or erection. They’re embarrassed because they are 9-12 years old and don’t have have the maturity and experience to handle the feelings (and awkwardness) that accompany puberty…everything is embarrassing at this age. Why add to it?