Plane noise

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is shocking that no health and environment studies have been done in the Palisades. I blame the residents for always trying to shut up anyone talking about this in realistic terms.

For most people valuing their health, this is not worth the risk. Even if it’s only about the real estate buy where it’s safe — Cleveland Park etc at someone said.

Will you also provide me with the 2mil I need to buy a shack in Cleveland Park?

So they built the airport after you moved in? Must be really old.

My point was that is ridiculous to recommend people to go live in Cleveland Park. Not sure what your point is.

[Anonymous]

For the life of me I don't understand this issue. National Airport has been there for almost 80 years.

Anyone at this point buying a place in Palisades or Alexandria is buying in a known flight path.

Many people who are sensitive to airplane noise, are paying more to live elsewhere.

Yes, these people are foisting the flight patterns into areas where people had already bought that were outside of those flight patterns until the last several years.

Enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is shocking that no health and environment studies have been done in the Palisades. I blame the residents for always trying to shut up anyone talking about this in realistic terms.

For most people valuing their health, this is not worth the risk. Even if it’s only about the real estate buy where it’s safe — Cleveland Park etc at someone said.

Will you also provide me with the 2mil I need to buy a shack in Cleveland Park?

So they built the airport after you moved in? Must be really old.

My point was that is ridiculous to recommend people to go live in Cleveland Park. Not sure what your point is.

Point is if you bought in Palisades you bought into airplane noise. Now and since the airport was built. How is that hard to comprehend?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve done what PP suggested and have hard data. Roughly every 1.5 minutes, breaking 60 and often 70 dB on a workday morning in the Palisades. Absolute disaster. 6-8 planes every 10 minutes

What you can’t hear is the worst. Chronic disease in the making

Then don't buy a house in the flight path. Problem solved.

Seriously, did you not know hour house was in the DCA path when you bought it? Did you not hear the planes when you toured the house and neighborhood?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s actually interesting what happens over the next decade. Especially if we have a recession (per the Economist) and people in parallel become more aware of the link between the environment and health (chronic diseases, Alzheimer’s and other dementias, stress, cardiovascular, respiratory, diabetes, autoimmune). The toxic Spring Valley is a huge chunk of NW DC, Palisades, Kent, Foxall etc have unbearable and dangerous plane noise/pollution. If you care, and people increasingly do, it’s Cleveland/Woodley/Mass Ave Heights or EOTP?

Then don't buy a house in Palisades, Kent and "Foxall."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You’d think the market will have spoken. But it hasn’t yet. It will.
I think the issue has been the generally awful and old housing stock in DC. Watching real estate shows from LA is just like what?!

Why do you think the market will speak? The noise base been this way for years.

In fact, decades. It was worse when there were 707 and 727's flying into DCA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is shocking that no health and environment studies have been done in the Palisades. I blame the residents for always trying to shut up anyone talking about this in realistic terms.

For most people valuing their health, this is not worth the risk. Even if it’s only about the real estate buy where it’s safe — Cleveland Park etc at someone said.

Will you also provide me with the 2mil I need to buy a shack in Cleveland Park?

So they built the airport after you moved in? Must be really old.

My point was that is ridiculous to recommend people to go live in Cleveland Park. Not sure what your point is.

Point is if you bought in Palisades you bought into airplane noise. Now and since the airport was built. How is that hard to comprehend?

I just don’t understand what makes you make that point to me. I was not complaining about the noise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s always someone trying to deflect from the real issue. That people should stop buying in these areas or if they do get it for cheap because you’ll pay in chronic disease, stress etc

Classic DCUM. There are no bad polices and there's never a reason to fight to improve the status quo. It's all about people who made poor choices and their problems aren't deserving of attention.

"improving the status quo" means sloughing off airplane noise to areas where people bought houses that were not in the flight path previously. Seems kinda selfish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You’d think the market will have spoken. But it hasn’t yet. It will.
I think the issue has been the generally awful and old housing stock in DC. Watching real estate shows from LA is just like what?!

Why do you think the market will speak? The noise base been this way for years.

In fact, decades. It was worse when there were 707 and 727's flying into DCA.

It got much worse in 2015 though when they concentrated all the flights into a narrow flight path, which really screwed some areas. That got alleviated though a few years ago when a navigation point was moved making more planes fly over Arlington. As someone living almost right below the previous flight path it made a huge difference even though you still get an odd plane flying right above every now and then. Yes, the noise can still be heard but it really is not waking us up from sleep or disrupting our daily life. I work from home too and the planes do not impact me in any way. But then I am a city person and consider noise part of city life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s always someone trying to deflect from the real issue. That people should stop buying in these areas or if they do get it for cheap because you’ll pay in chronic disease, stress etc

Classic DCUM. There are no bad polices and there's never a reason to fight to improve the status quo. It's all about people who made poor choices and their problems aren't deserving of attention.

"improving the status quo" means sloughing off airplane noise to areas where people bought houses that were not in the flight path previously. Seems kinda selfish.

Not really. Dispersing the flights more would mean occasional noise for many instead of constant noise for some. Sounds more fair to me and not that disruptive toward those not affected by the noise now.

[Anonymous]

Most of DC is a no fly zone. I think transparency is a must and then families can decide.

[Anonymous]

SeaTac and LA communities have been more successful, mostly because they’ve been brutally honest about how terrible the effects are of the flight path.

[Anonymous]

In SeaTac airport has actually been relocating people. It’s fascinating and started with a noise study. People don’t get to choose and can get bought out close to the value of the homes. Very curious what’s happened since this article was written. Future here too?
https://www.aviationpros.com/home/news/10384052/port-to-buy-more-houses-coming-3rd-runway-requires-relocation-of-homeowners

[Anonymous]

It’s shocking how little the health hazards are talked about, but it’s changing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Blame Congress, they chiseled away at the plane limitations at National over the passed decades. One reason, I could never support John McCain.

Used to have a rule about planes after 10pm. Used to have a rule about lower sizes of planes. Used to have a rule that had max miles planes could fly from DC- they have inched that up over time.

Call your Congress Critter and demand the old rules.

Not going to happen. For one thing, the limitations were about building a market for IAD, not plane noise. Second, and more importantly, guess who flies out of DCA on a weekly basis and doesn’t want to have to drive to IAD or make a connection to get home?

I didn’t say it would be easy.

It's. Not. Going. To. Happen.