Consumer Product Safety Commission investigation into Pampers Dry Max

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I'm getting a big kick out of the "hose down your home with bleach" poster myself.

I don't know why I'm being called the "hose down your home with bleach" poster. I never said I clean my house with bleach. I never said I bathe in bleach. I never said I wash my clothes in bleach or boil my baby's clothing.

All I ever said was that once a week, I rinse out my washing machine with bleach. And, the few times I had to wash poopy articles, I did them separately and sanitized my machine after words. If this is OCD and over the top, then fine.

What you are really doing is shifting my words, exaggerating my comments, and trying to make me seem really extreme to justify your point. The microbiologist who studied this issue backs me up. You ARE covered in feces. If you are fine with that, why are you still arguing with me?

Yes, everyone else is exaggerating and you're the sane one.

I can't speak for everyone else, but I don't mind responding to you because I don't think you're for real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So to answer 8:26: You dunk that thing into the toilet, and swish it around until the poop comes off. YES, my 8yrold self had poo under my nails ALL THE TIME. It was HORRIBLE! I had no problem changing the boys, or baby sitting or cleaning house, but this task scarred me.

Well this is another reason, then. I'm a working mom, and cloth diapers aren't allowed at daycare. And when I am home with my kids, I want to spend my time WITH MY KIDS, not swishing poopy diapers around a toilet.


What? Good God no, I'm not swishing poopy diapers in the toilet. I have a little sprayer, I spray them off them into a laundry bag. Takes just a minute. I never have to run to the store for diapers and I never run out. (I guess, if we have to play this game, here's where I'm to required say I spend that time WITH MY KIDS.) My daycare accepted cloth diapers without blinking.

Oh nooooooo, I forgot to write "spray them off and put them into a laundry bag." Guess that means all cloth diaperers are covered in poop. Sorry, everyone. They're onto us. *shrug*

[Anonymous]

Stop fighting with the poopy posters. People that use disposable diapers (which I will point out is the thrust of this thread!) have already made up their minds on this issue.

[Anonymous]

Silly question, perhaps, but how did a thread on the problem with Pampers turn into a one-woman crusade against cloth diaper users? It couldn't be more irrelevant. You've made your point. May we return to ours?

[Anonymous]

Silly question, perhaps, but how did a thread on the problem with Pampers turn into a one-woman crusade against cloth diaper users? It couldn't be more irrelevant. You've made your point. May we return to ours?

LOL. It is crazy. I don't think it is just one poster, though. I think it is pretty gross too.

[Anonymous]

Yes, everyone else is exaggerating and you're the sane one.

I can't speak for everyone else, but I don't mind responding to you because I don't think you're for real.

I'll play along. Can you please show me where I said I bathe my children in bleach, hose down my house, boil my clothes, or bleach every load of laundry? Please show me where I wrote that, I honestly can't find it and am genuinely confused as to why I'm being accused of exhibiting anything other than normal cleanliness habits.

[Anonymous]

To 13:28 - Yes, I do dump the poop from diapers into the toilet. I don't make a huge effort to get every last bit (I'm a compromiser), but I do take the extra small amount of time to dump the solid chunks into the toilet where they belong.

And I just have to address the following quote:

Anonymous wrote:
And to the PP who asked what we do with disposable diapers with poop in them . . . yeah. You wrap them up and throw them in a diaper jeannie. Are you honestly saying it is more "natural" to have poop in the human drinking system than it is to have it out in nature? Ever hear of fertilizer??? What do you think 99.9% of all mammals do with their poop, flush it down the toilet??

This statement makes no sense. Sewer systems (where you flush all the adult poop) are designed to deal with the bacteria (and nutrients) in feces and are the best place for disposing of this material. Putting something into the sewer system is not putting it into the human drinking system. And germs are not the only reason to dispose of fecal matter properly. While you are correct that fertilizer generally comes from fecal source, that is it's own environmental issue.

[Anonymous]

these Americans brush their teeth 2x a day and they think they're clean LOL I don't know why they're so grossed out by a pooppy diaper...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Huge poop stain *on his crib sheet*, I should clarify. It wasn't on me. Though that has happened before too.

Did you boil and bleach yourself? Do you not care that you are covered in feces?

I don't mind, actually - and I also don't wash my hands after using the toilet. Seriously, germs are everywhere. Some people may find that gross, but it is a fact of life.

So you don't wash your hands after using the toilet because germs are everywhere? That is the shittiest (pardon my pun) logic I've ever heard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To 13:28 - Yes, I do dump the poop from diapers into the toilet. I don't make a huge effort to get every last bit (I'm a compromiser), but I do take the extra small amount of time to dump the solid chunks into the toilet where they belong.

And I just have to address the following quote:

Anonymous wrote:
And to the PP who asked what we do with disposable diapers with poop in them . . . yeah. You wrap them up and throw them in a diaper jeannie. Are you honestly saying it is more "natural" to have poop in the human drinking system than it is to have it out in nature? Ever hear of fertilizer??? What do you think 99.9% of all mammals do with their poop, flush it down the toilet??

This statement makes no sense. Sewer systems (where you flush all the adult poop) are designed to deal with the bacteria (and nutrients) in feces and are the best place for disposing of this material. Putting something into the sewer system is not putting it into the human drinking system. And germs are not the only reason to dispose of fecal matter properly. While you are correct that fertilizer generally comes from fecal source, that is it's own environmental issue.

All of this, plus a landfill is hardly "out in nature."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Silly question, perhaps, but how did a thread on the problem with Pampers turn into a one-woman crusade against cloth diaper users? It couldn't be more irrelevant. You've made your point. May we return to ours?

LOL. It is crazy. I don't think it is just one poster, though. I think it is pretty gross too.

I do think Bleachy is just one poster. I don't think cloth diapers are gross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Yes, everyone else is exaggerating and you're the sane one.

I can't speak for everyone else, but I don't mind responding to you because I don't think you're for real.

I'll play along. Can you please show me where I said I bathe my children in bleach, hose down my house, boil my clothes, or bleach every load of laundry? Please show me where I wrote that, I honestly can't find it and am genuinely confused as to why I'm being accused of exhibiting anything other than normal cleanliness habits.

Not the PP, but I imagine people get very defensive when a complete stranger calls them disgusting or says they, their homes, clothes, children are covered in shit. Just a thought.

[Anonymous]

Shit-covered poster here. Right on, 14:13.

About disposable diapers and poop in toilet vs. landfill--it's actually better for the poop to go through the sewer system, because it gets treated and pathogens are killed, etc. In a landfill, it just leaches into the ground and runs off. So this poster has it all wrong:

"And to the PP who asked what we do with disposable diapers with poop in them . . . yeah. You wrap them up and throw them in a diaper jeannie. Are you honestly saying it is more "natural" to have poop in the human drinking system than it is to have it out in nature? Ever hear of fertilizer??? What do you think 99.9% of all mammals do with their poop, flush it down the toilet??"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I sent a complaint to Pampers earlier today and this is what I got back:
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Thank you for contacting us regarding your experience with Pampers.

I’m very sorry you had this experience. I’m sure it was upsetting and we certainly share your concern about the irritation your baby had while wearing our diapers. We hope your baby is feeling better.

Many of us on the Pampers team are parents, and we share your deep commitment to the health and safety of babies. We want to understand any negative experiences about our products as thoroughly as we can. In order to gather additional information to better understand your experience, we ask that you reply to this email and include your full name, postal mailing address including zip code and phone number. Once we receive this information a member of our Health and Safety Team will be following up with you via postal mail. Our goal is to understand more about your unique experience, your baby, and the products you typically use on your baby. Once you receive our mailing, we would greatly appreciate a few additional minutes of your time to complete the information requested. Please hold on to the package and any remaining product for two weeks in the event our Health and Safety Team needs to retrieve them.

Again, on behalf of Pampers I want to apologize for the experience you had, but I also want to assure you Pampers with Dry Max is one of the most mom-and-baby tested diapers in our history. Before the launch of any new product, it is extensively tested to ensure we have a broad understanding of what moms will experience. In addition, we sample products regularly throughout the manufacturing process to ensure our quality standards are met at every step of production. However, at Pampers, we also know every baby is unique and a baby’s skin can be especially delicate. Therefore, we greatly appreciate your taking the time to contact us so we can continue to gather data on as many babies as possible. We are closely monitoring and reporting all comments we receive and take each comment seriously.

If interested, there is more information about Dry Max posted on Pampers.com. There is both a video from Kerri Hailey and an FAQ link. Kerri not only helped create Dry Max, she did it while her youngest was in diapers so she saw the product in action at work, and at home. To view these, click on the link below: http://www.pampers.com/en_US/Vote-Cruisers-DryMax.

In addition to our request for more information, after we receive your name and address, I’ll also separately send you Pampers coupons which can be used on Swaddlers, Cruisers, Extra Protection, or Baby Dry versions. I hope you’ll consider giving Pampers another try. Please allow 2-3 weeks for delivery.

Thanks again for writing.

Michaela Q
Pampers Team

I got the same message, word for word, from the same person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I don't understand the concern of poop in your washing machine. You're rinsing the outfit first, right? So there shouldn't be a ton of poop on the outfit at that point. And your washing machine handles stuff like this every day (think of all the other dirt, food, grime, stains on your kids clothes). It all gets washed out with the water. Look at the inside of your washing machine. Doesn't it look pretty pristine in there?

Toilets look pretty pristine, too - at least mine do. But you don't have me soaking my clothes in toilet water before I wear them, either!

Washing machines do NOT sterilize your clothes unless you somehow have it rigged up to run on boiling watter. If you aren't using bleach to kill off all the bacteria/germs from the feces, your washing machine is no cleaner than the inside of a toilet. If that is fine with you, more power to you and your poop-covered clothes.

So wait, let me get this right. If I am changing a diaper and get some poop on my hand, unless I bleach my hands and rinse them in water my hands are not sterilized? Really? Soap and warm water doesn't do the trick?